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Years behind ? The iphone 5 is more like years ahead of the competition....There's a reason why it sells so well...It's better.....and folks want the real thing not plastic copies of the real deal..

Yeah, light years ahead of competition now that it has an extra row of icons:rolleyes:
 
I agree with some of that but Apple's OS, Mac OS X has always been ahead of Windows. Must of the other companies steal off of Apple. So in that regrade I disagree but on the other hand iPhone 5 is neck and neck with S3 however, people will choose iPhone over S3 because iOS

I agree with you here as IOS is very polished. Apple's control of both hardware and operating system is a big advantage.
 
Too bad he's wrong about people using Literally :



I'm literally amazed someone would say the word was used wrong when they haven't bothered to check its definition first. ;) :D

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And some of you guys need to realise that some people choose the iPhone because they don't want to give up their investment in the Apple ecosystem. Apple did a great job at creating a locked-in system.

Yes your right. I'd switch from PC to Mac in 2003 and since then I've never bought any 3rd party type of hardware (such as a Zune, any Android phone, etc). Once you switch to Apple it's hard not to leave there ecosystem. For instance, right now I have MBP. It makes more sense to use an iPhone then any other phone. If I buy a song from my iPhone it's pushes it to my computer. If I had an Android phone that wouldn't happen unless I started using Google's music player/ Amazon ( I have no idea what music market people use if it's not iTunes)
 
That and my best friend's teenage daughter can blind text on her 3GS under her desk a school. Have you mastered that?

ROTFL.

Made my day. Never heard of such a skill.

- From another old engineer
 
I agree with some of that but Apple's OS, Mac OS X has always been ahead of Windows.

In what sense ? Full ASLR was available on Windows before OS X for one thing. We can go down the entire feature list of both OSes if you like (and that feature list numbers in the thousands). Not to mention OS X shipped in 2002 I believe while Windows' current iteration (Windows NT) shipped in 1993.

Again : it depends what you're talking about. For some things, Apple is ahead, for others it's catching up. That applies to OS X, iOS, hardware, name it.

Must of the other companies steal off of Apple.

Just for iOS :

- wallpapers
- Multi-tasking
- drop down notification center
- OTA updates
- wifi syncing
- Do not disturb
- turn by turn navigation
- 3rd party installable applications
- copy/paste

All stuff that others "didn't steal off Apple" but that Apple implemented late in the game. Don't confuse "stealing off of X" more as "giving our users a feature that is both useful and makes our device desireable".

So in that regrade I disagree but on the other hand iPhone 5 is neck and neck with S3 however, people will choose iPhone over S3 because iOS

And people will choose the S3 over the iPhone for Android. And others might do it for the screen. While some would also pick the iPhone over the S3 for the dimensions.

That has nothing to do with one device or the other being "years ahead" or "years behind", it simply means both devices are different and those differences appeal to different crowds.

Again : No one is years behind or years ahead. Everyone is different, catching up in some areas, being first in others.

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Did you see Timmy during the keynote? I think they were expecting it to be a flop.

Apple would never have gone live with it if they expected it to be a flop. At this point, the iPhone is the basket on which the company rides. It represents over 50% of their revenues. It can't flop without seriously harming Apple. This is their flagship.
 
Remember the same "genius logic" that said the 4S was the same as the 4 so it wouldn't sell? Well the 5 is more different than the 4S than the 4S was to the 4. So that should tell you something.

His entire post was ridiculous. The iPhone 5 isn't "years behind the competition." The market has matured to the point where it is mostly down to personal preference. Technologically, the iPhone 5 is in the top tier with the A6 processor (rumored to be a next generation Cortex A15) and new 32nm Qualcomm chipset. iOS is advanced, though true to Apple form they haven't messed with the UI all that much while Android has gone through several iterations (mostly to sort out the mess that was earlier versions). The display is also top notch.
 
When Tiger came out, Vista stole some the features that were on OS X (spotlight, widgets, just to name a few). Also we can go way back in the day when Windows stole GUI from Apple and also the use of the mouse
 
How different is the 5 from the 4/S besides being taller, they look simular.

It is two-toned with either black and slate, or white and silver. It is thinner, and of course it is taller. Instead of the glass on the back there is aluminum. To me it a combination of the best parts of the original iPhone and the iPhone 4 designs.
 
When Tiger came out, Vista stole some the features that were on OS X (spotlight, widgets, just to name a few). Also we can go way back in the day when Windows stole GUI from Apple and also the use of the mouse
And what did Apple steal from Xerox?
 
Nothing. Have you read their history yet?

In fact, ALL Android users around here should step forward and leave. This is an Apple forum, after all.
Actually this is a Mac forum, to bad they forgot about those.
 
When Tiger came out, Vista stole some the features that were on OS X (spotlight, widgets, just to name a few). Also we can go way back in the day when Windows stole GUI from Apple and also the use of the mouse

And what about all the features Apple stole from Windows ? Filesystem ACLs, pre-emptive multi-tasking, multi-user preferences/accounts, privilege seperation, multi-threading, asynchronous operations, distributed single sign-on, etc.. etc..

(I know... I know... none of that crap actually comes from Windows, just trying to humor the guy's positiion...).

No again, you really need to rethink how all of this works. Apple is neither ahead nor behind. They have different priorities than other players. Pretty much all of them move at the same pace on average.
 
And what did Apple steal from Xerox?

NOTHING!

Read: In 1970, under company president Charles Peter McColough, Xerox opened the Xerox PARC (Xerox Palo Alto Research Center) research facility. The facility developed many modern computing technologies such as the graphical user interface (GUI), Laser printing, WYSIWYG text editors and Ethernet. From these inventions, Xerox PARC created the Xerox Alto in 1973, a small minicomputer similar to a modern workstation or personal computer. This machine can be considered the first true Personal Computer, given its versatile combination of a cathode-ray-type screen, mouse-type pointing device, and a QWERTY-type alphanumeric keyboard. But the Alto was never commercially sold, as Xerox itself could not see the sales potential of it. It was, however, installed in Xerox's own offices, worldwide and those of the US Government and military, who could see the potential. Within these sites the individual workstations were connected together by Xerox's own unique LAN, The Ethernet. Data was sent around this system of heavy, yellow, low loss coaxial cable using the packet data system. In addition, PARC also developed one of the earliest internetworking protocol suites, the PARC Universal Packet.

In 1979, Steve Jobs made a deal with Xerox's venture capital division: He would let them invest $1 million in exchange for a look at the technology they were working on. Jobs and the others saw the commercial potential of the WIMP (Window, Icon, Menu, and Pointing device) system and redirected development of the Apple Lisa to incorporate these technologies. Jobs is quoted as saying, "They just had no idea what they had." In 1980, Jobs invited several key PARC researchers to join his company so that they could fully develop and implement their ideas.

The Xerox Alto workstation was developed at Xerox PARC In 1981 Xerox released a system similar to the Alto, the Xerox 8010 Star. It was the first commercial system to incorporate technologies that have subsequently become commonplace in personal computers, such as a bitmapped display, window-based GUI, mouse, Ethernet networking, file servers, print servers and e-mail. The Xerox 6085 Star, despite its technological breakthroughs, did not sell well due to its high price, costing $16,000 per unit. A typical Xerox Star-based office, complete with network and printers, would have cost $100,000.

In the mid 1980s, Apple considered buying Xerox; however, a deal was never reached. Apple instead bought rights to the Alto GUI and adapted it into to a more affordable personal computer, aimed towards the business and education markets. The Apple Macintosh was released in 1984, and was the first personal computer to popularize the GUI and mouse amongst the public.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox
 
Actually this is a Mac forum, to bad they forgot about those.

No, he's right. This is an Apple forum. Anyone who dares using something made by another company should step up and leave, no matter how many product they also use from Apple.

In fact, Apple should just throw you out of their store and refuse to sell you anything if you happen to own something made by someone else, even things Apple makes no replacements for.
 
And what did Apple steal from Xerox?

Apple purchase the rights from Xerox and at the time Xerox didn't know what to do with those products. Were as Apple made these products into a household name than the other borrow it without payment. That's the difference.
 
why dont they make one 50% lighter out of CFRP and just charge 2000 bucks for it?

A CFRP shell would save at most a few grams from the shell. Besides, the high tensile strength property is not really needed for a phone.

Motorola has a CFRP phone from what I know and frankly, it does not look appealing at all.
 
ROTFL.

Made my day. Never heard of such a skill.

- From another old engineer

She texts, a lot I'm told, so practice, practice, practice. I've seen her text in a pocket of her hoodie; she tilts the iphone out just enough for a glance at the screen to see replies.

I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.

Oh, and there are others...

I'm too old to get too excited about this stuff, but a Mac Pro, that's my kind of machine. Guess I'm old school.

I'm old enough to remember borrowing an HP65 that my dad had access to at the Bureau of Reclamation; I was in high school. Seems to me that they had an HP 9810 as well.

He remembered the civil engineering company that he worked for early in his career having a computer to calculate road curves; the size of a small refrigerator and a full time operator.

Now all that and more in 112 g.

Nice.
 
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