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I think the conspiracy theories are funny. Talk about a rush to o
Judgement.

If Apple shorted stock, now or ever, it would have been for the PR hype, sure. However, the "blown away" comment, after mere hours, was meant as both an indicator that they really were seing a rush of sales greater than the past, and a nice PR bump on launch day.

No doubt Apple was blown away by iPhone 4 and 4S sales, too, in the sense that each did better than previous iterations. But the rush must be considerably better this time around for them to have commented on it.

Like has been said 80 times in this thread already, when the numbers come out we'll see that sales are considerably better than 4S, not just marginally better.

Until then, did you know that the sapphire lens covers were designed at Area 51?? :eek:
 
I ordered 1hr 5mins after it went live and mines due 2nd October lol

Wtf how does it go from 21st sept all the way to2oct in matter of minutes is beyond me..

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Bottom line. Do not beleive what is on the screen. No this is not a conspiracy. This is just a ton of people submitting orders in systems that cannot accurately reflect shipping estimates.

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I think you've missed the entire conversation and jumped to some incorrect conclusions over what we were talking about.

But what you are saying sounds like a plausible explanation regarding why shipping times seem to be so dynamic....aka jacked. :p

No.. I followed your conversation and know you were not directly posting to my comments.
 
Maybe, maybe not. People pretty much believe what they want to believe. I have an ex sister in-law who surfs the web all day and posts conspiracy theories to Facebook non-stop. She believes Obama and Romney are part of the same Bilderberg group and are only puppets giving the people a false choice. You are a lot like her, in that she believes she is one step ahead of the con. The world is run by a machiavellian master mind who is one step ahead of most everyone but her. You seem smart and from what I've read, you do a lot of research on the web. I guess to an extent it is wise to be cynical, but then who can you really trust? Where does cynicism end, and paranoia begin? I don't know. You may be right. The only way to prove it would be for Phil Schiller to come out and say: "Yeah it's all a big con". Until then i'm agnostic. :)

I'm sorry, but I don't quite believe in the hocus pocus conspiracy theories like "no man ever walked on the moon" or "Bush engineered 9/11" or any Micheal Moore movie ever made.

Nor do I believe in some great military industrial complex running the show from the shadows and using puppet leaders to push its agenda forward giving the people the illusion of democracy.

But I also don't believe Apple didn't see this coming and don't manufacture these situations to their advantage, issuing self promoting PR to maintain artificial and infinit growth. Remember kids, it's not about making profit anymore, hasn't been for quite a while. It's about showing growth year after year. If you're not growing, no matter how profitable you are, you aren't being successful in today's economy.

Which is sad.
 
No doubt Apple was blown away by [...] 4S sales, too,

Of course they were, they even issued a press release saying it last year too :

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...llion-iphone-4s-pre-orders-in-first-24-hours/
“We are blown away with the incredible customer response to iPhone 4S,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing.

(I know I know, I must stop quoting that, but you gotta admit it's damn funny to re-use old marketing material 2 years in row to describe the same situation... makes it feel staged).
 
I'm sorry, but I don't quite believe in the hocus pocus conspiracy theories like "no man ever walked on the moon" or "Bush engineered 9/11" or any Micheal Moore movie ever made.

Nor do I believe in some great military industrial complex running the show from the shadows and using puppet leaders to push its agenda forward giving the people the illusion of democracy.

But I also don't believe Apple didn't see this coming and don't manufacture these situations to their advantage, issuing self promoting PR to maintain artificial and infinit growth. Remember kids, it's not about making profit anymore, hasn't been for quite a while. It's about showing growth year after year. If you're not growing, no matter how profitable you are, you aren't being successful in today's economy.

Which is sad.

You've gone over the edge. Seriously over the edge.

Google FedEx shipping and Apple. There's a huge surge coming and they are preparing for it. And it isn't just Apple.

It would be easy to argue that whatever inventory that has been built up is on its way to distribution, including pre-orders. It doesn't make any sense for Apple to hold back any current or future production from either pre-orders or retailers.

Apple generated the buzz on launch day, and it is especially huge within the existing iPhone owing population. From here on in, its just production, production, production and that is exactly what both the customer and Wall Street are expecting.
 
Ordered my black 32GB a few minutes after midnight. I was actually up and on the couch with my GF, so it was no big deal to go to Apple.com and see if I could get through. I was kind of reluctant to order since I usually wait to see if there are any kinks in the first batch. But the GF was like, "You do realize it's gonna sell out right? And you'll be waiting in line a month later. " Well she was right. I got through no problem. No delays placing my order. Delivery this Friday. Looking forward to it!

I had an iPhone 4 for over 2 years now so this will be a huge upgrade for me. I realize that most buyers will be coming from a 2 year old phone, most probably the iPhone 4 like me. So I think it's worth noting some of the differences between the two...

My favorite iPhone 5 improvements over iPhone 4:
- LTE
- Larger screen
- Higher quality screen
- 18% thinner
- 20% lighter
- Higher resolution rear camera
- Better low light rear camera performance
- higher resolution front camera
- 3-4x faster
- Siri
- Redesigned headphones
- Better speakers
- Better audio
- Longer battery life
- 3D maps
- AirPlay mirroring, and in full 16:9 widescreen.

Impressive when you put them in list form:)
 
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Happy most of you will have your phones!

Me on the other hand I have to wait another month, here's my story:

Every year (12 months) I am eligible to upgrade at the discounted price ($299 for 32GB etc) However last year, Apple released the iPhone 4S in October, this year last week.

So I'm not eligible yet as it seems. But being that I pay over (the secret price you can find on Google) on my primary line and my account has always been in good standing I know I'll be able to upgrade in October. Just seems so far away.

Anyone else in my same boat?

ATT does not do this anymore
 
You've gone over the edge. Seriously over the edge.

Google FedEx shipping and Apple. There's a huge surge coming and they are preparing for it. And it isn't just Apple.

It would be easy to argue that whatever inventory that has been built up is on its way to distribution, including pre-orders. It doesn't make any sense for Apple to hold back any current or future production from either pre-orders or retailers.

Apple generated the buzz on launch day, and it is especially huge within the existing iPhone owing population. From here on in, its just production, production, production and that is exactly what both the customer and Wall Street are expecting.

You do realise that you control the inventory by the ordering system. So you just have to set x amount to arrive on the 21st even if you have 10 times more in stock. All apple has said that it sold out of that x amount, big deal they set that amount.

Think about it, all sold out in one hour to meet launch and 2 days into preorders apple.com is at 2-3 weeks....hmmm if they were really going that fast given all the extra counties compared to the 4 launch, we would be around 4-6 weeks
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i wasn't nit-picking specs so much, as simply point out his claim that the SG3 already had every single feature that the iPhone did.

i just removed it and said never mind because it WAS pointless before you even quoted me though, lol

Enjoy whichever one u have.
 
Eeryone keeps posting the same thing. I guess I will too pre ordered mine 12:05 mine ships on the sep 21.
Btw can't stop reading this topic. Lol
 
Yet apple will have the top four selling smartphones this year. That Samsung needs 60 phones go outsell four iPhone models is not really worth bragging.

I disagree; it shows that four models of phones-or Apple's model in particular-is not quite the way to maximize sales, though it is a way to maximize profits. It is what it is. I mean, why is comparing total sales not fair? And how is it bragging to bring up the fact Apple's dominant place as a vendor is now gone? It is a fact. Its a fact you don't like. Apple might easily outsell Samsung too with this new phone. Then is it somehow bragging to say Apple will then be the dominant smartphone vendor? No, as its a fact.

Apple is a company like any other company to me. It produces some stuff I like, some stuff I don't like, it does some things I view as good, and many things I do as bad. If you really are a fan of a company, a message board isn't a place to lodge the fact you treat them like a sports team. Put your money where your mouth is and buy stock in the company, so you can profit off the success of it. I can't see why people in general support a company like this-and rich people getting richer-without wanting a piece of the pie. I'm more interested in lower margins, lower costs, and better value for consumers than higher margins, fewer product lines, and worse value.

Notice I haven't bashed Apple as being expensive either compared to other companies. They aren't. I mean, a Galaxy SIII with 16 gigs of storage, 1 gig of ram still retails for $600, a whopping $50 below the iPhone 5 at similar spec. You exchange a high density big screen for alumium and glass-I don't think the premium is too significant, and the SIII has dropped in price due to the iPhone 5 (A good thing for consumers) anyway-it would be comparable if not for the media hype (When both products plateau, neither will be really cheaper...so Apple isn't expensive, no...).
 
People are just stupid, as nobody realizes the facts:

1. Steve is gone and so it isn't the same for the Iphone anymore
Its no Steve Iphone.
2. The style was perfect, with the 4s, 4 - now its really ugly, just compare.
( I really understand why Steve didn't want to change it )

I love Apple products, but the Iphone 5 is an ugly joke.

Wake up brainwashed folks!

If someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they are 'brainwashed'. It just means they disagree with you.
 
I forgot to mention that what makes the iPhone 5 such an insane no-brainer for me is that my AT&T plan stays exactly the same, including my grandfathered $30 'unlimited' plan, which now gets bumped to 5GB/month before throttling. So factoring in that I can sell my mint condition iPhone 4 for at least the price of my iPhone 5, I'd be insane not to upgrade. Since I'm already paying for the AT&T mobile/data plan (at 2007 prices) I'm basically getting the iPhone 5 for free.

Of course I understand the subsidized carrier model. But nevertheless I feel the iPhone 5 is a great deal because Apple products hold their value so well. I actually haven't 'payed' for a phone sInce 2007. And I've owned the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, and now iPhone 5. It pays to buy quality I suppose.
 
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I forgot to mention that what makes the iPhone 5 such an insane no-brainer for me is that my AT&T plan stays exactly the same, including my grandfathered $30 'unlimited' plan, which now gets bumped to 5GB/month before throttling. So factoring in that I can sell my mint condition iPhone 4 for at least the price of my iPhone 5, I'd be insane not to upgrade. Since I'm already paying for the AT&T mobile/data plan (at 2007 prices) I'm basically getting the iPhone 5 for free.

Of course I understand the subsidized carrier model. But nevertheless I feel the iPhone 5 is a great deal because Apple products hold their value so well. I actually haven't 'payed' for a phone s

you pay 30$ monthly for unlimited (5gb) text and voice? wow thats awesome
 
Looks like whoever said the whole "2 weeks shipping market strategy to increase opening day preorders" was right. This isn't my email, but at least it gives me hope, as I only got my order in around 5:00est

AppleInsider_iPhone5preorder_shipdate.jpg


http://modmyi.com/content/8788-lucky-iphone-5-customers-see-improved-arrival-dates.html
 
But I also don't believe Apple didn't see this coming and don't manufacture these situations to their advantage, issuing self promoting PR to maintain artificial and infinit growth.

Of course Apple anticipates a large initial demand, and yes, they're always going to milk this for free publicity. Wouldn't any company? But to say they 'manufacture these situations' and to call demand 'artificial' is to give them too much credit. They can't control every facet of supply and demand. Initial demand is huge because educated consumers want new technology when it first comes out. Conversely, if a new model is due out within a few months they will wait. That's the nature of consumer demand. Now Apple is in charge of the supply part of the equation, that is true, but what would you have them do—setup the capability of manufacturing a million phones a day to meet initial demand with no delays? And then what? Have all those factories go out of business a month later as demand naturally slows?

There are logistical realities here much bigger than the Apple Store queues on launch day. Even if Apple wanted to get an iPhone into the hands of everyone on day one, it's simply not possible.
 
My favorite iPhone 5 improvements over iPhone 4:
- LTE
- Larger screen
- Higher quality screen
- 18% thinner
- 20% lighter
- Higher resolution rear camera
- Better low light rear camera performance
- higher resolution front camera
- 3-4x faster
- Siri
- Redesigned headphones
- Better speakers
- Better audio
- Longer battery life
- 3D maps
- AirPlay mirroring, and in full 16:9 widescreen.

Impressive when you put them in list form:)

14 times faster is more accurate. And compared to my iPhone 3GS, at least 28 times faster, and the list is even longer. This is why I’m going to buy one :)

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you pay 30$ monthly for unlimited (5gb) text and voice? wow thats awesome

I believe this is $30 solely for the data, otherwise it makes no sense. We’re in North America after all. We’re being stolen like no other continent on Earth.
 
Samsung are the market leader and the Koreans are selling more units than Apple. Just get over it.

Also, in case you haven't noticed it, Apple did not publish any numbers. Were they "blown away" because they sold 100000 phones or were it a million phones? Shallow marketing bla bla just fails to impress me.

Market leadership by copying and stealing and selling plastic shitt and advertising about how Apple is crap is cheap, lame and disgusting. When Apple does however publish numbers, you'll be eating your words. Come to me for some ketchup then, they'll taste better, okay? Off you go.
 
To Apple's credit, they're also launching simultaneously in a lot of countries (or very close to simultaneously). This would make it even harder for them to maintain a steady level of production over the device's commercial life. So, my American friends… when your order slips to 4 weeks, just remember that our friends in Estonia, Liechtenstein and Slovenia are also ordering their iPhones now. You, dear American consumer, may not have the latest, greatest gadget on day one, but doesn't it warm your cockles to know that a kid in Slovakia is getting his iPhone on the 28th? :)
 
to call demand 'artificial' is to give them too much credit.

I didn't call demand artificial, I said they needed to maintain growth, a growth which I feel is artificial. They are presently growing because of the transition from Feature phone to smartphone. When this emerging segment becomes mature, the growth will go with it, they won't be able to maintain it, no matter what marketing trickery they use.

They managed to keep growth in the Mac market by coming out of a niche and expending into the mass market with Macs. But notice how low their growth numbers are there. The market is mature and there is just isn't much room to grow.

Basically, once they're done milking the smartphone segment birth, they are going to have to find another way to "grow". That is what I meant. The growth model our economy is based is just that broken right now (this isn't Apple's fault, it's how we've built our economies). There never should have been a need for constant growth as long as entities remain profitable. Inflation is a side effect of all of this.
 
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My favorite iPhone 5 improvements over iPhone 4:
- LTE
- Larger screen
- Higher quality screen
- 18% thinner
- 20% lighter
- Higher resolution rear camera
- Better low light rear camera performance
- higher resolution front camera
- 3-4x faster
- Siri
- Redesigned headphones
- Better speakers
- Better audio
- Longer battery life
- 3D maps
- AirPlay mirroring, and in full 16:9 widescreen.

Impressive when you put them in list form:)

Shhhhhh....quoting and listing facts will only prove the point how much changed between the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5....but don't tell that out there to all the unimpressed techies and tech sites that said nothing really changed.

The only thing that is going to make those people happy is when Apple completely changes the form factor to a circle.
 
Ordered my black 32GB a few minutes after midnight. I was actually up and on the couch with my GF, so it was no big deal to go to Apple.com and see if I could get through. I was kind of reluctant to order since I usually wait to see if there are any kinks in the first batch. But the GF was like, "You do realize it's gonna sell out right? And you'll be waiting in line a month later. " Well she was right. I got through no problem. No delays placing my order. Delivery this Friday. Looking forward to it!

I had an iPhone 4 for over 2 years now so this will be a huge upgrade for me. I realize that most buyers will be coming from a 2 year old phone, most probably the iPhone 4 like me. So I think it's worth noting some of the differences between the two...

My favorite iPhone 5 improvements over iPhone 4:
- LTE
- Larger screen
- Higher quality screen
- 18% thinner
- 20% lighter
- Higher resolution rear camera
- Better low light rear camera performance
- higher resolution front camera
- 3-4x faster
- Siri
- Redesigned headphones
- Better speakers
- Better audio
- Longer battery life
- 3D maps
- AirPlay mirroring, and in full 16:9 widescreen.

Impressive when you put them in list form:)

Looks like it could have been a iPhone 4S+

Nothing revolutionary - the same functionality slightly improved - and already overtaken on some android phones - so in my book nothing huge.
 
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