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I didn't call demand artificial, I said they needed to maintain growth, a growth which I feel is artificial. They are presently growing because of the transition from Feature phone to smartphone. When this emerging segment becomes mature, the growth will go with it, they won't be able to maintain it, no matter what marketing trickery they use.

They managed to keep growth in the Mac market by coming out of a niche and expending into the mass market with Macs. But notice how low their growth numbers are there. The market is mature and there is just isn't much room to grow.

Hang on… growth of the smartphone industry is inevitable right, as consumers see the benefits and switch? So Apple coming into the market at this period of time, and snatching consumers as they made the switch (even accelerating the switch, due to a very solid product and successful marketing), was simply good business. I'm not sure I understand how that is any different to any other company trying to gain marketshare? Sure, growth in this area can't be sustained forever, but how is that different to any other product? Sorry if I'm missing something in what you're saying.

Basically, once they're done milking the smartphone segment birth, they are going to have to find another way to "grow". That is what I meant. The growth model our economy is based is just that broken right now (this isn't Apple's fault, it's how we've built our economies). There never should have been a need for constant growth as long as entities remain profitable. Inflation is a side effect of all of this.

I think they're still imagining a huge growth in iPad sales. For a long time Apple hoped the Mac would slowly claw back Windows' 90% PC market share, and it was showing some signs of doing that, but at the current rate it would take forever. New strategy—convince a large chunk of consumers they don't actually need a PC and all its complexity! Convince them an iPad is more fun, easier to use, the way of the future, etc, etc… and go right for the jugular of the PC market. So far I'd say they've done pretty well with that strategy, and I'll bet it is still a growth market just as Apple believes.

But onto your point that growth is essential for Apple… Could you briefly explain this? I'm no expert in economics, so I don't understand this. Why could Apple not still be majorly successful if they stopped growing? Is it to do with share prices?

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Any chance of the black brushed aluminum arriving on future Mac products? I love the look!

I think you mean anodised aluminium. May the words 'brushed metal' never again be used to describe any of Apple's products.
 
I waited for 45 minutes at my local AT&T store to preorder my phone. They had a check in counter with the list of names next up on the television. I've never seen the place so packed.

I went with the 64GB. Pretty excited. All of my iPhones have been the base model. Moving up in the world.
 
I want this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome!! Ill take one with the iBoard.

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Think I'll be using my Galaxy S3 for a little longer. I love the iPhone, and apple products in general, but think i'll wait a couple months until I can read the reviews and then stroll into a store and by one. Been using android for a couple months and enjoy it ok I guess. Wasnt until I rooted the phone that I actually got a smooth experience. This is what I miss about the iPhone....Beautifully smooth. * excited for those of you waiting for one! :D
 
Looks like it could have been a iPhone 4S+

Nothing revolutionary - the same functionality slightly improved - and already overtaken on some android phones - so in my book nothing huge.

What else do you expect it to do, wash your dishes?
 
Isn't Apple on record for being "blown away" by every iPhone launch? This is a cliche that needs to be retired.
 
Are all of you folks braindead? Why would a ******** different
docking connector make that iPhone 5 superior over the 4 or 4s?

I can't seem any major innovation anywhere here.
It 's like when Samsung updated the S2 to S3.
No real improvements, just a small design change
and a making it a tad bit bigger.

Sorry but this smells like rotten fish from all over.
"Oh there might be bad publicity lets make a marketing lie to counter that".
I hate that kinda fooling of masses, and I know what I'm talking about
because I work in that business called advertising and marketing.

Apple is becoming like Motorola, Samsung, Google and the like.
 
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But onto your point that growth is essential for Apple… Could you briefly explain this? I'm no expert in economics, so I don't understand this. Why could Apple not still be majorly successful if they stopped growing? Is it to do with share prices?

I agree with most of your other points. I am not an expert in economic theory either, but allow me inject a little Marx in this mix. Under capitalism, it's the nature of any business to expand. They don't simply place the profits in an interest bearing bank account, they reinvest it into new markets and new products. If they don't, sooner or later, other companies will be competing with them in existing and new markets. It's the nature of the beast. Apple is capitalism at its best ( not the I completely agree with this economic model). ;)
 
I don't think Apple believes that, or they would do just that, and save a lot on development costs. This may be why Apple is "blown away", they don't buy into the hype so many people here seem to think exists.

The hype does exist. I don't that it can be denied. And I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. I read this forum daily and also other tech forums and sites and there is a lot of hype where Apple is concerned, more than there is for any other company on earth. The public and the media fuels it. Why else would anyone wait in line for hours/days and stay up all night to buy a product that isn't much different than what is already being sold. Without the hype, people would just walk into a store and buy one. There wouldn't be a shark like feeding frenzy worrying that you might not your phone the day it went on sale. Quite irrational, IMHO.
 
Isn't Apple on record for being "blown away" by every iPhone launch? This is a cliche that needs to be retired.

It is more than justified if sales/speed of sales exceeds that of the previous generation. I think we can assume this... based on the fact that it sold out in under an hour (vs 22 hours last year).
 
You know why people would buy anything Apple, sight unseen? Because of their track record at producing quality products that work well. If everything you bought from company XYZ blew you away, you would come to expect that the next XYZ product would do the same. It's pretty simple really.

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Exactly, and I will never again buy a Samsung product because every one of the several expensive products I've purchased from them have been crap and developed problems almost immediately.
 
Sprint iPhone

Talk to Sprint it is set to arrive between the 19th and 21st! This is the confirmation they sent me
Status: Thank you for pre-ordering the 32G iPhone 5. You are one step closer to getting your phone. Keep an eye out for a shipping email with your tracking information. Your device will arrive on or around September 21. For questions, visit sprint.com/preorder.
 
I think they're still imagining a huge growth in iPad sales. For a long time Apple hoped the Mac would slowly claw back Windows' 90% PC market share, and it was showing some signs of doing that, but at the current rate it would take forever. New strategy—convince a large chunk of consumers they don't actually need a PC and all its complexity! Convince them an iPad is more fun, easier to use, the way of the future, etc, etc… and go right for the jugular of the PC market. So far I'd say they've done pretty well with that strategy, and I'll bet it is still a growth market just as Apple believes.

But onto your point that growth is essential for Apple… Could you briefly explain this? I'm no expert in economics, so I don't understand this. Why could Apple not still be majorly successful if they stopped growing? Is it to do with share prices?

It's to do with expectations in the current capitalist economic movement. I don't really know how to explain it to you... well... here's the best example :

http://www.rim.com/investors/documents/pdf/pressrelease/2012/Q1_press_release.pdf

Notice that RIM as of June 2011 was profitable. Net income for that quarter was 696 million, revenue was down from the January-March quarter, but still up Year to Year (the same April June quarter but for 2010).

So the company itself wasn't doing bad. It was making more money than it was spending, it had a small growth year-to-year even though it slid quarter to quarter (which can be normal depending on consumer patterns and the time of the year) but look at page 2 :

Cost Optimization Program:
The company also announced that it will begin a program to streamline operations across the organization,
which will include a headcount reduction. This realignment will be focused on taking out redundancies
and a reallocation of resources to allow us to focus on the areas that offer the highest growth opportunities
and align with RIM strategic objectives, such as accelerating new product introductions.

And that sir is modern economics. Since that press release and those earnings, the media has been edging their bets as to when RIM will go under. Yes, from a quarter where the company showed growth and profits, the media started calling their death because their growth was just not enough, in fact, their "market share" receded if you compare Q2 2010 and Q2 2011 :

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1764714
Research In Motion
Q2 2011 units : 12,652.3
Q2 2011 market share : 3.0
Q2 2010 units : 11,628.8
Q2 2010 market share : 3.2

Yep, you're reading that right. The market outgrew them. They sold more phones, but the rate at which they "grew" was less than the competition. That is what led to the conclusion that RIM was "dying". A sad commentary about the realities of our capitalistic economic model.
 
Oh, bull. If this is true, then Apple marketing is totally inept at sales forecasting.

This is an intentional marketing ploy, intended to build the buzz and get more media space about how great the iPhone5 is. It's all geared toward making people salivate over this phone and instilling a sense of urgency in them to go buy it. Marketing 101, people.

This nonsense from Apple about underestimating initial demand for products is REAL tiresome.

This is Marketing 303, not 101.

Either way I wish they would use THIS marketing on the R-Type MBP!! It really needs it, the Air earned its marketing straight up really ... but the R-Type needs that push.

I fear as long as the 15" R-Type MBP exists, and R-Type 13" MBP will not, I actually see the 13" MBP being phased out in 1 more iteration; sadly.
 
I ordered 1hr 5mins after it went live and mines due 2nd October lol

Wtf how does it go from 21st sept all the way to2oct in matter of minutes is beyond me..

Ey?

I have the same question frankly... and I ordered exactly at the same time - 1:05 after live... and why there's a 12 day gap between orders that got the 21st date and the 'second batch' I don't know. I haven't seen anyone with delivery dates quoted in between the 21st and Oct 2nd... just seems strange
 
I have the same question frankly... and I ordered exactly at the same time - 1:05 after live... and why there's a 12 day gap between orders that got the 21st date and the 'second batch' I don't know. I haven't seen anyone with delivery dates quoted in between the 21st and Oct 2nd... just seems strange

The initial batch must've been very small. If you look at the sales between 4am EST and 10am EST, they all have Oct 5th ship dates. That's 6 hours of preorders all with the sane ship date. I find it hard to believe there was such a huge spike in the first hour of preorders and then a huge taper off in demand. No, I don't think so. The first batch must've been exquisitely small, with the 2nd batch being huge in comparison.
 
Apple is the largest market cap company in the world with obscene cash reserves because of selling real products, not pretending to sell them.

I agree that Apple sells great products, but the marketing is important, and they do a good job of that too.
 
There were reports of issues with the Sharp displays. Who knows. But all these conspiracy nuts that think Apple would hold back stock instead of booking as many sales on the first day that they could are absolute idiots and clearly know nothing about sales.

Funny enough a few articles stating that these pundits are NOT idiots by the likes of Reuters and Bloomberg not too many months ago. Shorten the supply increase centre focus on demand more than it is.

Personally I couldn't care less and I didn't think I'd upgrade yet I most definitely will! LTE, new WB-AMR codec, Dual-band WLAN, 4" stretched screen (this will take some getting used to; have to try it in person). I'd like to see the unit sales numbers of JUST the iPhone 5 at the end of this quarter compared to ALL other quarters.

The REAL issue is that Apple does NOT like this kind of transparity ... they'll lop ALL iPhone sales numbers together: remaining 3GS sales, IP4, IP4S, and iP5 numbers (contract/retail) per region or globally.
 
Ordered my black 32GB a few minutes after midnight. I was actually up and on the couch with my GF, so it was no big deal to go to Apple.com and see if I could get through. I was kind of reluctant to order since I usually wait to see if there are any kinks in the first batch. But the GF was like, "You do realize it's gonna sell out right? And you'll be waiting in line a month later. " Well she was right. I got through no problem. No delays placing my order. Delivery this Friday. Looking forward to it!

I had an iPhone 4 for over 2 years now so this will be a huge upgrade for me. I realize that most buyers will be coming from a 2 year old phone, most probably the iPhone 4 like me. So I think it's worth noting some of the differences between the two...

My favorite iPhone 5 improvements over iPhone 4:
- LTE
- Larger screen
- Higher quality screen
- 18% thinner
- 20% lighter
- Higher resolution rear camera
- Better low light rear camera performance
- higher resolution front camera
- 3-4x faster
- Siri
- Redesigned headphones
- Better speakers
- Better audio
- Longer battery life
- 3D maps
- AirPlay mirroring, and in full 16:9 widescreen.

Impressive when you put them in list form:)

You must of missed the memo. There were only one or two minor updates and it is a very boring phone. You should be switching to an HTC One.

Back to reality. I like that doubling processor speed is now considered a minor upgrade.
 
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