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The retina MacBooks are the wrong darn resolution. The 15" is effectively 1440x900 and the 13" is 1280x800. How is that innovation? The 15" needed to be at least 3360x2100 (1680x1050) and the 13" needed to be at least 2880x1800 (1440x900). I found all the retina MacBooks to be useless because, ironically, in retina mode there's not enough damn real estate to work with!

My retina MacBook is the best computer I've ever owned. The people who nitpick them are people who don't own one.

You can adjust the resolution..."Best for Retina" is default but you can get a lot more screen real estate if you choose.
 
Part of it is because Apple's mystique is gone.

People used to wait in line to see what Apple is doing next. and they used to do so rapidly. mind you, were not talking revolutionary products...but 'think different' products that are CLEARLY better.
2005 boom. comes the new ipod (nano...wayy better than ANY other mp3 players)
2006 Boom. comes the new macbook (intel wayyy faster than the previous gen)
2007 Boom. comes the new OS X (Leopard was wayyyy better than windows xp or vista)
2007 boom. comes the new iphone (wayyy better than any phones out there)
2008 Boom. comes the 'brick' notebooks (unibody....the gold standard in notebooks)
2008 Boom. made the app store the best online app platform out there.
2010 Boom. comes the new iPhone 4 (best build quality out of anything mass produced. ever)

That was 2010. it is now 2013. I can't think of anything to that level of excitement in Apple's line up since then. the retina macbooks are close. but then again, it's not far and away better than anything else out there. it's not a 'must-have'a in the dwindling market of sub-$1000 computers and most non-apple/non-creative content aren't even made for the retina display.
The iPhone 5 is pretty much the iPhone 4.2.. the jump from the ipod mini to the ipod nano was miles more 'impressive'...
The iPad mini is basically a peer pressure product - a bandaid stopgap.
The Apple TV is great....as a hobby.. no movements there since 2010... a pity really.

..in contrast everything i listed above from the old Apple, although some may not be 'revolutionary', are all clearly BETTER.
and based on the rumors, nothing's coming!




The Galaxy S4 has 8 processors. 4 small ones to keep battery life up during non intensive tasks, and 4 big ones to power demanding tasks. When was the last time you saw apple do THAT level of cutting edge innovation? Say what you want about quality, they may lack in execution but Samsung is not short of their own ideas. Have you ever used a Galaxy S3 or the S4? That thing is HEAVY with exclusive features.
What you said is valid during the time of old Apple - 2009-2010...but now? If anything, Apple is now copying Samsung and Android![/QUOTE]

And thats why S4 sales are poor and samsung is loosing money making the darn things because customers didn't think thats innovative for them to buy it except for the geeks. Read my other comment. Innovation is when customers want to buy your product and not be forced into buying a useless crap.
 
the problem with Apple is that they always wanted to release a product and make a fortune with it as long as possible

but nowadays, customers are no longer willing to purchase the same stuff during a long period of time

apple has now the pressure to keep up with new and better technologies arriving every year

just having a minor speed bump of the processor every 9 month is not just enough now


I agree. Apple blew everyone out of the water in 2007 with the iphone. They could happily set the price they wanted and it would sell. Now we have a situation where the cost of the iphone is one of, if not the, highest of smartphones, but what your get for your money has not increased. Apple has kept its margins and done the minimum to keep the sales going and the board and tech bloggers happy for another year. Even if we get this 5C iphone, and its cheaper to own, it will be full of old tech so Apple can keep its margins. The smartphone world has moved since 2007, which i will happily agree Apple made, but i have felt for a while Apple has not be ahead of the crowd, just keeping up.
 
This is the end, my friend.

Trying to innovate sounds futile. You're either innovative or you're not. Apple is too big now.
 
Part of it is because Apple's mystique is gone.

People used to wait in line to see what Apple is doing next. and they used to do so rapidly. mind you, were not talking revolutionary products...but 'think different' products that are CLEARLY better.
2005 boom. comes the new ipod (nano...wayy better than ANY other mp3 players)
2006 Boom. comes the new macbook (intel wayyy faster than the previous gen)
2007 Boom. comes the new OS X (Leopard was wayyyy better than windows xp or vista)
2007 boom. comes the new iphone (wayyy better than any phones out there)
2008 Boom. comes the 'brick' notebooks (unibody....the gold standard in notebooks)
2008 Boom. made the app store the best online app platform out there.
2010 Boom. comes the new iPhone 4 (best build quality out of anything mass produced. ever)

That was 2010. it is now 2013. I can't think of anything to that level of excitement in Apple's line up since then. the retina macbooks are close. but then again, it's not far and away better than anything else out there. it's not a 'must-have'a in the dwindling market of sub-$1000 computers and most non-apple/non-creative content aren't even made for the retina display.
The iPhone 5 is pretty much the iPhone 4.2.. the jump from the ipod mini to the ipod nano was miles more 'impressive'... OS X Mavericks.... why do I want to upgrade again? iOS 7 = iOS 6 reskinned and the way it should've been, 1 year ago.
The iPad mini is basically a peer pressure product - a bandaid stopgap.
The Apple TV is great....as a hobby.. no movements there since 2010... a pity really.

..in contrast everything i listed above from the old Apple, although some may not be 'revolutionary', are all clearly BETTER.
and based on the rumors, nothing's coming!




The Galaxy S4 has 8 processors. 4 small ones to keep battery life up during non intensive tasks, and 4 big ones to power demanding tasks. When was the last time you saw apple do THAT level of cutting edge innovation? Say what you want about quality, they may lack in execution but Samsung is not short of their own ideas. Have you ever used a Galaxy S3 or the S4? That thing is HEAVY with exclusive features.
What you said is valid during the time of old Apple - 2009-2010...but now? If anything, Apple is now copying Samsung and Android![/QUOTE]

Putting more processors into a device is not innovation. That's going to get copied or surpassed in a short amount of time. Innovation in my book has to be something more than that.
 
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I do not get it.

Personally I have been saying that Apple is going down, iOS7 is horrible and the New Mac Pro has no innovation, it is just a design.

Tim Cook is not a creative person, he is management.

Since Steve died many things are not going well, pictures of every iPhone are leaking every day. Remember when the iPhones were a secret?

there are only changes in sizes in things that does not matter. Who cares if the iMac is thinner? Actually it lacks from an optical drive now.

Apple was no innovative, Steve Jobs was! And the problem with Apple is not lack of innovation, the problem is that is looking weak!

I said before but many people came against the things I was saying. Apple is a shy individual today, it is a company who wave is running out and is going to start flying on the air before going down.

What scares me AND MARK MY WORDS is for Apple to come with some out of the blue product half way done. Uff, that would be horrible. Like when FCP X came out but worse.
 
What other tech companies are revolutionizing the world with their products?

Well that's the thing. Apple is very much a boom and bust company. They definitely have made their success creating markets, but they're not the best at maintaining market success. They've gone from 100% marketshare back down to around 30% in just about every market they create.

With other tech companies, they may not create a market, but they definitely move in and dominate it. Without innovation, and Apple has been unreal at doing it lately every three years, Apple has a theoretical peak. Their business model is fascinating, but not everyone is sold on it's long term viability.

I'm not saying Apple will never innovate again, I just think investors are concerned, as is Apple, that the well is temporarily dry. That's what analysts have been concerned about with Apple for years
 
Innovative is a stupid word to be flinging about, it seems to mean something different to everyone, to some it's a bigger screen to others its a whole new product category.

Even in the last 15 years Apple have never been about being first with a product, they've been about refinement, getting it right and seeing what others are doing wrong. like the iPod and iPad, Apple seen the poor Mp3 players and tablets and seen how to do it right. If people don't get that then they will never get Apple, they refine, improve and create the best experience they can and once every few years make a huge jump that gets labelled innovative.

This cacophony screaming for innovation is from the same ignoramuses who think they're brilliant because they point out Steve Jobs didn't invent these things. They don't get Apple, they didn't get Jobs and they'll never get Apple, ever.

company's listening to wall street launch NPD every other day and listen to what experts say people want, this nonsense leads to mutant products like the Galaxy s4 zoom that nobody with any sense or taste will want.

The best products we use, that are part of our lives are the ones that are refined and polished over time, How much essentially has a car changed from the Model T, but it's got where it has by small refinements year after year, in efficiency, in comfort and in safety. When we try to jump too far ahead to quench an appetite for innovation we get sinclair C5s.

Apple will continue to do well if they keep polishing, keep refining and keep being aware of what will cannibalise their own markets and acting first. This is what they have done for the past 15 years and it's what they continue to do.

The main thing Apple's been about is disruption. With the iPod and iPhone they leveraged digital distribution to disrupt the MP3 Player and smartphone markets as well as the music and gaming industries. With the iPad they disrupted the netbook and PC markets to blow up the tablet market. With each market expansion they not only caused disruption, but also became market leader, causing AAPL to trend like a growth stock.

They haven't done that in awhile which would be fine except Cook hasn't shown any signs he knows how to do this. Meanwhile their margins are dropping and the company now thinks creating a computer that looks like a trashcan = disruption
 
Innovation has it's Price

the "i" in innovation is the problem! There are now legions of people walking around blindly staring at their palm and missing life in the general social sense. On-line socialization is simply 2-dimensional send and receive without the spiritual dimension of true contact.

These same people have perhaps 3-5 devices all of them with batteries - think about what that means in terms of our environment ... the goal is for everyone to have a smartphone - think about what that means.

Like space travel which I am a proponent of ... the reality is we need to focus on propulsion, shields and remedies to the effects of weightlessness before venturing further.

Innovation needs to focus on power - eliminating the battery or drastically improving the size to capacity ratio ... therein lies innovation as well as improving our environment.

Frankly, in terms of myself - innovation means learning to live off the grid - freeing myself from the next upgrade or obsolescence.
 
Charlie Gasparino used to work for CNBC, covering pharmaceuticals. He had a habit of making big claims using "sources close to the company". I won't be surprised if his story is completely made up.
 
I see robotics at the same juncture as mobile was just before the innovation of the iphone. All of the pieces of technology exist to make it real, but they are spread all over. None of the technology of the iphone was profound or even new. The innovation was the consolidation. The glossy interface on top made it sexy. The iphone fully realized the potential of all of the technologies combined. Robotics is at the same place, and a consolidation of these technologies will yield an entirely new consumer market and invent an industry. Everybody wants an Apple robot, but they don't know it yet.
 
I have the perfect innovative product in mind. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you otherwise you'll copy it from me. :p
 
And thats why S4 sales are poor and samsung is loosing money making the darn things because customers didn't think thats innovative for them to buy it except for the geeks. Read my other comment. Innovation is when customers want to buy your product and not be forced into buying a useless crap.

Putting more processors into a device is not innovation. That's going to get copied or surpassed in a short amount of time. Innovation in my book has to be something more than that.

Samsung galaxy sales > Apple iphone sales.

Well if even that is not innovation then Apple is truly screwed.
I understand that specs aren't innovation. But being able to put 8 cores in a phone when Apple could only put 2, is BIG feat.
Sure, it may not be effective as Android is not optimized. But when was the last time Apple did THAT big a job? They've been coasting!
 
2001 - iPod
2007 - iPhone
2010 - iPad

I'd say Apple is doing just fine innovating. :apple:

And really, you can argue iPhone and iPad sprung from the same research, leaving it down to two major events. But I might add the 1998 iMac, even though it wasn't quite as massively successful as the iPod/iPhone/iPad, it was a groundbreaking product in its own right, pioneering untraditional shell materials (translucent colored plastics), untraditional form factor (not just a flat box), ushering in the death of the floppy drive (which also helped USB and network connectivity become standard), convective venting for quiet operation, built in handle, and in later revisions, built-in WiFi and slot-loading optical drive.
 
Samsung sales > Apple sales.

Well if even that is not innovation then Apple is truly screwed.
I understand that specs aren't innovation. But being able to put 8 cores in a phone when Apple could only put 2, is BIG feat.
Sure, it may not be effective as Android is not optimized. But when was the last time Apple did THAT big a job? They've been coasting!

Thats because of S3's and not S4's. S4 is a flop!
 
People must really be forgetting the past 12 years of Apple's product pipeline. In 2001, the first iPod was released. Then in 2007, the first iPhone was released. That is SIX YEARS in between Apple's breakthrough innovating products. Then the iPad was released in 2010. That is THREE YEARS since Apple's last breakthrough innovating product. Steve Jobs died in Fall of 2011. Tim Cook has been CEO for TWO YEARS. Do you see what i'm saying? Whether run by Cook or Jobs, Apple's biggest game changing products didn't remarkably appear out of thin air. They were formed by years of development, engineering and design. I believe Tim Cook can come out with some innovating stuff. But give the man some time! I'm sure all those executives at Apple are working around the clock on things like the iWatch and possibly an iTelevision. People seem to forget that Tim Cook was NOT put in charge of Apple by its board, but by Steve Jobs. I'm sure Steve put a ton of time and thought into who he would leave his company to. Steve has made very few mistakes in his career at Apple (when he returned in 1997), and I doubt he would make a mistake as to who would be the right person to run Apple after he's gone. Stay hungry, stay foolish, and change the world :apple:


This is true.


But for us to sit here we can say "their not innovating", as we don't know whats coming out in the near future. If this is true and its has come from the board, then as someone else mentioned, they will be aware of whats coming along in the next year or so. So that would say apple doesn't have anything big/exciting/innovative coming along anytime soon. iPhone 5s? Slightly bigger camera, slightly faster CPU? 5C with cheaper old parts inside? None of that is innovation im afraid.
 
The Galaxy S4 has 8 processors. 4 small ones to keep battery life up during non intensive tasks, and 4 big ones to power demanding tasks. When was the last time you saw apple do THAT level of cutting edge innovation? Say what you want about quality, they may lack in execution but Samsung is not short of their own ideas. Have you ever used a Galaxy S3 or the S4? That thing is HEAVY with exclusive features.
What you said is valid during the time of old Apple - 2009-2010...but now? If anything, Apple is now copying Samsung and Android!

Yeah the s4 has great battery life. ...when the screen is off...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/2

And it still lags. Innovative.
 
Another area which will impact Apple's sales potentially is this Christmas, we have the new Playstation 4 and Xbox One launching in November, the first new consoles from them for about 7 years, and millions are going to want those instead of an iPad.
Plus many like me will no doubt upgrade their televisions for these new consoles, because they like me had a 720P set and gaming will be standard 1080P. With no Apple TV this again could have been a potential market.

If they actually had an Apple TV out then I think the new consoles could have helped sell them? Potentially.
 
Face it, Apple will never be the same without Steve. Plus, Tim Cook is basically a boring logistics guy. No new products in months. So, yeah big scoop Fox news. Everyone knows Apple has lost its mojo and momo.

Sad but true. And they whole heartedly deserve the bad press. Apple needs a new CEO, plain and simple.The question is, what the heck are they doing with all that cash if they aren't making massive new projects happen, fail or not?
 
Siri is last year bro, and from the technologies you mentioned, I would say none are innovations. And what you don't see is that the iPhone is one of the last smartphone releases of the year, I would hope that all these phones are better. But for some reason the IP5 is still compared and on par with them. I'm not saying its the best phone out there, but, it is for a lot of people IMO:D

siri came out with the iphone 4s, which was released in october 2011.


and i agree they are perhaps not *revolutionary* innovations, but at least they add a flavour to the product.

its something to brag about, if you get my meaning.

the iphone 5 and iOS 7 now will bring 0 (zero) innovative feature. revolutionary or not.
 
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