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I only buy phones with touch ID. Sticking with SE until they pull their heads out their behinds. And fix SIRI while you're at it. I just watched some youtube on Jobs and I have to believe he would be pissed at this point.

Yes, Steve Jobs who was against a large screen iPhone would certainly be pissed to see his company become the premier consumer electronics company probably in the history of the planet, far outstripping arch nemesis Microsoft.
I'm sure he'd be just as greatly pissed that iPhones all don't have Touch ID because we know that nobody wants Face ID.
Just wow...
 
I have a bad feeling about this. With the iPhone 12 being the super cycle and most keeping older models longer; this does not look good for sales for basically an ‘s’ year. It’s likely to be like 2018 with the XR and XS having to be significantly discounted to drive sales. Apple should be cautious not to create a glut.

where I live, every hand I look at is an iPhone 12. People are still buying it now; was at the Apple store this week and people were buying iPhone 12’s. Don’t get me wrong, the iPhone 13 will do well, I just hope Apple doesn’t over produce and look at sales from a realistic upgrade cycle.

2022 is where the push should be, since that’s the year the remaining hold outs on a XS or X and 11 series will think about upgrading.
I fully agree

the only way would be integrating Touch ID in the power button (and modify the cover accordingly) otherwise it would be a slow year (5G already available and no major redesign)
 
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That’s about it I think phones now are just not exciting anymore and used to upgrade once every two years.

I just upgraded my iPad which I have had for 8 years. And even that’s not that exciting anymore. Upgrades to me now are all about running things smoothly now and the iPhone X does just that.
But what about the shareholders? Don’t you feel any compassion at all?
 
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Should love a Touch ID on the side button. With mask wearing for covid still a thing for a while, I’m not getting much use of Face ID when I’m out and can’t use it to pay for things. Back to typing in my pin.
 
No in-display Touch ID
Apple had a choice: in-display touch ID, which would cost them money.
Or Apple watch unlock for mask wearers, which means they sell another Apple watch.
Guess which one they chose?
 
Why? So far even if all the rumors are true the 13 is going to be a huge nothing burger in terms of upgrades.
 
Is smaller notch really a big upgrade? Do people really care for it? I never understood people going crazy about the notch.
Don't think it's a big upgrade, but the notch sucks. If you watch any content on an iphone (and there are many valid reasons why) then the notch... sucks.

I have accepted it, but doesn't mean I like it or they can't make it better. Making it smaller is a step in the right direction though.
 
I still have my iPhone X (as another mentioned) I don't see a lot of gain in buying this. I probably will purely as I will pass my X to a family member.

The notch is smaller - but not enough to make me want to upgrade.
Quicker - will I really notice it day to day?
Better camera - *yawn*
MagSafe - not bad - saves me waking up in the morning finding my phone was a millimetre out of alignment on my Qi charger and a near empty battery - even tho the phone said it was charging.
120mhz screen - actually.. I want that!

I don't need/want touch ID as I have an AW, so my iPhone unlocks just fine and I can pay with my AW.

What would make me pay right now for one is no notch and USB-C. In fact, just USB-C would do. Why? So it has the same cable as my iPad Pro and MBP. Inexcusable of Apple to stubbornly stick with Lightning.
 
Apple had a choice: in-display touch ID, which would cost them money.
Or Apple watch unlock for mask wearers, which means they sell another Apple watch.
Guess which one they chose?

In the last quarter Apple reported about 50 billion in iPhone revenue, about 55% of its 90 billion in total revenue. The Wearables, Hearables, Home and accessories sector reported about 8 billion in revenue. If watches are half of that sector, they were 4 billion or roughly about 4.5% of revenue.
The Apple business plan places iPhone at the heart and is the prime device of the Apple eco. As such the IPhone is the astronomically biggest revenue generator by far for not only its massive sales but it’s segue to the eco that also generates very significant billions.
It all starts with users everywhere purchasing an iPhone(and that number of satisfied users is growing, did you know that?).

So your contention is that a single feature enhancement that, ahem, you believe would be popular, so it would logically translate to increased IPhone sales, increasing the eco users which increase watch sales, app sales, hearable sales etc etc — you believe Apple cast all that aside in favor of a deviously sinister plan to increase watch revenue by two or three hundred million in revenue?

On a completely different subject, I got to see the 80s movie Caddyshack last night. I love this line from the movie:

Danny: I planned to go to business school after I graduated, but it looks like my folks won’t have enough money to put me through college.
Judge Smails: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
 
Don't think it's a big upgrade, but the notch sucks. If you watch any content on an iphone (and there are many valid reasons why) then the notch... sucks.

I have accepted it, but doesn't mean I like it or they can't make it better. Making it smaller is a step in the right direction though.

You can still watch any content in a perfectly rectangular box if you like. Scaling anything to fill up the screen to the max is an option. Even on a 12 mini that rectangular box is still better than that of 8 and SE 2020.
 
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But what about the shareholders? Don’t you feel any compassion at all?

Great news! There’s no need to worry about shareholders and the many millions of people with 401ks — though your concern is appreciated.
Apple just opened its morning trading session with a 2+ point gap up. This put its price at an All Time High of 147.62 only 10 minutes ago.

edit: it has officially broken the 148 mark.
 
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Waiting for 2022 personally but looking forward to seeing what Apple come up with.

im waiting for 2022 too though that’ll likely(?) be to buy IP13 Pro for purchase mid summer. I prefer the summer after Sept iPhone release to find a discount 😀
 
I personally think upgrading every other year is the best practice... if you feel compelled to do it at all. Technology is so good today, there really is no need to change every year... most upgrades are incremental at best. I only upgraded my 8 plus to the 11 pro max because the photo quality was noticeably better, and got the 12 to upgrade because AT&T was basically selling it for 70% discount. So I gave my wife my 11 Pro Max to upgrade her 8 Plus.. I think we are both good for a couple of years, maybe when the 14 or 15 comes out I'd consider if the technology upgrade supported enough improvement. Under screen touch ID may be compelling if Apple actually brings it back and it works as advertised.
 
I'll upgrade from my iPhone 12 once the regular iPhone gets pro motion, hopefully next year, apple is so greedy, there is not a single flagship out there this year that doesn't have at least a 90 hz screen; I hate that android phones have skins and the updates are a mess, otherwise I wouldn't be supporting apple with my money, I guess we all choose our poison.
 
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I personally think upgrading every other year is the best practice... if you feel compelled to do it at all. Technology is so good today, there really is no need to change every year... most upgrades are incremental at best. I only upgraded my 8 plus to the 11 pro max because the photo quality was noticeably better, and got the 12 to upgrade because AT&T was basically selling it for 70% discount. So I gave my wife my 11 Pro Max to upgrade her 8 Plus.. I think we are both good for a couple of years, maybe when the 14 or 15 comes out I'd consider if the technology upgrade supported enough improvement. Under screen touch ID may be compelling if Apple actually brings it back and it works as advertised.

I’m with ya though I’m every three year upgrade myself. My refresh cycle starts 7 months after the product launch to get a discount plus what I can get for the old phone.
I could get more years out of it but they start showing their age in little differing ways.
 
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