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the only person i know with a Mac, found it after it was lost at his place of work and never claimed. it's a macbook from 2007 or so.

everyone i know won't buy it due to the cost. in 2011 no one wants to spend more than a few hundred $$$ on a computer unless they are building a gaming PC

We're only 13 days into the new year, you already know how much people want to spend on a computer for this year? Proof? Don't take this too personally but I don't think you get out much. I just went tried out a new coffee house near a college campus and in the lounge the place was full of Macbooks. In fact there at least 20 Macbooks and I may have seen one PC notebook and one netbook. College students are generally "starving" so, for so many of them to have a Mac somebody is spending the money on them.
Most places I frequent are dominated by Macbooks, not cheap PC's.
 
We're only 13 days into the new year, you already know how much people want to spend on a computer for this year? Proof? Don't take this too personally but I don't think you get out much. I just went tried out a new coffee house near a college campus and in the lounge the place was full of Macbooks. In fact there at least 20 Macbooks and I may have seen one PC notebook and one netbook. College students are generally "starving" so for so many of them to have a Mac somebody is spending the money on them.
Most places I frequent are dominated by Macbooks, not cheap PC's.
I'm in a Mac dead zone around here. I haven't seen one in a coffee shop for ages now. I did manage to see my first iPad in the wild though.
 
1 out of 10 computers are now using OSX.

I wonder how many of those are used in an office/corporate environment though?

I wish my company would finally acknowledge Apple as a contender and give me OSX equivalents to their internal apps. :( Tired of flopping in and out of a windows virtual machine.
 
I'm in a Mac dead zone around here. I haven't seen one in a coffee shop for ages now. I did manage to see my first iPad in the wild though.

Well I don't doubt that there are Mac dead zones however times have changed and not everybody wants to buy a cheap PC, especially when college curriculum doesn't require the use of a PC as it did in the past.
 
Well I don't doubt that there are Mac dead zones however times have changed and not everybody wants to buy a cheap PC, especially when college curriculum doesn't require the use of a PC as it did in the past.
You don't need a computer at all to go to college. That's cheaper.

The starving are going to Windows or nothing at all.
 
I'm in a Mac dead zone around here. I haven't seen one in a coffee shop for ages now. I did manage to see my first iPad in the wild though.

crazy. go to a coffee shop around here and you see nothing but macbooks. Same was true in NY (just returned from there).
 
Wonder what those #'s would look like if the iPad was included in Apple's count as a computer. I've been using it for heavy business purposes since it came out as my primary computer, especially since I was able to get multitasking as a dev months earlier. It really is a computer! Apple would definitely be in third place...at a min.

Yup. iPad is kicking some serious behinds in that price range.
 
We're only 13 days into the new year, you already know how much people want to spend on a computer for this year? Proof? Don't take this too personally but I don't think you get out much. I just went tried out a new coffee house near a college campus and in the lounge the place was full of Macbooks. In fact there at least 20 Macbooks and I may have seen one PC notebook and one netbook. College students are generally "starving" so, for so many of them to have a Mac somebody is spending the money on them.
Most places I frequent are dominated by Macbooks, not cheap PC's.

and how many of the college kids bought their own MBP for almost $2000 compared to a graduation present from their parents? most of the starbucks i visit in NYC where people who have jobs chill out, i see Wintel laptops.

it's like Nike shoes and other fashion with kids. they don't have jobs but there is a social caste system and they all want mommy and daddy to spend a lot of money on stuff that doesn't cost that much to make but looks cool

lets see how many of those kids buy Macbooks once they graduate and have to pay their own bills including student loans
 
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crazy. go to a coffee shop around here and you see nothing but macbooks. Same was true in NY (just returned from there).

was that in starbucks or where the NYU kids hang out in a non-corporate coffee shop like Irving Farm?
 
Wonder what those #'s would look like if the iPad was included in Apple's count as a computer. I've been using it for heavy business purposes since it came out as my primary computer, especially since I was able to get multitasking as a dev months earlier. It really is a computer! Apple would definitely be in third place...at a min.

Well, look at the numbers for Acer. I think that is the company that was hit hardest by the drop in netbook sales, which is to a large extent due to the iPad. I think the introduction of the iPad has cost Apple a tiny fraction of MacBook sales (I myself needed to decide last year whether I should buy a MacBook or an iPad, and went for the MacBook - could have gone the other way). But it has cost others huge numbers of netbook sales, and Acer was probably hit worst. Add a million netbooks to Acer's sales, do the numbers again, and you see that Apple is already up because of the iPad.


and how many of the college kids bought their own MBP for almost $2000 compared to a graduation present from their parents? most of the starbucks i visit in NYC where people who have jobs chill out, i see Wintel laptops.

You can get a MacBook or MacBook Air for $999.
 
lets see how many of those kids buy Macbooks once they graduate and have to pay their own bills including student loans
I've never had a student loan. Then again I worked 30-40 hour weeks during college. Buying a new Mac every year and with minimal education expenses was so easy to pull off.
 
1 out of 10 computers are now using OSX.

I wonder how many of those are used in an office/corporate environment though?

I wish my company would finally acknowledge Apple as a contender and give me OSX equivalents to their internal apps. :( Tired of flopping in and out of a windows virtual machine.

Probably very few but the business market will be changing considerably over the next decade anyway. We're coming up to a Windows XP -> 7 roll out in my educational institute and I wouldn't be at ALL surprised if it was the last major OS update we do with local installs on beefy desktop PC's. Office apps are transitioning to the cloud (and, by extension, should be easy to install and maintain in a dedicated server setup within an enterprise's back end), bespoke apps are transitioning to internal web sites and specalist software is getting increasingly rare and can usually be run in a virtual machine. Looking... oh, let's say five years down the road from now I can see the several hundred WinTel machines (at £700 a pop) being replaced by solid-state thin clients running a really good web browser and the equivalent of a citrix client, lightweight local apps if there's a good reason to use them and a few heavyweight PC's for creating experiments, big-time number crunching etc. What's currently holding it all back is bandwidth, the tech is available now to do this sort of thing, but as organisations refresh their infastructure this is going to be a natural direction to go.

Edit - It's the same with consumer devices too btw (for those saying 'what will students buy when they graduate?'), the game is changing and Apple are leading that change. The iPad is, in a version 1 kinda way, a glimpse into the future. Most people simply don't NEED the power of a modern laptop and, frankly, modern laptops rarely make good use of that power anyway. Kids going into a four year course this year are likely to graduate into a world of consumer-computing where devices regularly cost £500 or less, are built from the ground up to be lightweight, fast and simple systems and where some (maybe most, depends how quickly mobile broadband really rolls out) of your data is streamed from the cloud. Forget the form factor for a moment, that's more-or-less irrelevant, and just focus on the level of hardware you need to run iOS / Android / Whatever and what that hardware is likely to be able to do five years from now.

Oh, and as one final parting thought, consider this: An iPhone that acts as your personal computer. On the go it's, well, an iPhone. Get home, throw it to a screen via AirPlay and it automatically launches a tablet interface on that screen and either provides an on-screen keyboard / trackpad or links to wireless peripherals. Always-on, constant sync to iTunes in the cloud to backup your data, trivial to share and manage content. If you have another device, say an iPad for use on the sofa, it has the same account, the same data, the same save points in apps so you exit an app on your iPhone and when you resume on the iPad it picks up where you left off. None of that is beyond possibility in the next few years, we're really only lacking the mobile broadband part of the chain.
 
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and how many of the college kids bought their own MBP for almost $2000 compared to a graduation present from their parents? most of the starbucks i visit in NYC where people who have jobs chill out, i see Wintel laptops.

it's like Nike shoes and other fashion with kids. they don't have jobs but there is a social caste system and they all want mommy and daddy to spend a lot of money on stuff that doesn't cost that much to make but looks cool

lets see how many of those kids buy Macbooks once they graduate and have to pay their own bills including student loans

Uh, not sure where in NYC you hang out because most of my family lives in New York City and that's all they talk about is how many Macbooks they see. Also if you re-read my post I did say "somebody" is buying the college students' their Macbooks. Does it really matter who buys them as long as they're using one? I was countering your point about people not spending much on computers in 2011.

First you didn't address that and secondly you just contradicted yourself when you said the students got Macs as gifts, that means people are spending the money.
Times have changed, just accept it, people want better and they will spend the money for it which is the point of the discussion as Apple's market share is growing. And it's comical that you even mentioned $2000, there are lot of college students will throw that many down the drain on multiple keg parties.
 
Probably very few but the business market will be changing considerably over the next decade anyway. We're coming up to a Windows XP -> 7 roll out in my educational institute and I wouldn't be at ALL surprised if it was the last major OS update we do with local installs on beefy desktop PC's. Office apps are transitioning to the cloud (and, by extension, should be easy to install and maintain in a dedicated server setup within an enterprise's back end), bespoke apps are transitioning to internal web sites and specalist software is getting increasingly rare and can usually be run in a virtual machine. Looking... oh, let's say five years down the road from now I can see the several hundred WinTel machines (at £700 a pop) being replaced by solid-state thin clients running a really good web browser and the equivalent of a citrix client, lightweight local apps if there's a good reason to use them and a few heavyweight PC's for creating experiments, big-time number crunching etc. What's currently holding it all back is bandwidth, the tech is available now to do this sort of thing, but as organisations refresh their infastructure this is going to be a natural direction to go.
Apple isn't going to touch terminal services. (Fast User Switching hacks aside.) Otherwise in higher education, I've already encountered and deployed thin clients with a Sun backend and Windows Terminal Services. They're not really that much cheaper than a fat tower upfront but the maintenance costs are extremely low.

The majority of troubleshooting is just killing a hung session.
 
PC's give the users much more choice and customization.

for one the high end enthusiasts will most likely go for a PC unless they love MAC and the people looking for cheaper solutions will also opt for PC's.

thats my take on it
 
1 out of 10 computers are now using OSX.
No, one out of ten computers sold today run OS X. If OS X started outselling Windows 2:1 it would still take years for OS X to have more than 50% overall marketshare.

I wonder how many of those are used in an office/corporate environment though?
Next to none. And that's not because of cost, any IT department worth their salt would be able to see the long term displaces a higher initial cost. It's about software. You can take a Mac to an IT department and say "hey this will make us far more productive, it doesn't crash as much and will save money in the long term", but at the end of the day they can't run any of their software on it. Game over.

I wish my company would finally acknowledge Apple as a contender and give me OSX equivalents to their internal apps. :( Tired of flopping in and out of a windows virtual machine.
See above.
 
Well, look at the numbers for Acer. I think that is the company that was hit hardest by the drop in netbook sales, which is to a large extent due to the iPad. I think the introduction of the iPad has cost Apple a tiny fraction of MacBook sales (I myself needed to decide last year whether I should buy a MacBook or an iPad, and went for the MacBook - could have gone the other way). But it has cost others huge numbers of netbook sales, and Acer was probably hit worst. Add a million netbooks to Acer's sales, do the numbers again, and you see that Apple is already up because of the iPad.




You can get a MacBook or MacBook Air for $999.

i was in costco the other day looking at laptops. and checked some of the new sandy bridge ones this week. i wouldn't buy one of the new i7's for $899 that just came out and will wait for an i5 version.

i just need something to be used once a week that has a lot of hard drive space to hold photos, videos and my itunes library to sync with 3 iphones and probably an ipad later this year. shouldn't cost more than $500 to $700 for something with a 15" screen. and i'm not buying into the SSD hype or blu ray on laptops or anything like that. like most people.

i'd buy a 13"MBP since my wife bugged me about it, but it doesn't have enough hard drive space. need at least 500GB.

a computer is not that important anymore. and i used to be into computers back in the 1990's when Dell's margins were like Apple's today and used to build my own.

the cool stuff now is iphones, ipods, ipads, PS3, x-box, android phones and other limited use devices
 
I see more macs about than iPads, infact im the only person i know who owns an iPad. Maybe iPad users use them at home more than anywhere else. :confused:

I love the clean look of Apples equipment. No silly stickers on a $1000 machine and the design is top notch. Prices are quite high but i know im getting a quality piece of equipment. Plus iLife is an ace bit of software too. That being said however i am a massive fan of WP7. I prefer it to android ;)
 
I wonder if it will ever go above 15%? Well Lion help? Macbook Air for $499? iMacs with i7 CPUs for $999? More commercials? Steve Jobs as a cyborg? Daily Apple Media events on every TV channel in the home?

Given how much money they make out of this small market share - do they really need to care if it is 5%, 10% or 15% ? Would they really make so much more money with an $499 MacAir? They can think about lowering the price when less people buy it, but no reason for it right now. With small market share (and tons of profit) they don't need to worry about being accused of abusing the monopol or anything and still stuff lots of money in the piggy bank.
 
Strange paradox: If you look at the numbers, and assume that Apple and Toshiba increase their unit sales next year by the same amount as this year, Apple will overtake Toshiba. If you assume that both will increase their market share by the same amount as this year, Apple will _not_ overtake Toshiba.
 
No, one out of ten computers sold today in the US run OS X. If OS X started outselling Windows 2:1 it would still take years for OS X to have more than 50% overall marketshare.

Fixed that for you. :)

Apple doesn't need to dominate the marketplace, it's doing just fine concentrating on the mid to high end consumer market. To seriously dent the Windows marketshare they would need to get a lot of sales from the lower end and business customers and I don't think Steve Jobs is really that bothered about competing there.

I see more macs about than iPads, infact im the only person i know who owns an iPad. Maybe iPad users use them at home more than anywhere else. :confused:

I still haven't seen an iPad outside of a shop and I don't know a single person who owns one. :confused:
 
I still haven't seen an iPad outside of a shop and I don't know a single person who owns one. :confused:

This is another reason i got the wifi only version. I knew i wouldn't take it outside, if im going to my mates they have wifi at their homes so its all good. If i needed to work outside id get a MBA instead :D
 
Uh, not sure where in NYC you hang out because most of my family lives in New York City and that's all they talk about is how many Macbooks they see. Also if you re-read my post I did say "somebody" is buying the college students' their Macbooks. Does it really matter who buys them as long as they're using one? I was countering your point about people not spending much on computers in 2011.

First you didn't address that and secondly you just contradicted yourself when you said the students got Macs as gifts, that means people are spending the money.
Times have changed, just accept it, people want better and they will spend the money for it which is the point of the discussion as Apple's market share is growing. And it's comical that you even mentioned $2000, there are lot of college students will throw that many down the drain on multiple keg parties.

i see a lot more macbooks than 10 years ago as well but the cost is the big issue. i have family that are all into the buy expensive quality,etc. except when it was time to buy a new laptop. i told them the differences between wintel and Mac and i ended up buying them a gift of a $299 toshiba laptop.

most people i know have idevices but will never buy a Mac. even the snobby parts of NYC most people i see have dell or some other wintel brand

i did see a Mac owner in my neighborhood last year. i was looking at moving and needed to buy a new place and the prospective seller had an iMac. part of the deal would have been to leave the iMac with the co-op. but i ended up buying 2 blocks away
 
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1 out of 10 computers are now using OSX.

I wonder how many of those are used in an office/corporate environment though?

I wish my company would finally acknowledge Apple as a contender and give me OSX equivalents to their internal apps. :( Tired of flopping in and out of a windows virtual machine.

Actually it's 1 in 10 computers SOLD that are using OSX. - but way to go Apple.

From my experience MacOS is slowly making it's way in cooperate. Most of my colleges bought over the last couple of years macs for at home (thanks to Intel Chip people figure that worst case they install Windows) - but they all loved MacOS and how much easier their life became. Now whenever one of them gets a new machine, they ask for a MacBook (with exceptions of those who have to do windows development). There was resistance from IT department at first, but after the CEO wanted one, there are getting approved more and more.
 
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