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Apple Car Autonomous Driving Scaled Down, Launch Planned for 2028
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You're talking about Vision? A system that is interrupted by rain? A system that can't tell accurate distance? No F'n way would I trust my MYP to park itself let alone drive itself. Vision is stupid system that is confused by shadows. By F'n shadows!
They should acquire BMW or Mercedes. That would take them half way there.
The amount of resources Apple has put into Apple Car must be very substantial at this point.
Still, nothing to see. Better be something really, really special, when released.
Still, nothing to see. Better be something really, really special, when released.
LMAO let me guess, you read that from Business insider which sources NYT which sources the recode interview. Oh boy.
Well if you bothered to watch the interview, he follows up that statement with that there are "dodgy situations" and qualified the statement that he wasn't talking about "complete autonomy"
I think you did some confirmation bias.
LMAO
LIDAR doesn't even work in *heavy* rain!!!!!! Gather the point cloud data from a heavy rain and you'll how noisy the data is. Completely useless.
Humans drive fine in rain with vision. If rain/fog was so bad, humans would pull over until conditions clear as stated in the DMV handbook. Follow the same rules. Simple.
LOL shadows????? That's your silver bullet argument? Give me a break. Not hard to detect shadows. Clearly you're not understanding how the system works.
Level 2? In 2028? I fully expect most major manufacturers to have level 3 capable vehicles on the road by then, which is still not news worthy. Why not push it back further? This project sounds like a cluster F…
Because Apple have been working on it for years. They've been testing self-driving software for years now and won't be simply launching to market cold in 2028. Their chassis designer designed the chassis of Panamera, and was one of the lead developers of Taycan. Apple's car will be judged not by when it launches, but by what they launch when they launch. They've acquired several car battery companies at this point and this will another interesting facet of the design. As Apple develop their car the very technology they will be using to built it will be concurrently maturing, including the charging network they will need to avail of.
Apple has hired hundreds of not thousands of car people, including the lead developer of Taycan.
Folks, Apple has asked that this not be referred to as the Apple Car. It’s Vehicular Computing.
I'm very sceptical about Self-driving cars appearing anytime soon beyond say, some major US cities.
Living in England, I have doubts about SDCs making an appearance beyond cities anytime soon.
Our country roads — especially down in the south west, with inclines, narrow lanes are often a nightmare.
These narrow hedged lanes, often with zero visibility for oncoming traffic are going to be an SDC programmers nightmare.
Oh and never mind the livestock you get wandering around.
Will the AI recognise a goat or a sheep? It seems to have issues recognising humans… so… yeah.
I want to see it decide if it wants to back up to let a tractor or combine harvester or a **** in a humungous 4x4 through.
Here's a road. Not unusual down here. They're supposedly 1 3/4 cars width… barely 1 car width mostly.
The slight widening to let someone pass are unmarked, often near invisible, and yet these are used by thousands of people every year as. Nightmare during summer holidays.
There's a reason they're only being trialed in Milton Keynes due to its long, straight roads in a block formation. The most atypical town in the UK.
The same goes for up north in the Lake District — or Scotland.
Oh and how about negotiating a Sicilian hill town? Apple Maps just goes into a tail spin right now (To be fair, so does Google Maps!).
Living in England, I have doubts about SDCs making an appearance beyond cities anytime soon.
Our country roads — especially down in the south west, with inclines, narrow lanes are often a nightmare.
These narrow hedged lanes, often with zero visibility for oncoming traffic are going to be an SDC programmers nightmare.
Oh and never mind the livestock you get wandering around.
Will the AI recognise a goat or a sheep? It seems to have issues recognising humans… so… yeah.
I want to see it decide if it wants to back up to let a tractor or combine harvester or a **** in a humungous 4x4 through.
Here's a road. Not unusual down here. They're supposedly 1 3/4 cars width… barely 1 car width mostly.
The slight widening to let someone pass are unmarked, often near invisible, and yet these are used by thousands of people every year as. Nightmare during summer holidays.
There's a reason they're only being trialed in Milton Keynes due to its long, straight roads in a block formation. The most atypical town in the UK.
The same goes for up north in the Lake District — or Scotland.
Oh and how about negotiating a Sicilian hill town? Apple Maps just goes into a tail spin right now (To be fair, so does Google Maps!).
Exactly. Safety is what makes self-driving tech different from, say, a new PS5 game, where they can release a buggy, barely-functional turd and then rain down a storm of patches for months after.
Sooo many issues that need addressing when Apple decides to bring an Apple Car. Settle for a me-too, more stylish Tesla won't do, I think we can all agree on that. Particulalry since Apple has always been about innovation that no other OEM was able to match, at least initially. iPhone best example.
The benefits of any new 'device' must be clear-cut. Remember how Steve Jobs brought iPhone? Bear in mind, in 2007 people weren’t exactly whining about their mobile phones. Personal Mobility by car does leave a lot to be desired, and for a very-very-very long time already.
The iPhone offered whole new possibilities in a sleek, cool new package.
Why not use the 'iPhone recipe' when it comes to bringing an Apple car?
Main issues/aspects IMO:
1. must have electric drive; now the lighter/sleeker the EV, the smaller the battery can be
2. the sleeker the EV, the more it lends itself to assisted driving (L4)
3. L5 full autonomy may never be a viable thing; the personal attachment to cars is in the manual operating;
L5 may well require the level of grid control and V2V that Americans tend to dislke for 'Big Brother' reasons
4. Traffic increases, transit times go up
5. Road safety went down
The benefits of any new 'device' must be clear-cut. Remember how Steve Jobs brought iPhone? Bear in mind, in 2007 people weren’t exactly whining about their mobile phones. Personal Mobility by car does leave a lot to be desired, and for a very-very-very long time already.
The iPhone offered whole new possibilities in a sleek, cool new package.
Why not use the 'iPhone recipe' when it comes to bringing an Apple car?
Main issues/aspects IMO:
1. must have electric drive; now the lighter/sleeker the EV, the smaller the battery can be
2. the sleeker the EV, the more it lends itself to assisted driving (L4)
3. L5 full autonomy may never be a viable thing; the personal attachment to cars is in the manual operating;
L5 may well require the level of grid control and V2V that Americans tend to dislke for 'Big Brother' reasons
4. Traffic increases, transit times go up
5. Road safety went down
He’s describing the real world, snarkmeister. Self driving cars are going to save lives, not cost them.
Legal responsibility will depend on the nature of the self driving tech. At some point it will become a product liability issue and the person in the driver’s seat will not be held liable.
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This depends on the jurisdiction and judicial traditions.
There is a big difference between punitive and compensatory damages. Compensatory damages—commonplace in Europe—are relatively easy to evaluate, as we talk about basic insurance mathematics. They tend to be relatively small in traffic accidents, mostly in thousands of dollars/euros. That is not a problem for a car manufacturer; accidents are not very common, and most of them will be caused by the other party.
Punitive damages are relative to the size of the business, i.e., a car manufacturer may end up paying tens of millions for a single accident. This changes the risk profile completely.
I do not know the position and views of all car manufacturers, but I know from discussions with a European one that they are ready to take the full liability, as long as it is limited to compensatory damages. The US market is different, and car manufacturers will probably do everything they can to keep the driver liable for any accidents caused by the vehicle. (And, to the extent possible, lobby regulators to clear the risk of punitive damages.)
Yes, different countries have different laws. It’s kind of useless to make concrete statements about FSD liability until legal precedents have been set, we just haven’t reached that point yet. In the end no manufacturer should claim autonomous/self-driving unless they accept all liability for accidents caused by their car while in those modes.
As someone who drives an EV now, I think 2028 is an awful long way off for a company to introduce their first vehicle. EV's have a very mixed perception amongst motorists and trust in the technology is one factor that is needed to improve over the coming years. The likes of Tesla, Polestar, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, BYD will be further accomplished in the sector by 2028 and no doubt Apple will be be coming in at the high end for price because of the strength of their brand in electronics. This doesn't necessarily mean the car buying public will trust enough to invest over accomplished and developed car brands with many more years experience.
All very interesting, but plenty of reservations for me. I certainly wouldn't want a car that is controlled by Siri which has been abysmal on other Apple devices since 2012 and voice assistants are an important part of modern EV's. I would never trust any car to drive itself either, let alone one with software that often fails to set a simple timer lol.
All very interesting, but plenty of reservations for me. I certainly wouldn't want a car that is controlled by Siri which has been abysmal on other Apple devices since 2012 and voice assistants are an important part of modern EV's. I would never trust any car to drive itself either, let alone one with software that often fails to set a simple timer lol.
They’d be much better off buying someone like Fisker or Lucid so they don’t have to deal with all the legacy vehicle support and industrial relations.