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Are you kidding me? CarPlay cuts off every scroll list at somewhere around 10 items. Doesn't matter how many scroll arrows there are, it won't go past "A" in my music library. Or SiriusXM. Or Spotify. Or Podcasts. Or Contacts. Or... or ... or ...

So how is limiting my data to the first few entries tied to me not knowing a UI? It's Apple's stupidity that's the problem, not me.

that's....that's literally the entire point. short, easily readable text at a glance. you know, the kind of thing you want when you're driving.

as opposed to tesla's poorly placed buttons and information.

LOL, nice way to completely ignore everything and still not answer the question. This has larger impacts than just being a Tesla owner as it sets precedence, but if you want to think that because I don't own a Tesla then my opinion on bringing CarPlay over to a currently closed ecosystem is useless than so be it. Clearly I'm not having an educated debate, just speaking to a petulant child.

translation: you have no idea what you're talking about. back to twitter, musk is calling his army together!
 
CarPlay sucks anyway. Call me when it can actually display more than 10 items in a list.

Otherwise it’s a gimped up mess of an interface.

Had to deal with it in a rental car a few weeks ago. Couldn’t wait to get back to my Tesla’s interface instead.

Apple had a chance at greatness here and absolutely blew it. The vast majority of people (not everyone but a big majority) of people who insist Tesla needs it haven’t driven a Tesla. Far superior interface, IMO.

And trust me, that’s from the biggest Apple fan there is.

Don't tell that to all the Apple fanboys here who has never driven a Tesla.
 
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Probably the vast majority. After using the Tesla UI, CarPlay feels childlike if that makes sense. I much prefer the clean look of the Tesla.
This was true pre Christmas 2021 update. Now that nice clean easy to use interface has childish looking android icons and things you use hidden in menus.
 
From a developers stand point, where does it end? So Tesla makes their own App store, cool I have to learn their development process and learn another SDK. Oh GM wants their own app store too, so I've gotta manage the software apps on that app store too. Then Ford follows suit, and then you're left with 20 different platforms and having to learn a multitude of development practices.

Or you can allow CarPlay and Android Auto and be done with it. Seems like the answer is pretty clear.
Except CarPlay was designed many years ago for a ~8” display with low-to-moderate resolution. The Tesla (and I’m sure other EVs) have massive high-res displays that just aren’t designed to display both navigation, music and other miscellaneous apps in a single 8” window Like CarPlay.

I don’t anticipate most small independent developers working on Tesla apps like they do for little games and utility on iOS or Android. But I do expect larger corporations like Amazon, Zoom, Google, etc., and larger independent developers to add support for their music/audio systems or navigation. We don’t need Flappy Bird for Tesla (well, most don’t, lol), but a lot of people would like Waze or Google navigation (Tesla uses Google Maps but a 3rd party for their navigation directions which sometimes isn’t as smart as Google or Apple navigation).
 
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So your proposed solution, if Tesla implemented CarPlay: You would run a third-party app (ABRP) on your iPhone, which is connected via CarPlay (and displays much smaller than the built-in nav), and then you manually input that same route into the Tesla navigation when you need to pre-condition?


So you want Waze rather than ABRP, but you will still enter the Supercharger location manually into the Tesla nav to precondition?

It sounds like a lot of extra steps, but I suppose if you really like ABRP or Waze it's worth it.
Tesla could, if they choose, open the API to allow a 3rd party navigation app to engage battery preconditioning.

But I think we’re getting outside the scope of the discussion. It’s really the fact that the CarPlay display is designed for an independent infotainment display - one that is separate from the control of the rest of the car. So many new vehicles, especially EVs, have everything integrated. Tesla is just a good example of this, but many other EVs are doing the same thing. And those that graft CarPlay into them look kinda weird.

I think if Tesla were to allow some independent 3rd party apps, it would obviate the need for CarPlay in many (but not all) situations.
 
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Except CarPlay was designed many years ago for a ~8” display with low-to-moderate resolution. The Tesla (and I’m sure other EVs) have massive high-res displays that just aren’t designed to display both navigation, music and other miscellaneous apps in an 8” window.

I don’t anticipate most small independent developers working on Tesla apps like they do for little games and utility on iOS or Android. But I do expect larger corporations like Amazon, Zoom, Google, etc., and larger independent developers to add support for their music/audio systems or navigation. We don’t need Flappy Bird for Tesla (well, most don’t, lol), but a lot of people would like Waze or Google navigation (Tesla uses Google Maps but a 3rd party for their navigation directions which sometimes isn’t as smart as Google or Apple navigation).
Agreed, which is why I’m saying that on the better systems (like Tesla) they should just give us CarPlay in a small 8 inchish screen size. Tesla and other EV’s are either fully controlled or moving to being fully controlled by the touch screen so that’s ton of info that you need access to. Making CarPlay take up that entire screen would be a complete waste. Give me 25% of the screen to CarPlay and everything else to the rest of the manufacturers UI. I just want developers to be able to give end users access to their apps within the car infotainment without having to develop specifically for that cars system
 
Agreed, which is why I’m saying that on the better systems (like Tesla) they should just give us CarPlay in a small 8 inchish screen size. Tesla and other EV’s are either fully controlled or moving to being fully controlled by the touch screen so that’s ton of info that you need access to. Making CarPlay take up that entire screen would be a complete waste. Give me 25% of the screen to CarPlay and everything else to the rest of the manufacturers UI. I just want developers to be able to give end users access to their apps within the car infotainment without having to develop specifically for that cars system
I agree with some of what you said, but opening a small window to display an even smaller window of navigation inside CarPlay (like in the screenshot accompanying the MacRumors front page article) just looks like such a waste of space when 2/3 of the massive display would otherwise be used for navigation, plus the car’s native slide up/down music interface. And I don’t think CarPlay will natively support using 2/3 of an FHD display the way the built-in maps (or, ideally, the way official 3rd party apps) would.

If I could download Waze or ABRP as a native Tesla app, there’d be no reason to shoehorn in CarPlay into a little square taking up only half of the whole left side of the M3/MY displays.

I used CarPlay every single day when I drove my Chevy Volt. Even bought a $100 dongle to enable wireless CarPlay to make it even easier. I just don’t think it makes sense on a system like Tesla. BUT, Tesla better get off their duff and get apps for SiriusXM, etc., working or get out of the way so others can enable it themselves. Yes, CarPlay does it, but it’s not the same as having the native car UI.
 
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I agree with some of what you said, but opening a small window to display an even smaller window of navigation inside CarPlay (like in the screenshot accompanying the MacRumors front page article) just looks like such a waste of space when 2/3 of the massive display would otherwise be used for navigation, plus the car’s native slide up/down music interface. And I don’t think CarPlay will natively support using 2/3 of an FHD display the way the built-in maps (or, ideally, the way official 3rd party apps) would.

If I could download Waze or ABRP as a native Tesla app, there’d be no reason to shoehorn in CarPlay into a little square taking up only half of the whole left side of the M3/MY displays.

I used CarPlay every single day when I drove my Chevy Volt. Even bought a $100 dongle to enable wireless CarPlay to make it even easier. I just don’t think it makes sense on a system like Tesla. BUT, Tesla better get off their duff and get apps for SiriusXM, etc., working or get out of the way so others can enable it themselves. Yes, CarPlay does it, but it’s not the same as having the native car UI.
Yeah, I agree completely. Native will be much better than anything CarPlay can offer. But CarPlay gives “a” solution vs either having nothing or hoping for the manufacture to support it. I would rather have a sub par UI experience vs having no experience for apps that the manufacture either refuses to support or hasn’t gotten to it. But as it stands, if you depend on Waze and really want Waze, there’s no solution.
 
Yeah, I agree completely. Native will be much better than anything CarPlay can offer. But CarPlay gives “a” solution vs either having nothing or hoping for the manufacture to support it. I would rather have a sub par UI experience vs having no experience for apps that the manufacture either refuses to support or hasn’t gotten to it. But as it stands, if you depend on Waze and really want Waze, there’s no solution.
In my Tesla, if I needed something like ABRP, I’d just as soon use it off the phone directly than try to somehow graft it on to the Tesla screen.
I haven’t actually taken a long multi-charge road trip in my M3 as I’ve only had it a couple months so far, but when I do later this summer, I plan on running ABRP off my cellular iPad mini independently from the rest of the car’s UI as I’ll likely want to stop and charge more frequently than the built-in navigation calculates for.
 
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Too much work. Elon just needs to make CarPlay available. Should be a no brainer for a tech company. CarPlay would look awesome on that huge screen.
Elon needs to stop being such a high level control freak, that he even lectures other control freaks for being control freaks.
 
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Yeah, I agree completely. Native will be much better than anything CarPlay can offer. But CarPlay gives “a” solution vs either having nothing or hoping for the manufacture to support it.
I think this is the issue - for me it doesn't have to be carplay, just something that accesses the music on my phone better than the car's existing setup
I've had a Model 3 for about six weeks, and that's the only problem I have without carplay
 
I honestly prefer how minimal the Tesla UI is compared to Apple's cluttered Carplay. I also do not know what Carplay offers 'me' over what I already have right now.

-1 touch calling with a large dial pad and all phone functions

-Spotify, Youtube, etc.

-Calendar sync.

The only negative is its missing a few Apps like LINE, and it also sucks that you need to stream music from your phone if you happen to only have you music on Apple Music. I also wouldn't mind a few charging apps like Plug Share or the EA app, however Tesla has by far the best charging network in the United States. And the only charging network that is "ready for primetime."
 
CarPlay and Android Auto are a dying breed. Vehicle manufacturers want full control of the in-car entertainment experience so it can be monetized, especially once self-driving becomes an actual thing.

They'll have a captive audience which will be huge for revenue. They don't want you to use Google Maps through CarPlay because the built-in GPS can be monetized with location-based advertising. Same with media streaming, apps, games, etc. Want to watch a movie? Buy it through their store so they get a cut.

And Tesla's UI is infinitely better than CarPlay.
I have a Model 3.

As a piece of machinery, I love it.

For its UI, I despise it. The maps are insufficiently clear and more than once have caused me to take wrong turns at junctions that I cannot easily undo, in the worst case putting a further 13 miles onto my journey.

The sat nav does not allow for picking alternative routes. It chooses a route and, like it or not, that’s what you’re stuck with. The only way to defeat that is to ignore it and take roads it hadn’t planned until it finally reroutes. This is only possible where you know an area or it is sufficiently well signed. Again, just not good enough. It doesn’t even seem to allow for avoiding motorways, which, while it doesn’t include me, learner drivers are prohibited from using in the UK. This is an appalling feature absence that may well lead some learners to be prosecuted. That the sat nav sent them that way is not an excuse, but it’s still not good enough that Tesla allow that possibility to arise.

The UI for music is totally unacceptable. Using Bluetooth to my phone I cannot select artist or album, only move forward through stored files at random. I don’t use Spotify nor am I interested in doing so, and to not able to select from what is stored on my connected phone is just not good enough, and I won’t hear otherwise. If some want to use Spotify that’s fine for them. I don’t. I want to use what I have stored on my phone, in the same way that in the 90s I would choose from the CDs or tapes I carried in the car. If that makes me outdated I don’t care. My car; it should be my choice. To have that choice denied, when in pretty much any other brand of car it’s a given that the choice is there, is just not acceptable whatsoever.

In short, the car is great, and the screen is great, but I bloody despise the user interface and deeply resent that Tesla won’t (yet?) allow Car Play onto these vehicles.
 
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Tesla could, if they choose, open the API to allow a 3rd party navigation app to engage battery preconditioning.

But I think we’re getting outside the scope of the discussion. It’s really the fact that the CarPlay display is designed for an independent infotainment display - one that is separate from the control of the rest of the car. So many new vehicles, especially EVs, have everything integrated. Tesla is just a good example of this, but many other EVs are doing the same thing. And those that graft CarPlay into them look kinda weird.

I think if Tesla were to allow some independent 3rd party apps, it would obviate the need for CarPlay in many (but not all) situations.
They would need to beef up their security before hand for sure, as it stands any app you give your login info to basically has the keys to your whole account and can pretty much do whatever they want (and for the folks that roll their own auth token that bascically limits access to "total control of their car" and not the whole account).

But yeah an official API would be nice to have.
 
If some want to use Spotify that’s fine for them. I don’t. I want to use what I have stored on my phone, in the same way that in the 90s I would choose from the CDs or tapes I carried in the car. If that makes me outdated I don’t care. My car; it should be my choice.
My apologies if you already know this, but you can load all of those same files onto a USB stick and play them from the car interface under Media Player > USB. I think that would be a cleaner solution then playing local music files from the phone, personally. Higher quality sound without the Bluetooth re-encode, not running down your phone battery, etc.
 
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Does not look like a simple and easy solution.
I personally think streaming is simpler, but since dmw7 wants "the same way that in the 90s I would choose from the CDs or tapes I carried in the car," I would think the native interface would be the closest match for that.
 
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