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Let's not even mention the dog whistles Trump and the politicians were doing at events to show support of white supremacists. Add the hate and violent comments to divide the country led by Trump and his minions like:

"Let's have trial by combat!"
"He should be drawn and quartered!"
"Put their heads on spikes in front of the White House!"

It's truly embarrassing that folks actually supported and voted for this. Did I mention that all the counties that Trump focused his "Stop the Steal" ire were heavily populated by minorities?

Trump was the most powerful person in the world yet he played the victim and it was always someone else's fault. Russia got away with murder literally and USA got hacked big time under his watch. He didn't even care. Meanwhile, republicans propaganda machine is pumping out misinformation to this day and getting paid! Foxnews gives all the "radical extremist" politicians spotlight and love. Republicans now have QAnon supporters elected to office. Politicians are now getting rich off asking for donations to "stop the steal". Echo chambers of hate are popping up to gain new recruits from the mindless drones.

If you let the folks here upset about a nonviolent Apple product launch tell it: "It's the radical left's fault!"
 
Republicans now have QAnon supporters elected to office.
Yeah, there's no "they're not us"-defence when they're at the core of the Republican Party.

 
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Oh the irony in your post. You're being dismissive of what I was saying. I was telling the member to enjoy their product if they want to wear it and don't worry what MIGHT happen. It's just a watchband. Calm down. 🙄
There's more than enough dismissiveness to go around. And that's why we're so divided.
And when did I say this never happens? I asked was if you truly felt someone would do this to YOU. It's just a watchband. If you have personal issues about it I can't help that.
I feel that they would do it to me; yes I do. Most, no. But as I said in my earlier post, all it would take is ONE to ruin somebody's life.
This discussion is so tiresome.
Yes it is, but we MUST hash it out, or we'll never cultivate unity from the only place that it can originate, and that's the heart.
Back in the 90’s we wore all kinds of “culturally appropriated” clothing and symbols. No one cared. We all liked rap. Cross Colors was widely popular among all races and we wore it without a care. No one needed permission to wear a certain color. Sheesh. No one had to go berserko on a message board over a rubber strap.
Well, depending on what part of town you find yourself in, wearing the wrong color could get you killed. But they keep letting violent criminals out of jail.
As a Black man.
There is nothing wrong with being an ally or solidarity.
Cultural appropriation is when you you use or monetize the culture with no respect for it.
I wear breast cancer awareness bands. I wear pink shirts for the month of October.
I don't have breast cancer.

Lots of snowflakes around here.
That's good for you, but nobody will make your life hell. Well, unless you start saying the "wrong things". It may take awhile, but eventually somebody will try to take you out like they regularly do Clarence Thomas, Allen West, and Ben Carson.

Seriously, pick a conservative issue that you agree with (there's GOT to be at least one!), then just say something in social media, like you disagree with some policy thing that the new administration wants to do. Be specific, use facts (if you're really open to testing this, you might as well go down for saying something righteous and factually correct), and then keep saying it. Merely wearing a watch band won't do it for your specific situation; you'll have to go a step further for a true test.

See what happens to your life then. They'll try to ruin your life. They might attempt to get you fired from your job, and they might even try to do violence to your home and loved ones. You might even lose some friends and drinking buddies.

But THEN, pay attention to the people who will come to your defense. Because they will be there, I promise you that. Even if they might not look like you, they'll be your brothers and sisters, maybe even more than the ones you THOUGHT were on your side.
 
1. We had 100 years of Apartheid in America after the civil war. It was called Jim Crowe, The Black Codes and segregation.
Make no mistake. it's application was just a brutal as Apartheid in South Africa. By Calling anything other than Apartheid we sanitize the actions and behavior.

Sorry, we have never had an honest discussion about race in America. To deny that systemic and endemic racism still exists, it just hides the issue and lest is fester.

I don't need you colorblind. It's okay to recognize that I'm different; just don't treat me differently.
The Japanese experience in America is different than mine as a Black man. I can recognize they have a different culture and a different experience without treating them differently.

2. You must have your head in the sand. Systems in place to make any Black American successful?
So discrimination in housing, banking, insurance and education no longer exists?
No discrimination by law enforcement?
Crack addicts get jail, but powder users (usually white get rehab). Now that soccer moms are hooked on opiates and it's affecting the burbs we talk about this being an issue. When drugs affect the black community; lock them up.
Without truly having a discussion about the long running disparities in legacy wealth that was stolen by 100 years of apartheid you keep sweeping the issue under the rug.

3. I agree with this because Black Americans have participated in ALL aspects of history in America, but the teaching of those achievements has long lagged behind the propping up of white inventors.
I can name 50 inventions by Black Americans. I bet most people that graduated from school in America can name 2; if that.
Black History Month is no different than Breast Cancer Awareness month in its goal. It's to make/help people become aware so maybe they will seek more knowledge.
I think the only person who has their head in the sand is you, because you must've missed the memo where a Black American became president... twice. If the systems weren't in place for any Black American to be successful, how would that be possible? If systemic racism against Black people were real, how is it that Nigerians are some of the most successful immigrants in this country?

Racism exists, systemic racism does not. You made a lot of claims, but the facts don't support your claims.

1. Where's the Proof of Systemic Racism?
2. False Black Power
 
If you are comfortable with standing next to the nazi when they are supporting what you are supporting, when you are comfortable supporting a party comfortable with supporting a president attracting and protecting the nazi… well… you're no better yourself.

So following your logic all voters who support a party at the same time any elected member of that same party commits a crime are automatically complicit, supportive and protective of those crimes too? WOW! A simple web search can find a long list of Democrats also guilty of and accused of crimes, will you condemn them too? Or are you more selective in who you will condemn for what?

So everyone who supported Bill Clinton is supportive of and willing to stand with sexual predators? Because as we all know a man in a positon of power that has a sexual relationship with a subordinate is a predator. This would of course include his wife who could be considered his top supporter through that scandal. Do you condemn Hillary Clinton as a proud supporter of sexual predators or at the very least a supporter of men of use their position of power to influence a young intern? If not you yourself are no better according to your logic.

I find your logic in this to be incredibly simplistic and self serving of your narrative. Should the sins of the father be inflicted upon the son? Are you very sure that 100% of the people of voted on your side are stand up, model citizens or would you condemn yourself as supporting and protecting their crimes?

Again, there is a long list of current and past scum bags on both sides of the political isle but I refuse to condemn every last voter in a party for the crimes of individual candidates in that party.
 
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It's so very simple: Don't be an ass and you don't have to fear the consequences of your actions.
The problem is, just saying something benign, like "I think the election was stolen from Trump", well that's called "being an ass". But saying the same thing, "Hillary's election was stolen" is...what, protected speech?

Just who gets to decide what "being an ass" means, anyway?
So that's what you all tell yourselves, eh? Your last sentence (his "being an ass" sentence) just proved why so many are fed up. Do as we say or else.
Yep, this is how I see it too.
Believe in what we say or we will attempt to make your life hell. Don't ask questions, just repeat the feel good slogans till something else comes along to get enraged about. Collect woke points. Rinse and repeat.
Fixed it for you. ;)
Honey, all "we" say is that you have to be a big boy and accept that not everyone wants to do business with you when you are mistreating us, our friends, or other people, for who we/they are.
I agree with this statement on the face of it. The problem is, we can't agree on right from wrong. Until we do, we will be divided.
What are your thoughts on storming the capital?
Hang 'em high and hang 'em long. I don't care if they were Trump supporters or fake Trump Supporters (yes, there's that little ignored tidbit).

But that would also include those who rioted and burned cities and small businesses.

If you lit something up and it wasn't your own grill in your own backyard, well then the punishment should be stiff. And hey, I'm an equal-opportunity hangman! 😁
Sadly, holding people accountable for their actions is lost on people these days.
I agree. Anybody who rioted, burned buildings, broke windows, in any city, at any time; well, they should ALL be punished. No excuses.
A quarterback kneeling for equal rights is demonized and "canceled" by the same folks...
You misunderstand the term "canceled". He was never canceled. He's just not good enough to play in the NFL. So he got canceled for incompetence. Okay, that sentence was my opinion. But I'm not the only one with that opinion.

But really, I'm not good enough to play at Carnegie Hall. And I'm not good enough to perform cosmetic surgery on you, or even to cut your hair. And I'm not good enough to paint your family's portrait. I've learned to face facts and deal with my many inadequacies, all WITHOUT claiming that somebody ELSE is holding me down. Nobody held Kapernick down but Kapernick himself.
...that stormed the capital and spew hate/violence on social media. They then act surprised when they are held accountable. Freedom of Speech is usually the phrase they hide behind to justify their horrible actions....
Here we go again, pick one event that favors your stance and ignore the others. What about the riots in the other cities? People lost their abilities to feed their families. And some lost their lives. Come on, don't be so shy; I want to see if you have the ability to be consistent when arguing.
 
You misunderstand the term "canceled". He was never canceled. He's just not good enough to play in the NFL.

Hahahahahhahah. God, it would be really funny if you weren't so racist.


Here we go again, pick one event that favors your stance and ignore the others. What about the riots in the other cities?

I live in one of the cities with the "riots", and it was ****ing fine...except for the incredible violence the NYPD brought to bear on protestors.

So take your false equivalency ******** that people marching because they live in a racist ****ing country IS EQUIVALENT to deluded sore losers who attempt to overthrow the country.

It's not the same, and only a fascist would pretend they were.
 
I feel that they would do it to me; yes I do. Most, no. But as I said in my earlier post, all it would take is ONE to ruin somebody's life.
And you can go outside your home, jump in your car and within minutes get into a fatal car accident, which is a much higher chance and more common than people harassing someone for wearing an Apple Watchband.

As person of color I do tend to find it offensive when I see members of Caucasian ethnicity cornrow their hair or wear dreadlocks. These people are mocking my culture that they have no experience with in terms of living in the same skin as I do. Still I don't foolishly go up to them and trash them for it. When it comes to trinkets such watch bands I see it as people being ridiculously paranoid if they think someone is going to attack them for wearing it because they are not part of the culture. Silly to be so paranoid about a watch band that a person wouldn't wear it.

It's also silly thinking if you think some people have nothing else going on in their lives that they would bother to stop focusing on themselves to checkout what others are wearing so they can harass them about it. Not as common as you're making it out to be, and certainly not as common as getting into a car accident.
 
The problem is, just saying something benign, like "I think the election was stolen from Trump", well that's called "being an ass". But saying the same thing, "Hillary's election was stolen" is...what, protected speech?

Just who gets to decide what "being an ass" means, anyway?

Yep, this is how I see it too.

Fixed it for you. ;)

I agree with this statement on the face of it. The problem is, we can't agree on right from wrong. Until we do, we will be divided.

Hang 'em high and hang 'em long. I don't care if they were Trump supporters or fake Trump Supporters (yes, there's that little ignored tidbit).

But that would also include those who rioted and burned cities and small businesses.

If you lit something up and it wasn't your own grill in your own backyard, well then the punishment should be stiff. And hey, I'm an equal-opportunity hangman! 😁

I agree. Anybody who rioted, burned buildings, broke windows, in any city, at any time; well, they should ALL be punished. No excuses.

You misunderstand the term "canceled". He was never canceled. He's just not good enough to play in the NFL. So he got canceled for incompetence. Okay, that sentence was my opinion. But I'm not the only one with that opinion.

But really, I'm not good enough to play at Carnegie Hall. And I'm not good enough to perform cosmetic surgery on you, or even to cut your hair. And I'm not good enough to paint your family's portrait. I've learned to face facts and deal with my many inadequacies, all WITHOUT claiming that somebody ELSE is holding me down. Nobody held Kapernick down but Kapernick himself.

Here we go again, pick one event that favors your stance and ignore the others. What about the riots in the other cities? People lost their abilities to feed their families. And some lost their lives. Come on, don't be so shy; I want to see if you have the ability to be consistent when arguing.
Ok, I'll play.

1. The fact that you feel he wasn't good enough to play when just a couple years earlier he took his team to the Super Bowl is outright ridiculous. NFL players even thought he was really good and certainly better than 2nd and third stringers. I'm embarrassed for you.

2. Anyone that commits a crime should be held responsible. That includes cops and politicians.

3. The riots and the storming of the capital are very different things. Funny that you will downplay the capital storming like it was just another day. The capital being overrun only happened once or twice in history with the last time being over 100+ years ago. The riots you referred to had many non minorities involved which hijacked the cause and the movement. White Supremacists even tried to take advantage to smear the campaign. This is indisputable. Cops also were overwhelming in force and in tactics against these mostly peaceful protests. Let's not forget that racist cops triggered the riots and calls for justice and equality. You won't dare speak on that though.

Storming the capital was an attempt to overthrow the government and deny the will of the majority. Shameful and despicable. If these were mostly black protesters or if it was a black president calling for violence, the police force would have been overwhelming and brutal. Deaths would have been very high. Foxnews would have had a field day and there would have been a reckoning. Instead, these non minorities were allowed to storm, take selfies with cops, threaten more storming and steal items. Some smeared feces over our sacred capital building.

Imagine a black capital stormer wearing horns, face paint, and a spear with the America flag on it. He wouldn't be alive today. Meanwhile, the QAnon Shaman is alive and well with the best lawyer money can buy getting organic food in jail! Are you ****** kidding me? Many of the non minorities made bail and are on house arrest, the one black guy who wasn't seen doing any of that crazy stuff has to stay in jail until trial. So much for equality!

4. It's not one event. You see the Karens, the police brutality, the Trump caravans harassing folks and running people off the road. The list can go on and on. The problem is you choose to ignore these things because it seems like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. The poor soul here worried about getting caught wearing a black unity band is more likely to run into a violent trump supporter or have a Karen harass him versus dealing with the cancel culture.

How about this. Put a BLM flag up at your house or anything that supports equality and I would bet 9/10 your house would get vandalized. Put a Trump/Pence or Back the Blue flag up at your house and I would bet 9/10 nothing happens at all. Am I wrong?
 
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Apparently I’m a troll for saying I’m not surprised about the reaction to this news. That’s amusing. Hopefully, hateful comments were scrubbed as well.
 
They are doing something; you're just not happy with what they're doing.

They're not asking for donations without doing anything, they are creating products that allow people to express what they stand for; and by doing that Apple is actually standing up for something themselves.

That might not sound like much to you, but look around you at the r****t f***s getting triggered by it; and that should be enough to tell you that it is more than doing nothing.
Yeah they are doing something - it’s called shameless exploitation.

First, show me your board and management with proper representation of African Americans before you go asking African Americans to honour MLK make you richer.

The fact is that Apple can’t do it. They haven’t done their homework. As someone once said:

"....You say Black Lives Matter? Show me the receipts...."​


 
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Yeah they are doing something - it’s called shameless exploitation.
^ This.

The "do as I say, not as I do" routine.

It's the same garbage they do with climate change. Pretend you care about the environment and lecture people about climate change, all the while maintaining a business model that strongly encourages overconsumption—the usual corporate ********.

Apple: "We're WOKE!!!"

Me: "Not even close, bitches."
 
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Yeah they are doing something - it’s called shameless exploitation.

First, show me your board and management with proper representation of African Americans before you go asking African Americans to honour MLK make you richer.

The fact is that Apple can’t do it. They haven’t done their homework. As someone once said:

"....You say Black Lives Matter? Show me the receipts...."​


I'm sure people scaring people/businesses away from showing any kind of support will do wonders for the movement/whatchamacallit. 🙄

All that will happen is that businesses completely stay away from that toxicity, and for the person on the street there will be less signs of support around them; just furthering that divide that we saw earlier in this thread, where even the "good" people get scared of showing support.
 
Walk the talk.

Put your money where you mouth is.

Black Americans will thrive better when companies act properly, rather than posturing in February every year while carrying on with the same old jim Crow in the Hr department.
 
I think the only person who has their head in the sand is you, because you must've missed the memo where a Black American became president... twice. If the systems weren't in place for any Black American to be successful, how would that be possible? If systemic racism against Black people were real, how is it that Nigerians are some of the most successful immigrants in this country?

Racism exists, systemic racism does not. You made a lot of claims, but the facts don't support your claims.

1. Where's the Proof of Systemic Racism?
2. False Black Power
Okay, so you don't think white privilege exists and there is no systemic racism in America.
The success of one does not necessarily mean the success for all.

I have multiple degrees in Electrical Engineering, score off the charts in IQ (yes I'm in Mensa), years and years of experience in design. I have never been turned down for a job for lack of qualifications.
Here in Silicon Valley the term is "you don't fit the culture".
Give me a break.

Article on redlining ->

Here are 26 charts from business insider-> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...d-its-been-lower-for-black-people-for-years-1

There is plenty of proof you just need to want to read and look at it.
 
Okay, so you don't think white privilege exists and there is no systemic racism in America.
The success of one does not necessarily mean the success for all.

I have multiple degrees in Electrical Engineering, score off the charts in IQ (yes I'm in Mensa), years and years of experience in design. I have never been turned down for a job for lack of qualifications.
Here in Silicon Valley the term is "you don't fit the culture".
Give me a break.

Article on redlining ->

Here are 26 charts from business insider-> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...d-its-been-lower-for-black-people-for-years-1

There is plenty of proof you just need to want to read and look at it.

Some folks that aren't a minority will never get it even when it's right in their face. You can look at any company page that shows the executive team and most are white and you may see a female sprinkled in probably for HR. You can live in a minority as the majority city and still have a non-minority mayor and mostly non-minority council members. Should we even mention the legal system and police brutality?

At the end of the day, some folks will never get it and meanwhile they will continue to run this country and world into the ground.
 
Some folks that aren't a minority will never get it even when it's right in their face.
Sadly, most minorities actually don't get it either…

Just look at how trans-people are treated in communities that themselves are disadvantaged in the US.
 
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I will be buying this on day one! And a extra band as well. I love it. Happy to see our flag recognized. Everything about it is A-1 to me. Band design is well done and all the colors are visible in a aesthetically pleasing way to me. This is a band that I will every single day of the year, not just in February. If you know, you know why the term Black Unity is so important as well as Truth,Solidarity and Power. Some will think it’s divisive but I understand quite clearly.

Immediate purchase soon as it’s available on Monday.
 
Okay, so you don't think white privilege exists and there is no systemic racism in America.
The success of one does not necessarily mean the success for all.

I have multiple degrees in Electrical Engineering, score off the charts in IQ (yes I'm in Mensa), years and years of experience in design. I have never been turned down for a job for lack of qualifications.
Here in Silicon Valley the term is "you don't fit the culture".
Give me a break.

Article on redlining ->

Here are 26 charts from business insider-> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...d-its-been-lower-for-black-people-for-years-1

There is plenty of proof you just need to want to read and look at it.
No, white privilege doesn't exist (not like you think) and there is no systemic racism in America. There's privilege of all kinds. Will Smith's son is far more privileged than a white boy of similar age living in a trailer park in Alabama, for example. And again, if systemic racism exists in America, how do you explain a black man becoming president with a majority of the electoral and popular votes? How to do you explain the over 10K Black Americans who are in position of political power today? Or how you were accepted into a University to pursue multiple degrees?

You may be brilliant, but did it ever occur to you that you're not the right fit because of your personality? Or that there are people who are smarter than you? Or more experienced? This is exactly what I mean when I say that liberals are doing a lot of harm by promoting this myth about systemic racism. It gets into people's heads and sets them up for failure. They default to blaming the system instead of trying harder, or worse, not trying at all. Figure out why they didn't hire you and work on those problem areas. If you're as smart as you say you are, someone will hire you. I guarantee it.

You can't trust the mainstream media. 93% of them are liberal and they have no problem omitting or twisting facts to push their narrative. Bari Weiss's resignation letter should've made that abundantly clear. Both of your articles scream of liberal bias.

Do you really believe a bank will turn down money?? Banks turn down White people more than Asians. Do you believe it's because they're discriminating against white people? Of course you don't. So why would you believe they're discriminating against people of color? The fact of the matter is, Asians have the highest credit scores, followed by Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. And it just so happens that that's the same order of mortgage acceptance rates by race.

As for the Business Insider article, I mean... really? Business Insider? Written during the height of the BLM movement to throw more fuel to the fire? The headline says it all: 26 simple charts. Simple being the operative word. Clearly, BI just cobbled together a bunch of charts to push a narrative of how Black people are worse off than White people, without delving into the history or any real facts. It's so incredibly shallow and misleading. Black Americans are underrepresented in Congress? Really? I didn't realize that having over 10% of Black Congress people is under-represented when the overall Black population is not much different at 13%. If that's the case, then Hispanics and Asians are severely under-represented!

I suggest you read Thomas Sowell's books... or watch his videos. He delves into history and presents fact after fact to make a case for why Black Americans aren't as successful as some other groups. Hint: it has nothing to do with systemic racism, and a lot to do with liberal policies that have created a welfare industry that has a vested interest in keeping Black people in need.
 
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No, white privilege doesn't exist (not like you think) and there is no systemic racism in America. There's privilege of all kinds.
And white privilege in 🇺🇸 includes to statistically speaking have less of a risk of getting shot in an identical situation as that of a black person.

Nether white privilege nor racism goes away simply because you have seen some rich and famous black people better off than you.

And actually, most of what goes with "white privilege" isn't meant to go away, because it's that base line of how everyone should be treated; and that those things are right now a "white privilege" simply means that white people (like myself) get the "privilege" of not having to suffer the lack of it.
 
And white privilege in 🇺🇸 includes to statistically speaking have less of a risk of getting shot in an identical situation as that of a black person.

Nether white privilege nor racism goes away simply because you have seen some rich and famous black people better off than you.

And actually, most of what goes with "white privilege" isn't meant to go away, because it's that base line of how everyone should be treated; and that those things are right now a "white privilege" simply means that white people (like myself) get the "privilege" of not having to suffer the lack of it.
Pretty much everyone acknowledges that racism exists, but systemic racism is not the same thing. You can't have wealthy and powerful Black people, not to mention a growing middle class of Blacks, in this country, if that were the case.

Blacks are NOT disproportionately mistreated or killed by cops. I don't blame you for thinking that though because the mainstream media and higher education had me fooled too. That doesn't mean there aren't injustices; they're just not targeted at Blacks in a systemic way like we are led to believe. Here's the truth about that and why spreading that myth is extremely dangerous.

As for your comment about white privilege, people from all walks of life are treated differently according to things like social status, profession, looks, sometimes race, sometimes gender, and a whole host of other variables. There is no base line even for white people, and they certainly don't all enjoy the same privileges so if there is no common privilege that white people enjoy, I don't know what you mean by it's the base line for how everyone should be treated.
 
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