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Translation: "I don't like it so nobody should be allowed to have it."
Now do the non racist Idea, treat every race the same.
If every race truly was treated the same this wouldn't be needed. It is needed.
So a few observations:
Can't help but notice that after calling me out for not answering his questions in post #146 that @Black Magic didn't bother to follow up when I did answer all of his questions in post #148.
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Also can't help but notice that @svanstrom stated in post #151 that:
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Also, I can't help but notice that neither of you two commented on @Karma*Police 's post with Mr. Elder's video commentary, I found his viewpoint enlightening and certainly worth discussion, or perhaps it doesn't fit your narrative?
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I would also like to say that I have zero issue with the band, Apple can produce any band they wish, tied to any cause they would like to support but personally I would be in the market for a band that supported human unity versus any single subset of humanity. If I'm going to signal I'd rather be seen as an ally to all versus a single group.
Can't help but notice that after calling me out for not answering his questions in post #146 that @Black Magic didn't bother to follow up when I did answer all of his questions in post #148.
Love how you didn't comment on any of my answers. Didn't get the responses you hoped for? Fair is fair, if the outgoing administrations comments on a rigged election were so dangerous then the same accusations by Speaker Pelosi are equally dangerous and she should suffer the same consequences.
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Also can't help but notice that @svanstrom stated in post #151 that:
The implication here is of course was that anyone voting Republican in the last election is no better than a Nazi, what a ridiculous, over generalizing claim! But failed to address my follow up post #157 asking if Democrats that voted Democrat are also supporting, attracting and protecting every single crime committed by a Democrat currently in office or that was running in the last election or if that logic only applies to Republicans? I'd love to hear a response to my Bill Clinton example.
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Also, I can't help but notice that neither of you two commented on @Karma*Police 's post with Mr. Elder's video commentary, I found his viewpoint enlightening and certainly worth discussion, or perhaps it doesn't fit your narrative?
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I would also like to say that I have zero issue with the band, Apple can produce any band they wish, tied to any cause they would like to support but personally I would be in the market for a band that supported human unity versus any single subset of humanity. If I'm going to signal I'd rather be seen as an ally to all versus a single group.
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Replying to this person is a waste of time and energy.
I lost interest in the thread and decided to put my energies elsewhere. You can't win arguing with a wall.
I would define it as a policy or system of discrimination based on race, such as Apartheid, Jim Crow laws, Chinese Exclusion Act, etc.
I highly recommend you watch this video by Larry Elder: Where's the Proof of Systemic Racism?
Where's the data to support your claim that not all races are treated the same? Are Asians treated better than White poeple? Is that why they score higher on SAT's, get better grades, earn more, have higher mortgage acceptance rates, hold more managerial positions, all the while holding almost no political clout or media influence, and being the smallest minority race in the country? Or is it more likely that Asian culture and values are driving that success?
If it's purely about race, why is it that Nigerians are one of the most successful immigrant groups in the US, earning even more than the average American? Are they not Black?
Basically, what you're saying is that Black Americans are inferior and that's why they need handouts to compete. Coincidentally, who stands to benefit from those handouts? Democrats, right?
"I'll have these n**gers voting Democrat for the next 200 years" is what LBJ said, when he signed one of the largest welfare programs in the 60's that destroyed Black communities by disincentivizing Black people from competing and breaking up families by replacing fathers with a check. Looks like mission accomplished.
I see this argument brought up a lot, so I think it's worth responding to.
Systemic racism doesn’t mean that members of certain groups are entirely barred from success. It means that they have a harder time succeeding than similarly situated members of other groups.
Various researchers have found that the nation of origin is a factor. The biggest factor is the availability of education, and immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa tend to be better educated than both immigrants from European countries and native-born Americans.
When we compare black Americans who immigrated to the U.S. to black Americans born in the US, those with similar educational outcomes tend to have similar levels of achievement. So the relative success of African immigrants comes, at least partly, from the selectivity of the immigration system.
Since education is such a big factor here, it is worth pointing out that racism affects educational outcomes. To the extent that African immigrants may not have experienced racial stressors during their formative years (depending on their country of origin), they may have an advantage (but that advantage may disappear once they immigrate).
African immigrants may be successful as a group, but that is at least in part because those whose applications for immigration are approved are already more likely to succeed than similarly situated immigrants from other countries (mainly due to their educational background). When the data says that members of certain groups have to be twice as good to achieve half as much (or even just better than average to achieve average results), that's not evidence against systemic racism. Quite the opposite.
Sometimes calling someone an idiot is a fitting description, and not a baseless attack. 🤷
The term refers to structurally biased unfair EFFECTS or OUTCOMES of a system, not whether someone wrote down a policy or law or regulation that said “XYZ type of person or group must be treated as less worthy than ABC group”.
However, battling racism is not going to happen when major companies such as Apple are eager to cash in on sales and profits from talking about racism, while not being equally eager to show their own self-assessment, performance and challenges. Those type of murky situations are exactly how systemic racism thrives. You cannot shop racism away - it's a moral and spiritual problem, not a consumer purchasing habit problem.
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Uh, racism denotes race. Not level of education. Not ethnicity. Not gender. Just race. So it's very appropriate to compare Nigerians to Black Americans when people make claims about systemic racism.
Also, African immigrants aren't all successful as a group. Somalians, for example, have a much harder time in this country than Nigerians, because as you've pointed out, education makes a difference and the main difference with those groups is the level of education.
What this shows, once again, is that there are reasons beyond race as to why some groups are less successful. Simply pointing out disparities between whites and blacks and claiming that it's due to racism is just lazy thinking (not to mention dangerous) because the facts just don't support it.
If it referred to unfair effects and outcomes, as you claim, how would you know it was due to racism? What caused that disparity other than you making a claim that it was due to racial discrimination? If what you say is true, then that would mean white people could claim they are victims of systemic racism because their outcomes are worse than Asians!
I agree with your comment about racism being a moral issue. I disagree with the innuendo that companies can do away with racism by somehow forcing more diversity and hiring more minorities. Racism will go away when people focus on individuals, and the best individuals should be hired for the job at hand. If that results in an all white management team or an all black basketball team, then so be it.
Inequality is a fact of life. People need to stop trying to force equal outcomes. We've tried that and it failed spectacularly, resulting in millions of deaths. The best we can hope for is equal opportunity, and as far as the system/law is concerned, we have that.
I wonder if Karma*Police's whole act is getting to try and get people to watch this Larry Elder video as though it's some kind of Rosetta Stone that reveals that racism has been all a huge misunderstanding or a left-wing conspiracy.
First, this is Larry Elder of the Epoch Times. Yes, that Epoch Times—the famously conspiratorial right wing meme machine, which tells you where we're going.
So against my better judgment I watched this video. It doesn't refute a damn thing.
A great example of its kind of sophistry is that it starts talking about voter ID laws. Provides one clip from the standard Republican talking point that we need to "increase voter security", even though the interviewer points out that there's no actual documented danger of illegal voting.
Then Elder provides a supercut of Black people on the street being asked if they have ID, and the ones asked are indignant because they do. This is dumb and performative—at best, it can be cute when done on Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel, but inexplicably Elder (and Karma*Police) are presenting it like it's making a case.
Then somehow the rest of the evidence that all of the studies and decades of documented research about voting patterns in the 20th and 21st century is wrong is...a Gallup poll that many Black people are fine with voter ID laws. This is hardly surprising: the whole reason voter ID laws keep getting intensified is that it dogwhistles racism, and many Americans don't see it as a problem, so they are tacitly in favor of them.
So we could rip into Karma*Police's whole act here, but the video he keeps touting as capturing his views and proving his case is totally worthless, it's not really worth the time it's taken me to type this.
First, this is Larry Elder of the Epoch Times. Yes, that Epoch Times—the famously conspiratorial right wing meme machine, which tells you where we're going.
So against my better judgment I watched this video. It doesn't refute a damn thing.
A great example of its kind of sophistry is that it starts talking about voter ID laws. Provides one clip from the standard Republican talking point that we need to "increase voter security", even though the interviewer points out that there's no actual documented danger of illegal voting.
Then Elder provides a supercut of Black people on the street being asked if they have ID, and the ones asked are indignant because they do. This is dumb and performative—at best, it can be cute when done on Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel, but inexplicably Elder (and Karma*Police) are presenting it like it's making a case.
Then somehow the rest of the evidence that all of the studies and decades of documented research about voting patterns in the 20th and 21st century is wrong is...a Gallup poll that many Black people are fine with voter ID laws. This is hardly surprising: the whole reason voter ID laws keep getting intensified is that it dogwhistles racism, and many Americans don't see it as a problem, so they are tacitly in favor of them.
So we could rip into Karma*Police's whole act here, but the video he keeps touting as capturing his views and proving his case is totally worthless, it's not really worth the time it's taken me to type this.
Finally, this is his conclusion: stop trying.
In a world where we've seen how often black people pay the price with their lives for police violence, the idea that we need to get with the program, shrug, and accept it is spectacularly and blatantly racist.
Wrong and wrong.
Stop forcing equal outcomes does not mean stop trying.
You need to stop getting your "facts" from mainstream media. Here are the real facts about police brutality against Blacks.