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No, but many, many people are afraid to say it, lest they offend and receive a lecture or are shamed.

Odldly enough, these are often the same poeple who get irate when someone wants their religious display put up, displays their faith in public, or simply prefers Happy Holidays to Merry Christmas; and are quick to lecture others on why they shouild say Merry Christmas.

A private company is free to do whatever they want when it comes to how to celebrate a holiday, and customers are free to buy or not buy their product as a result.
 
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How are those margins compared to direct competitors? Just being curious,

Well you only have to say 1 trillion dollars to know how they compare. It doesn't take a genius to work out their margins are the healthiest in the business. You don't need to be curious any more George.
 
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Right? Lol, these people... *smh*
A lot of pine trees in Bethlehem, were there?? ;0)
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Quit being weird.

Want to go on a tirade against outdoorsmen... telling them there’s no hunting season?
How about against accountants... telling them there’s no tax season?

You’re pedantry here comes across more as petty desire to be irritated, for whatever reason... even during this lovely season. =)

Tax season? Is that another Americanism? Almost as annoying as when every SERIES of a show became a SEASON.
 
No, but many, many people are afraid to say it, lest they offend and receive a lecture or are shamed.

Probably from people like you.
You’re very assumptive. I don’t care if people say “Merry Christmas” or “happy holidays”. This whole idea that people get offended over the phrase “Merry Christmas” is bs.

70% of Americans are Christians, and 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas. There’s enough proof to debunk the “war on Christmas” narrative.
 
Only the Western people care about this nonsense thinking. Here in East Asian countires with the low percentage of Christians, we are free and willing to say Christmas every year.
You shouldn't characterize groups of millions of people into one homogeneous category. Rather than state "here in East Asian countries ... WE", you should say "here in East Asian countries ... I". The gist is that there are a multiplicity of holidays within the holiday season. Christmas is only one of them, though perhaps dominant in the West.
 
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The problem of saying "holidays" is it has no meaning, you talking about taking a summer holiday?, you talking about bank holidays? you talking about Easter holiday?

Now you can justify it by saying "well we all know what he means" but he should have the balls to say it...
He's just trying to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Frankly, I see nothing wrong about saying "happy <whatever>" - where "whatever" in the U.S. could be any of the following: https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/ - but it's much simpler to wish folks "Happy Holidays". Perhaps if Apple only catered to Christians you'd have a point. I'm amazed at how certain segments of the population can take a simple well wishing for your holidays with offense. As Scrooge would say, "Bah, Humbug!".
 
Some facts (or near facts), for sake of argument:

* Most scholars agree December 25 was not the exact date of Christ birth. Not knowing the exact date doesn’t have any bearing on the sincerity of someone’s faith, nor discredit thousands of historical manuscripts writing of the existence of Christ and how the world changed after His birth.

* There are other holidays happening during this time. Saying “happy holidays” shouldn’t make anyone upset if you are comfortable and sincere in your faith (whatever faith that is).
 
All the gripes about not using the word Christmas - enough already. So those who complain don’t accept the good wishes for the holidays? It is a bad thing to wish someone happiness or the best for the holidays? Is it truly so bad to wish everyone happiness, regardless of their belief system. Do I really have to list all the possible combinations of Holidays to make sure any individual belief is not offended or left out? The real “Political Correctness” flaw is the perception some have that their particularl belief must be catered to specifically. “I’m a Christian, so you had better wish me a Merry CHRISTmas”. And if you don’t wish me a Merry Christmas, it is a WAR on Christmas. It is not sufficient to wish me and my family the best for the holidays, it only counts if you cater to my personal belief system and use my “label” in the greeting.

Get over yourselves. You may give, and I shall except your greetings, however you would like to personally give them. Even if I am not Christian, I can except your wishes as warm and well-intentioned. And I would never be so rude as to correct you and say, “ummm, I’m not a Christian, could you please wish me a Happy Hanukkah, etc. But, similarly, if someone gives you a wish, they are the author, it need not be the way YOU would offer the greeting or wish. So could everyone stop being ridiculous and so “offended” because the person who gives a greeting expresses it based on THEIR belief system or sensitivities.

Happy Holidays Everyone! I truly wish all of you, your families and friends the very best the season has to offer.
 
Well, it’s Hanukkah NOW (I’m particularly looking at you, Naraxussy: it is Hanukkah). It’s not Christmas for another two and a half weeks. You want people to ignore Hanukkah on Hanukkah and wish everyone Merry Christmas? In poker that’s called a tell.
Tim's politics expressly prohibit a belief system where a diety imposes his/her values onto a person. Anyone who follows the umpteenth Macrumors posts about Tim's value statements knows this is true. Tim is selling another mistruth to praise unnamed December holidays in order to, one imagines, gin up more good feeling for Apple at peak buying season.
 
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He's just trying to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Frankly, I see nothing wrong about saying "happy <whatever>" - where "whatever" in the U.S. could be any of the following: https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/ - but it's much simpler to wish folks "Happy Holidays". Perhaps if Apple only catered to Christians you'd have a point. I'm amazed at how certain segments of the population can take a simple well wishing for your holidays with offense. As Scrooge would say, "Bah, Humbug!".
The problem is you want to use a word, but then you make it so generic that the word has no-meaning any more... job done?
 
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What “holidays” are you referring to?

Also, many non-Christians celebrate Christmas, so the population of Christians is irrelevant.

But of course, you know that. You just wanted to appear clever.
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No, but many, many people are afraid to say it, lest they offend and receive a lecture or are shamed.

Probably from people like you.

Lol, I was referring to the myriad of holidays celebrated across the globe during this season, aptly dubbed “the holiday season”.
Haha, I never considered that my simple, honest, & forthright comment would make me “appear clever”, but I suppose, now that you mention it... it certainly does, in direct comparison! ;0)

Double lol at your “probably from people like you” comment...
Why is that all your ilk are so ridiculously angry, grumpy, & grinch-like; whilst claiming your issue is not being able to properly spread holiday cheer??!!
Seems SUPER disingenuous. I severely doubt that you’re the least bit pleasant, at any time of the year!!! =)
 
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All the gripes about not using the word Christmas - enough already. So those who complain don’t accept the good wishes for the holidays? It is a bad thing to wish someone happiness or the best for the holidays? Is it truly so bad to wish everyone happiness, regardless of their belief system. Do I really have to list all the possible combinations of Holidays to make sure any individual belief is not offended or left out? The real “Political Correctness” flaw is the perception some have that their particularl belief must be catered to specifically. “I’m a Christian, so you had better wish me a Merry CHRISTmas”. And if you don’t wish me a Merry Christmas, it is a WAR on Christmas. It is not sufficient to wish me and my family the best for the holidays, it only counts if you cater to my personal belief system and use my “label” in the greeting.

Get over yourselves. You may give, and I shall except your greetings, however you would like to personally give them. Even if I am not Christian, I can except your wishes as warm and well-intentioned. And I would never be so rude as to correct you and say, “ummm, I’m not a Christian, could you please wish me a Happy Hanukkah, etc. But, similarly, if someone gives you a wish, they are the author, it need not be the way YOU would offer the greeting or wish. So could everyone stop being ridiculous and so “offended” because the person who gives a greeting expresses it based on THEIR belief system or sensitivities.

Happy Holidays Everyone! I truly wish all of you, your families and friends the very best the season has to offer.
Very well said. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and the fam. :)
 
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Only the Western people care about this nonsense thinking. Here in East Asian countires with the low percentage of Christians, we are free and willing to say Christmas every year.
Not sure what your point is, though being free to say it is the issue. The angry right here seems to demand it be said.
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Western people really have no problem with saying Christmas either. All the other words for these holidays were invented purely to wind up those people who get wound up about these things.
Wow pretty dismissive of other cultures, religions don't you think? Invented words?
 
Gosh I am so sick of that song and she is not a good singer either.

Interesting that you say that. In my family we have been referring to the Idina Menzel version as the ”release the cat” (let it go?) version of the song compared to the Demi Lovato version which we think is quite a lot better. Demi doesn't have that not very pleasant nasal sounding voice Idina sometimes have.

While I think the song is okay it feels a bit ”strained” at times.

But when it comes to music it's to each and their own I guess. :)
 
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