don't really care either way, just innovate and stop with the social issue BS. Im tried of it. I could care less what you are, the color you are, and who you like. its annoying as hell.
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Ah, the old "I'm not a bigot, you hating bigoted people makes you the real bigot" argument. There really should be a name for that now as it gets used enough.
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Let's stop awareness campaigns in this social age because Blacktape242 is tired of them.
(pssst. You being the superhero saviour you are might be totally fine with people of different colours and backgrounds - many aren't. I think it's great that one of the most known companies in the world engages in progressive movements like this. Anything to make the world a little better)
I don't agree with homosexual and frankly I think homosexuality is disgusting... Though, I don't discriminate them and I will respect each individual as human being.
That's being said, just because they face some discrimination, doesn't mean they need to public and yelling to everyone they are guy. And to be homosexual is nothing to be proud of, it is outside of social norm. If someone is homosexual, just be homosexual, you don't need tell everyone homosexual. Hetrosexual couples don't force homosexual accept their sexual orientation, however, it seems homosexual people always wants heterosexual people accept homosexuality and if you don't agree, then you are discriminatory and not politically correct.
Once again, if someone is member of LGBT, keep it private. No need tell the world that you are gay. Being homosexual isn't something like get Olympic champion.
The reason I don't believe is because it doesn't make any sense, I stopped believing at age 7, the same time as I stopped believing in santa, that didn't make sense either. I didn't need proof, people who believe in a god class have a very different definition of proof than I do. Your justification is exactly why I don't believe; "in a way you will know" - all 'she / he' has to do is show everyone at once, just get on with it and stop messing about. The reason it doesn't happen? It can't happen.
You won't agree as you simply don't want to, you don't really question, if you did you would be on the outside looking in and see that religion is all just about whatever people want to believe. Maybe it's warmer on the inside, but I like it out here, my life has been good, I've made my own luck. Religion relies on people spreading the same story and convincing people that it's real. If I wanted to believe I'm sure I could see a miracle in many things.
It's really great that you and so many others get peace and happiness from your religion, I have no desire to take that away from anyone. There lies a big issue - I'm happy to live my life without telling others how to think, yet so many people with religion in their veins feel the need to preach to those who don't want to hear it. A christian would want me to believe everything they told me, yet wouldn't want to hear what a muslim had to tell them. Why? What makes one right and another wrong? They may agree on some elements but ultimately they believe in different things.
Religion is a great tool for so many, it gives people happiness, and allows them to be content that their loved ones have gone to a good place and that one day they will follow (if they are good of course). Religion was most likely invented by the village elders to keep the plebs in order. How convenient that an all-seeing being is watching their every move.
In many places religion is still used as a tool to control, from getting the congregation to continue to fund the church (and the wages and building costs of course) through to ISIS using their own version of Islam to justify their actions and control the people. The Vatican is no different to scientology, just the latter came along much more recently and isn't as believed, but both exist to tell people what to do and generate as much money as possible. Parents use it to keep their children in check - god is watching and all that.
If there was a god it would be so simple to convert the world and stop the decline of the church - just do one amazing thing. Any being that can create an entire world in 6 days could easily put on a bit of a show so there was no doubt they existed. Yet the news isn't full of miracles, it's full of hurt and misery, war, death, murder. Any 'being' that allows children to be raped and murdered when it could be stopped isn't worthy of being worshipped. I'm sure there is some despicable explanation as to why it can't be stopped but the same 'god' can do other stuff to show its he / she is real.
Hmmmmm....
However back to the plot and my biggest issue with religion. It creates hate. Any religion that tells people how to live their lives and tells people what to think of others is just wrong. It's a shame it can't just be about good and spreading love. Telling people that homosexuality is wrong is wrong in itself, and people use that as justification for their bigotry. Around the world religion is at the heart of so much unhappiness, war, aggression. For me it cancels out any of the good it does.
You don't need religion to be good. I helped people, I've spent years helping people, I set up a charity that helps people, thousands of people, it's changed lives, saved lives, made a huge difference. I've never charged anyone, and I've never taken a penny for myself. I've now moved on, I've retired I suppose. In some ways it was my religion but there was no god, and I never told anyone how to live, never tried to get anyone to join me, I helped without needing them to do anything.
I think evryone should live their lives as they see fit as long as they are not hurting anybody. What has it got to do with me who someone loves, what they believe, or what they have for breakfast? Just don't try and tell me what I can and can't do and think. Then we can all get along just fine!
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Huh? Heterosexual couples get married, live together, walk around holding hands, and that's fine - right? Yet you wouldn't like 2 guys or gals doing the same? Why? If the straight couple can then surely they are asking for people to accept them.
Your argument is incredibly flawed (not to mention very badly written) and simply shows your ignorance im afraid. And you do realise 'LGBT' isn't actually a club don't you?
I'm getting married next year, and I will tell the world (well, locally, around my village anyway!), why couldn't a gay couple do the same thing? I'm going to suggest you stop trying to justify your bigotry now and just find something else to do instead, it's making you look very silly.
Wherever you guys stand in religious perspective, this is a damn with lucky charm cereal written over on watch band. If you are gay, fine and if you are religious that's fine as well but no need to attack each other here. Don't believe in God that's fine as well as those who do. We should be respectful here to each other and not that villanrodent guy.
Oh brother, another angry gay viewpoint. You and Warheadz (love you darling!) should compare notes.
But tell me this, what is an LBGT+? What does the "+" mean? Cisgender? Transvestite? Gender binary? Gender Tripartite? Cross-dresser? Drag queen? Ladyboy? Or is it just a catch-all for anything sexual that anyone wants to call themselves? Seriously, I want to know.
The original post mentions that Apple's been supportive of this social issue for 30 years.
Three decades.
I'd imagine that's probably not ever going to change, and will continue to be around during periods of frequent innovation, as well as during periods of less frequent innovation.
It was an employee that leaked this on Reddit, wasn't it? Apple didn't actually say anything themselves, did they?
I think you went just a weensy bit too far the other way, my friend. Can't win the war if you can't really recognize the bad guys.
When, where, how and why one becomes gay is completely irrelevant. Pre-ejaculation or post-uterus it absolutely doesn't matter. If it is in my genes or if it is because of Mr. Gene, it's definitely none of your business.
After reading all the negligent rubbish on this thread I'm seriously considering to change my sexuality, skin color, race and religion on a daily base just to balance out your short visioned way of thinking. Black Indian gay Jew on Wednesday? Check. Chinese bi Hindu on Friday? Done deal! I'd however skip Caucasian white straight Christian Sundays. Sundays are boring.
I'm not filled with a desire for revenge. You have some really strange bizarre ideas about gay people. And you couldn't be more wrong.
The irony in your very ignorant statement, is that religion has been used as a weapon to beat gay people over the head with for a great many decades.
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Yes, I am angry and quite rightly.Oh brother, another angry gay viewpoint. You and Warheadz (love you darling!) should compare notes.
But tell me this, what is an LBGT+? What does the "+" mean? Cisgender? Transvestite? Gender binary? Gender Tripartite? Cross-dresser? Drag queen? Ladyboy? Or is it just a catch-all for anything sexual that anyone wants to call themselves? Seriously, I want to know.
The + is used to include other queer minorities that do not necessarily pertain to Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender. It allows inclusion for the entire umbrella of minority sexualities and gender identities.
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Any homophobia, no matter how small, contributes to the negative perception of LGBT+ people worldwide.
No. Not the same. With unmarried heterosexuals, there is a path to be together and not be frowned upon. Your religion gives gay people no such path. Thus it is not the same at all.
If you expect me and all gay people to live a life of solitude or loneliness through no fault of our own while the rest of you get to fall in love and have your relationships I can tell you that idea is a non-starter and will never fly.
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What the hell? I think maybe you should stop trying to come up with answers. Those are horrible ideas. The butchest women in the world wouldn't do it for me. I'll stick with my husband thank you very much.Perhaps "girly" men should marry "manly" women, and limit the role-reversal to the bedroom (with marital devices)? Or every homosexual be allowed to become fully transgendered and seek heterosexual coupling (in their new role)?
Again, I don't know the answers to all questions, but I certainly can come up with some...
You also don't seem to understand the difference between gay people and transgendered people. Just because I want to be with a man doesn't mean that I want to become a woman. Far from it. I like being a guy. I'd never ever want to be a women.
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For you maybe. But don't presume to speak for everyone. My orientation has never changed. Ever.
I think orientation "changes" are really just denial.
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Sure. There's a one-way mission to Mars in the works. That might be the solution you are looking for.
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I don't know why you call yourself LovingTeddy here because your comments don't sound very loving at all. In fact they sound pretty hateful. But to your point, sure, I will be happy to keep it private when all the heterosexuals keep it private too. No more sappy movies, no more romance novels, no more photos on your desk, no more announcements in a newspaper....no holding hands somewhere....nothing.
Heterosexual Christians can't manage that very well either. In the good old days over 30% of he babies born to new mothers were 8# 8month premies.
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Okay, the utterly predictable has happened. The haters, shrouded in their comfy, internet-born anonymity, are yapping (say half this stuff in person to someone's face and see how quickly one gets punched in one's own) and folks are in full grievance-airing mode.
Can a mod kindly please lock this thread already?
Can a mod kindly please lock this thread already?
When in history has shutting down discussions ever helped? Much better to learn where people are coming from and have a dialog with one another. How else to hash things out as a society if we don't talk about them?
Yes, page after page of homophobic drivel, intolerant driveler-bashing, and last-word-itis really advances the debate. What was I thinking? I'm off to watch a six-hour Punch & Judy marathon.
I am very interested to learn about any occasion where a homosexual person pushed their orientation, or didn't accept or agreed with the orientation of their straight brethren. Never happened, never will be. Unless you have some news sources I don't know of? Please share the links. We're all waiting!
No, you focused on extreme, implausible, and provocative examples.
As far as assisted suicide is concerned, as I stated before, consent is not the argument for GLBT rights. Consent is a reason why certain "arguments" offered against GLBT rights (such as pedophilia) are invalid.
Assisted suicide is an issue for those with fatal, debilitating illnesses who want the right to die with dignity. That is a group that cuts across many demographics. Most of my family is more conservative, generally, than I am. But almost to a person, they have set up Advance Directives and other legal documents giving medical professionals instructions to withhold heroic lifesaving measures if there is no hope of recovery.
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It's a forum right? I can have my opinion can't I? Or can I?
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It's quite the weak argument isn't it. Hate does not ever win against hate.
So essentially you find a state of being disgusting - so do you think it is ok for people to decide they don't like african americans (For example) and find them disgusting? Because this is the same thing. The only disgusting person is you for projecting your hatred onto people who can not change who they are.
Um yes they do - I see straight couples hug and kiss in public all the time. I see them hold hands int he street. I see them together as couples - that is forcing others to accept their orientation.
THERE IS NOTHING TO 'AGREEE' WITH. People DO NOT decide to be gay. I think people like you prove why people would not choose to be gay, because it often leads down a road of abuse, hatred and mental illness.
So should straight couples never show any affection outside their own homes?
You chose to be a Christain. People are not born as religious, it is a belief that is taught by parents and then retained. I was brought up catholic by my parents, and when I was old enough to think for myself, continued with this belief (albeit disagreeing with some teachings). You have every opportunity to leave your religion for another, or to become an atheist. It isn't hard to do. Unless you're fluid (and thus essentially attracted to both sexes) homosexuals can not change what sex they are attracted to, and if you think that they deserve to live horrible lives because of that, that doesn't really align with Jesus's teachings.
The way you wrote it smacks of arrogance.
So if you're using Leviticus as your moral compass, then I certainly hope you don't eat crustaceans, I hope you make all your own clothes out of one fabric, I hope you never tear your clothes, I hope you follow every other teaching in leviticus. I assume also if you're depending on the old testament, you also belief that women are inferior to men in pretty much every way.
The bible was written in a very different time, and for many sections we can not be sure exactly what is being referred to. Some thing that references to homosexuality were not homosexuality as it is known today.
The new testament makes so little reference to homosexuality it is not funny. Jesus NEVER talks about it. He talks about a man leaving his parents to marry a woman (not the correct quote of course) but doesn't condemn homosexuals with that passage.
If theres anything to base morality off, it would be the teachings of Jesus.
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Because neither can give consent. There is nothing about two men or two women that prevent consent from being given.
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And this is the position that causes mental illness and succeed. This 'I still love them' is complete crap. You're essentially telling LGBT teenagers that they're set up for a life where they're not allowed the same lifestyle that heterosexual people are 'allowed'. This view essentially says "God made you different so you can essentially have a life where you can never love or be loved in the same way that these other people who were lucky enough to be born straight". It makes no sense whatsoever.
Except if you're born gay and you get to have a semi miserable life.
But its fine for you to spew your hatred? Just because you dress it up as "I still love them", doesn't really make it any much better.
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You don't know that, any more than i know. I believe in one God, but I accept others believe different things.
Never ceases to amaze me how many people will take parts of the Bible literally word for word, happy to let other bits slide and twist others just to fit their agenda and justify their prejudices.
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To you.
Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims* and Jews* would disagree.
*OK, technically same god, different story.
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