I don't understand why religion had to be brought into this thread. I'm glad Apple is doing this and embracing equality. We're talking about a large population that has suffered discrimination as bad or worse than what minorities have faced. Many are killed every year around the world for being themselves and it's a disgrace. They are finally getting the rights everyone else has and being able to live their lives without hiding who they are.
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The United States is... Not very compassionate. But rule them out and look at every other developed country.
We've ditched capital punishment. We've got strict laws against torture and cruel punishments. We protect the rights of everyone, even criminals. We have healthcare free at the point of use. With each passing year there's more thought and experiments happening in a basic income to ensure that no human in the developed world goes without the basic needs of life.
We've had a complete upending of the existing prejudices of 100 years ago and now gay people, black people, disabled people, they're looked at as equal by most of us and we're closer to true equality each and every year.
We're currently living in one of the most peaceful times that our society has seen. And you're less likely to be the victim of a violent crime now than any time in the past.
What makes you think we were a more compassionate society in the past?
This is true. Even though at times it might seem like we're going backwards, change doesn't follow a straight line. The world is definitely a better place today and the future will be even better than today.
As much as you may say you view them as equal, the things your saying feed into homophobia. This kind of thinking contributes to it, even if you don't mean it to. That leads to gay kids the world over being bullied because of something they can't change.
And all I hope is that you think about your own children and what it will be life for them if one of them is gay and has to face this every day of his or her life. We've lost many lives to homophobia and I certainly don't want any of your children to come home beaten up or god forbid take their own life just because they couldn't help but love someone. And what we're trying to accomplish is a world where that simply won't ever happen.
Here is a New Testament for you. Being religious does’t mean living a godly life.
“For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.”
Romans 1:25-32
[doublepost=1529991143][/doublepost]Ok, just eanted to share this text from the Bible. Remember, God is the creator of the family, not government. Good govermnents would follow God, but we live in a corrupted world. I am not spreading hate or anything like that. I have gay friend and like him, respect him as a person, but still openly saying he lives a sinful life. Family is only a union between man and woman. No certificates will changed in God’s mind. He said it.
“The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.”
Genesis 2:22-25
Problem is people did not want to glorify God and live by His word:
“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.”
Romans 1:26-32
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Sure, but it doesn’t change the truth of the Bible
[doublepost=1529991268][/doublepost]I do not leave in US
Thanks for proving my my point.
You clearly know English biblical passages, but it is more evident you do not know the Bible itself.
You have FAILED to answer any of my questions - simply because it's obvious you don't know how to!
Good to know.
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Oh that's rich coming from you!
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Thirty years ago, the same president would have been an upstanding American, and the people who voted for him would have been upstanding American citizens. Now you can call him and them bigots and nobody comes after you with a pitchfork. You _are_ better off than you are thirty years ago.
On UK TV, they showed a program titled "It was alright at the time", mostly showing excerpts from TV programs from the 1970's. Young people between 20 and 30 look at it open mouthed and just can't believe the casual sexism, racism, homophobia that was shown on TV at the time.
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What nonsense. Do you actually believe this?
so becasue you're a lazy parent everyone else you deem "inappropriate" should just die?
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Want segregated buses just like in the good ol' days eh?
Some people believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it so.
You believing a person can be indoctrinated into homosexuality doesn't make it so.
Homosexual is not a lifestyle. That's like saying "heterosexual" is lifestyle. It literally just means who turns you on.
Pride parades will die down/become a monument when people like you stop ostracising them. You're adding fuel to the fire with your own homophobia.
Really? I have plenty of friends with children and none of them turned homophobic. That is, because they weren't homophobic to begin with. Those that were homophobic (and are not my friends, or not anymore) just use their child as an excuse to propagate their own homophobia.
Which pretty much feels like what you're doing now.
Good job on making your child fear diversity and making him think being different is wrong. Pretty sure many psychiatrists would have a lot to say about that, self-image and self-acceptance.
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We are talking about the law that states homosexuality is a sin which was written by Moises law after he “freed” the Israelites, evidencee of him never existing? Isn’t the opening of the Red Sea enough proof? Don’t confuse things according to your own book Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to prostitution, stealing, mutilation, and rape and not homosexuality.
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What does gravity have to do with a deity? Gravity is there you experience it, everyone in the world at any moment can, and there’s no need to see it, unlike a deity which none sees, feels, or experiences, and don’t come with the “faith” excuse that’s just something religious make up for the lack of reason to explain what they can’t.
I was asked for a source, so I provided one. The post references specific polls. Even if the margin of error is 50% in those polls, it is a huge deviation from single percentage points that you and others claim.Oh dear, that is not an “article”, it’s a personal essay from a website that encourages any random person to post their random opinions. It offers no citations, only vaguely mentioning “polls” that may or may not exist and certainly weren’t scientific. It’s hysteria.
Here’s a real article with real citations to real (CDC) information
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com...king-kids-about-their-sexual-orientation/amp/
TLDR: about 8%
I don’t think the poll mentioned in that hysterical personal essay you linked to actually exists. But if it does, it’s very vague about what was actually asked. It sounds like maybe they asked kids whether they’re “100% straight”, and (since scientific opinion since Kinsey holds that sexuality is a spectrum), many — and probably a larger percentage of girls — answered “no.”
That opinion piece is so alarmist it would be comical were it not so depressing.
Lets start picking it apart.
To start with, the author conflates LGBT and Gay. G is the G in LGBT. Usually just for gay men where L is for Lesbian, B is for Bisexual and T is for Trans.
She states that the studies show over half of youths identify as LGBT then goes on to talk about homosexuality (and wrongly says scientists aren't studying what makes people gay), again forgetting the B and the T. (EDIT: I'd like to also point out that the referenced yougov study made no mention of Trans youth nor used the LGBT acronym and was merely looking at the Kinsey scale which is a proposed measure of sexuality from 100% homo to 100% hetero)
The studies actually showed that 50% of young people didn't identify as "100% heterosexual". Which means they may have just the teeniest tiniest sexual attraction towards people of the same sex but not act on it. The same study still showed that 4% of British adults identified as purely homosexual. 19% somewhere between and 72% as purely heterosexual.
46% of youths described themselves as 100% straight on a sliding scale to 6% exclusively homosexual.
She laments the lost opportunity for these youths to form straight relationships but fails to point out that only 6% of those youths aren't attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Talk about mass hysteria.
Oh, and if you'd like to read one of the studies this is based on:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/08/16/half-young-not-heterosexual/
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Lol, too bad killing gays will not stop people from being gay, or do anything else really except exemplify the horrible, twisted side of humanity that seeks to destroy itself because of ignorance and baseless fear.
Nothing can stop gays from existing. Ever. Cry moar?
[doublepost=1530019293][/doublepost]And this is all very nice and all, but, honestly I can’t help but have a part of me feel (some) of these corporations are using the LGBT+ community to seem more “human” or grounded and sell more products in the end. -_-
I can only hope I am wrong. Tim being openly gay himself and standing in the crowd hurts my theory in this case. But others? Idk...
People might choose to believe in a flying spaghetti monster (or other god), but that doesn't mean it's there.
The argument for the Christian God is that it's an all-powerful, omniscient being that created at least one universe with trillions of galaxies and billions of stars in each, and chose to impregnate a teenage girl on a smallish planet and then walk around on that planet as her offspring for a few tens of revolutions of that planet around its star, borrowing some of that offspring's biography from myths that the humans had already created.
The universe is so mindbogglingly vast, and humans' place in space and time is so vanishingly small that it's not very credible to think our planet, our species, our individual selves, or who we love or marry matters at all in the overall scheme of things.
Where it does matter is to ourselves. Humans may not have had a fraction as long on this earth (so far) as the dinosaurs did, but we are here now, and our lives do seem long on our human scale. Someone above said that humanism is Christianity without a Christ figure. It could also be said that Christianity is humanism skinned in mythology.
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What does that even mean.
“You and others claim” - I personally am not claiming anything, I’m citing recent CDC polling data that says 8%. I’d rather rely on hard data than some hysterical personal rant with no citations..?
If you look a couple of posts up you'll see I linked to one of the studies that, as expected doesn't really explain the hysteria in the opinion piece.
yeah but it was a bad source...
so your basing your claims on such a source makes it as valid as flat earthers basing their theories on some UN logos.
The board still got rid of him.
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Still better than Tim Cook the books.
They did.
But we are talking about a CEO position, and if a CEO didn't perform well, he would surely get the boot.
That time when Steve was ousted was a different situation entirely. Sculley and Apple's BOD couldn't stand Jobs' erratic behavior anymore. They actually had offered Jobs a creative position, but Jobs refused to give up the control he had. So they ousted him (an oversimplification, of course).
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Actually, he wasn't.
Although the Macintosh came out with a bang, sales dropped off quickly. The Lisa was a dud as well (thanks to Jobs "sabotaging" it).
Irrelevant question.
Anyway, the original claim was Tim Cook being not a good CEO.
I argued that if he wasn't, he would've been booted out by the BOD.
Steve Jobs being ousted actually had no relevance in the argument to begin with, and I was correcting another poster that Jobs was not Apple's CEO when he was ousted. So I say our conversation about this is already way OT.
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Our company particated Toronto Pride prade and we stright employee have no problem with that. After all, we are all human beings and sex orentation has nothing to do with work.
My view is as relevant as yours. They just shouldn’t mix business and politics. Not everyone supports the LGBT community.
I'm not telling Apple what to do. You are. Apple are free to support or not support Pride. That's my view. That's the difference.