Apple Celebrates Pride in San Francisco Parade

[lec0rsaire]

I don't understand why religion had to be brought into this thread. I'm glad Apple is doing this and embracing equality. We're talking about a large population that has suffered discrimination as bad or worse than what minorities have faced. Many are killed every year around the world for being themselves and it's a disgrace. They are finally getting the rights everyone else has and being able to live their lives without hiding who they are.

 

[bandrews]

You see, but you do not observe.

Oh believe me, my eyes are a lot more open to critical thinking than yours.

 

[Fugabutacus]

I actually don’t think people are more compassionate now.

The United States is... Not very compassionate. But rule them out and look at every other developed country.

We've ditched capital punishment. We've got strict laws against torture and cruel punishments. We protect the rights of everyone, even criminals. We have healthcare free at the point of use. With each passing year there's more thought and experiments happening in a basic income to ensure that no human in the developed world goes without the basic needs of life.

We've had a complete upending of the existing prejudices of 100 years ago and now gay people, black people, disabled people, they're looked at as equal by most of us and we're closer to true equality each and every year.

We're currently living in one of the most peaceful times that our society has seen. And you're less likely to be the victim of a violent crime now than any time in the past.

What makes you think we were a more compassionate society in the past?

 

[lec0rsaire]

We've had a complete upending of the existing prejudices of 100 years ago and now gay people, black people, disabled people, they're looked at as equal by most of us and we're closer to true equality each and every year.

This is true. Even though at times it might seem like we're going backwards, change doesn't follow a straight line. The world is definitely a better place today and the future will be even better than today.

 

[Fugabutacus]

However, it is still my right to guard my child from the homosexual lifestyle, especially, because I firmly believe that a person can either be born a homosexual or be indoctrinated into homosexuality. My strong belief is that an exposure to homosexual behavior or propaganda at an early age can screw with a child's psyche and could very well set a child on a homosexual lifestyle track. So, please, dear LGBTQ people, go get married and live happily thereafter - I fully support your rights and I do not want to discriminate against your anywhere. However, please stay the hell away from my child.

As much as you may say you view them as equal, the things your saying feed into homophobia. This kind of thinking contributes to it, even if you don't mean it to. That leads to gay kids the world over being bullied because of something they can't change.

And all I hope is that you think about your own children and what it will be life for them if one of them is gay and has to face this every day of his or her life. We've lost many lives to homophobia and I certainly don't want any of your children to come home beaten up or god forbid take their own life just because they couldn't help but love someone. And what we're trying to accomplish is a world where that simply won't ever happen.

 

[TiggrToo]

Here is a New Testament for you. Being religious does’t mean living a godly life.

“For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:25-32‬



[doublepost=1529991143][/doublepost]Ok, just eanted to share this text from the Bible. Remember, God is the creator of the family, not government. Good govermnents would follow God, but we live in a corrupted world. I am not spreading hate or anything like that. I have gay friend and like him, respect him as a person, but still openly saying he lives a sinful life. Family is only a union between man and woman. No certificates will changed in God’s mind. He said it.

“The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:22-25‬

Problem is people did not want to glorify God and live by His word:

“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:26-32‬




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Sure, but it doesn’t change the truth of the Bible🙂
[doublepost=1529991268][/doublepost]I do not leave in US🙂

Thanks for proving my my point.

You clearly know English biblical passages, but it is more evident you do not know the Bible itself.

You have FAILED to answer any of my questions - simply because it's obvious you don't know how to!

Good to know.
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You see, but you do not observe.

Oh that's rich coming from you!

 

[Kulfon]

Ok, so what theological question you want me to answer?

...

 

[gnasher729]

Is any of this stuff even having an effect on our society? I mean, I see bigotry running rampant every day. The president is bigoted, the people who voted him in are bigoted... we are no better off than we were thirty years ago..

Thirty years ago, the same president would have been an upstanding American, and the people who voted for him would have been upstanding American citizens. Now you can call him and them bigots and nobody comes after you with a pitchfork. You _are_ better off than you are thirty years ago.

On UK TV, they showed a program titled "It was alright at the time", mostly showing excerpts from TV programs from the 1970's. Young people between 20 and 30 look at it open mouthed and just can't believe the casual sexism, racism, homophobia that was shown on TV at the time.
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How can a straight person (guy or girl) work for Apple anymore? Imagine receiving a corporate email announcing the Apple’s participation in the 2018 LGBTQ parade. What goes on in the back of a straight person’s mind? “I really don’t want to do this, but I have a dream job, a family, a couple car payments, and a mortgage. If I don’t go, my career is goong nowhere. So, I have to bite the bullet and go. I have to take selfies with my boss and his boss and, hopefully, a few execs and post them on my social media to make sure everyone knows that I participated and had a lot of fun.”

What nonsense. Do you actually believe this?

 

[Ploki]

The App Store pictures have women being intimate with each other--not knocking boots, but clearly being romantic. I feel the exact same about heterosexual apps. I don't recall Apple "featuring" eHarmony Apps with intimate couples and I wouldn't want to see it. A 9 year old goes there for games. I don't want to explain complex social interactions to a child.

so becasue you're a lazy parent everyone else you deem "inappropriate" should just die?
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However, it is still my right to guard my child from the homosexual lifestyle, especially, because I firmly believe that a person can either be born a homosexual or be indoctrinated into homosexuality. My strong belief is that an exposure to homosexual behavior or propaganda at an early age can screw with a child's psyche and could very well set a child on a homosexual lifestyle track. So, please, dear LGBTQ people, go get married and live happily thereafter - I fully support your rights and I do not want to discriminate against your anywhere. However, please stay the hell away from my child.

Want segregated buses just like in the good ol' days eh?

Some people believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it so.
You believing a person can be indoctrinated into homosexuality doesn't make it so.
Homosexual is not a lifestyle. That's like saying "heterosexual" is lifestyle. It literally just means who turns you on.
Pride parades will die down/become a monument when people like you stop ostracising them. You're adding fuel to the fire with your own homophobia.

Well, you won't understand until or unless you have a child.

Really? I have plenty of friends with children and none of them turned homophobic. That is, because they weren't homophobic to begin with. Those that were homophobic (and are not my friends, or not anymore) just use their child as an excuse to propagate their own homophobia.
Which pretty much feels like what you're doing now.

Good job on making your child fear diversity and making him think being different is wrong. Pretty sure many psychiatrists would have a lot to say about that, self-image and self-acceptance. 😀

 

[1050792]

When one runs the most valuable in the world publicly trading company and makes marching in an LGBTQ parade a company policy, this is forcing the LGBTQ agenda down the throats of those who do not subscribe to the LGBTQ agenda. Like I said before, Tim Cook should march in these parades as a private citizen instead of making this an Apple corporate policy.
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This insult was addressed to me, and I'm not a baby boomer.
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According to this article called "The Rainbow Ate My Daughter," 52% of 13-20 year-olds identify themselves as LGBTQ. In the UK, 54% of 18-24 year-olds identify themselves as LGBTQ. I hope you are happy as to the effectiveness of the LGBTQ propaganda. Tim Cook is not wasting time or money on his social agenda; LGBTQ community is very effective in converting the youth to the LGBTQ lifestyle.
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Well, you won't understand until or unless you have a child.
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Actually, in an ideal world, Christmas should be celebrated at home, and companies should not be involved in any religious or political activity whatsoever. As a non-Christian, I would rather live in a society whose public holidays were not based on any particular religious holidays. Let employees decide for which religious holidays they want to take time off.
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I am not a Christian, but I know very well that there's nothing in the Christian bible about homosexuality. But, the Jewish Bible clearly condemns homosexuality, and it is not a matter of translation. It is written there in Hebrew. Having said that, Christianity has been practicing the "replacement theology" for two millennia now. This doctrine rejects the Hebrew bible (aka Old Testament) and claims that Jesus has canceled all the laws and replaced them with just a couple. So, it is completely natural for a Christian to claim that Jesus did not condemn homosexuality because, in fact, there is nothing in the Christian bible (aka New Testament) mentioned about this topic. Homosexuality is not condoned or condemned in the New Testament.

All of this aside, it should not be a business of ours, the mere mortals, to pass a judgment on homosexuals. God has all the power He needs to make His own judgment. This is a refreshing thought because it relieves us of the necessity to juxtapose the Bible with Civil Rights. As decent humans, we should support equality even for those with whom we disagree.

However, it is still my right to guard my child from the homosexual lifestyle, especially, because I firmly believe that a person can either be born a homosexual or be indoctrinated into homosexuality. My strong belief is that an exposure to homosexual behavior or propaganda at an early age can screw with a child's psyche and could very well set a child on a homosexual lifestyle track. So, please, dear LGBTQ people, go get married and live happily thereafter - I fully support your rights and I do not want to discriminate against your anywhere. However, please stay the hell away from my child.
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There is scientific proof that Moses has never existed? Would you care to share a few? And, by the way, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah happened in the days of Abraham, who argued and pleaded with God to save the people and not to destroy them, but both cities were nevertheless destroyed. This was about 500 years before Moses received the Torah on Mount Sinai. You are quite an erudite and a biblical scholar, as I can see.

We are talking about the law that states homosexuality is a sin which was written by Moises law after he “freed” the Israelites, evidencee of him never existing? Isn’t the opening of the Red Sea enough proof? Don’t confuse things according to your own book Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to prostitution, stealing, mutilation, and rape and not homosexuality.
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Sure, I do understand. People might choose not to believe in gravity, but it doesn’t mean it is not there.

What does gravity have to do with a deity? Gravity is there you experience it, everyone in the world at any moment can, and there’s no need to see it, unlike a deity which none sees, feels, or experiences, and don’t come with the “faith” excuse that’s just something religious make up for the lack of reason to explain what they can’t.

 

[sirozha]

Oh dear, that is not an “article”, it’s a personal essay from a website that encourages any random person to post their random opinions. It offers no citations, only vaguely mentioning “polls” that may or may not exist and certainly weren’t scientific. It’s hysteria.

Here’s a real article with real citations to real (CDC) information 🙂
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com...king-kids-about-their-sexual-orientation/amp/
TLDR: about 8%

I don’t think the poll mentioned in that hysterical personal essay you linked to actually exists. But if it does, it’s very vague about what was actually asked. It sounds like maybe they asked kids whether they’re “100% straight”, and (since scientific opinion since Kinsey holds that sexuality is a spectrum), many — and probably a larger percentage of girls — answered “no.”

I was asked for a source, so I provided one. The post references specific polls. Even if the margin of error is 50% in those polls, it is a huge deviation from single percentage points that you and others claim.

 

[bandrews]

I was asked for a source, so I provided one. The post references specific polls. Even if the margin of error is 50% in those polls, it is a huge deviation from single percentage points that you and others claim.

That opinion piece is so alarmist it would be comical were it not so depressing.

Lets start picking it apart.

To start with, the author conflates LGBT and Gay. G is the G in LGBT. Usually just for gay men where L is for Lesbian, B is for Bisexual and T is for Trans.

She states that the studies show over half of youths identify as LGBT then goes on to talk about homosexuality (and wrongly says scientists aren't studying what makes people gay), again forgetting the B and the T. (EDIT: I'd like to also point out that the referenced yougov study made no mention of Trans youth nor used the LGBT acronym and was merely looking at the Kinsey scale which is a proposed measure of sexuality from 100% homo to 100% hetero)

The studies actually showed that 50% of young people didn't identify as "100% heterosexual". Which means they may have just the teeniest tiniest sexual attraction towards people of the same sex but not act on it. The same study still showed that 4% of British adults identified as purely homosexual. 19% somewhere between and 72% as purely heterosexual.

46% of youths described themselves as 100% straight on a sliding scale to 6% exclusively homosexual.

She laments the lost opportunity for these youths to form straight relationships but fails to point out that only 6% of those youths aren't attracted to people of the opposite sex.

Talk about mass hysteria. 🙄

Oh, and if you'd like to read one of the studies this is based on:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/08/16/half-young-not-heterosexual/

 

[Regbial]

I like how they celebrate Peide in Chechnya.

Lol, too bad killing gays will not stop people from being gay, or do anything else really except exemplify the horrible, twisted side of humanity that seeks to destroy itself because of ignorance and baseless fear.

Nothing can stop gays from existing. Ever. Cry moar?
[doublepost=1530019293][/doublepost]And this is all very nice and all, but, honestly I can’t help but have a part of me feel (some) of these corporations are using the LGBT+ community to seem more “human” or grounded and sell more products in the end. -_-

I can only hope I am wrong. Tim being openly gay himself and standing in the crowd hurts my theory in this case. But others? Idk...🙁

 

[doelcm82]

Sure, I do understand. People might choose not to believe in gravity, but it doesn’t mean it is not there.

People might choose to believe in a flying spaghetti monster (or other god), but that doesn't mean it's there.

The argument for the Christian God is that it's an all-powerful, omniscient being that created at least one universe with trillions of galaxies and billions of stars in each, and chose to impregnate a teenage girl on a smallish planet and then walk around on that planet as her offspring for a few tens of revolutions of that planet around its star, borrowing some of that offspring's biography from myths that the humans had already created.

The universe is so mindbogglingly vast, and humans' place in space and time is so vanishingly small that it's not very credible to think our planet, our species, our individual selves, or who we love or marry matters at all in the overall scheme of things.

Where it does matter is to ourselves. Humans may not have had a fraction as long on this earth (so far) as the dinosaurs did, but we are here now, and our lives do seem long on our human scale. Someone above said that humanism is Christianity without a Christ figure. It could also be said that Christianity is humanism skinned in mythology.

 

[unobtainium]

You really didn'tI'd beiieve random opinions over an "article" any day.

What does that even mean.

I was asked for a source, so I provided one. The post references specific polls. Even if the margin of error is 50% in those polls, it is a huge deviation from single percentage points that you and others claim.

“You and others claim” - I personally am not claiming anything, I’m citing recent CDC polling data that says 8%. I’d rather rely on hard data than some hysterical personal rant with no citations..?

 

[bandrews]

What does that even mean.

“You and others claim” - I personally am not claiming anything, I’m citing recent CDC polling data that says 8%. I’d rather rely on hard data than some hysterical personal rant with no citations..?

If you look a couple of posts up you'll see I linked to one of the studies that, as expected doesn't really explain the hysteria in the opinion piece.

 

[Ploki]

I was asked for a source, so I provided one. The post references specific polls. Even if the margin of error is 50% in those polls, it is a huge deviation from single percentage points that you and others claim.

yeah but it was a bad source...
so your basing your claims on such a source makes it as valid as flat earthers basing their theories on some UN logos.

 

[where is it]

Steve Jobs wasn't the CEO of Apple when he was ousted. The CEO was Sculley. Try again.

The board still got rid of him.
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He wasn’t brilliant at the time. He was reckless and unfocused, by his own admission.

Still better than Tim Cook the books.

 

[Ploki]

Sure, I do understand. People might choose not to believe in gravity, but it doesn’t mean it is not there.

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.

 

[pika2000]

The board still got rid of him.

They did.
But we are talking about a CEO position, and if a CEO didn't perform well, he would surely get the boot.

That time when Steve was ousted was a different situation entirely. Sculley and Apple's BOD couldn't stand Jobs' erratic behavior anymore. They actually had offered Jobs a creative position, but Jobs refused to give up the control he had. So they ousted him (an oversimplification, of course).
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Still better than Tim Cook the books.

Actually, he wasn't.
Although the Macintosh came out with a bang, sales dropped off quickly. The Lisa was a dud as well (thanks to Jobs "sabotaging" it).

 

[where is it]

They did.
But we are talking about a CEO position, and if a CEO didn't perform well, he would surely get the boot.

That time when Steve was ousted was a different situation entirely. Sculley and Apple's BOD couldn't stand Jobs' erratic behavior anymore. They actually had offered Jobs a creative position, but Jobs refused to give up the control he had. So they ousted him (an oversimplification, of course).
[doublepost=1530030989][/doublepost]
Actually, he wasn't.
Although the Macintosh came out with a bang, sales dropped off quickly. The Lisa was a dud as well (thanks to Jobs "sabotaging" it).

Were you on the board?

 

[pika2000]

Were you on the board?

Irrelevant question.

Anyway, the original claim was Tim Cook being not a good CEO.
I argued that if he wasn't, he would've been booted out by the BOD.
Steve Jobs being ousted actually had no relevance in the argument to begin with, and I was correcting another poster that Jobs was not Apple's CEO when he was ousted. So I say our conversation about this is already way OT.

 

[LovingTeddy]

I’m absolutely for real. I would not want to work for a company that officially participates in an LGBTQ parade just like I wouldn’t want to work for a company that officially supports a political party or a religious movement. In any of these scenarios, employees have to grapple with the corporate political or religious agenda imposed on them being in conflict with their personal beliefs.

I have no problem with Tim Cook participating in this event as a private citizen, but I absolity abhor his making this into the official Apple policy.

Our company particated Toronto Pride prade and we stright employee have no problem with that. After all, we are all human beings and sex orentation has nothing to do with work.

 

[69650]

Why shouldn't they? Because Shaun, UK said so?

My view is as relevant as yours. They just shouldn’t mix business and politics. Not everyone supports the LGBT community.

 

[TiggrToo]

My view is as relevant as yours. They just shouldn’t mix business and politics. Not everyone supports the LGBT community.

I'm not telling Apple what to do. You are. Apple are free to support or not support Pride. That's my view. That's the difference.