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Apple Celebrates Pride in San Francisco Parade
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Read the rest of the thread. That was a reply to another poster. This is a thread about LGBT issues after all...
Of course they are but I don’t think they should. If indivual employees want to march that’s fine but IMO Apple should not make it official policy to support any political or social causes because they are a company not a campaign.
Again, I am not trying to convince anybody. I am happy with the choices I made by the mercy of God...for this life and eternal life. People hate the odea of kneeling before God and want to walk their own ways. People hate the truth so much because it requires to give up on sinful life that they are attracted to. There is only one god that people are always ready to please - self. Just seeing people do everything that Bible says they would do without God is the biggest prove that it is the Holy word of a Holy God.
Now....people are free to worship whatever they want, just need to remember one thing: you become what you worship.
Now....people are free to worship whatever they want, just need to remember one thing: you become what you worship.
All companies support various social and political causes.
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Not everyone needs a “fear of god” in order to live a moral and ethical life.
Most good and successful companies takes a social stand today. If that bothers you, write to Tim about your complaims about Apple’s policies: tcook@apple.com
I’m sure that will convince him even more of the social importance of their engagement in the pride cause.
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You know, she doesn't care if it's L, G, B, T, or Q. She wants her kids to be S. Anything L, G, B, T, or Q is not S. Period. The fact that 52% of teenagers in the US and 54% of young people in the UK cannot identify themselves as 100% S is alarming for anyone who is not L, G, B, T, or Q. It's especially alarming for S parents who do not want their kids to be indoctrinated into L, G, B, T, or Q.That opinion piece is so alarmist it would be comical were it not so depressing.
Lets start picking it apart.
To start with, the author conflates LGBT and Gay. G is the G in LGBT. Usually just for gay men where L is for Lesbian, B is for Bisexual and T is for Trans.
She states that the studies show over half of youths identify as LGBT then goes on to talk about homosexuality (and wrongly says scientists aren't studying what makes people gay), again forgetting the B and the T. (EDIT: I'd like to also point out that the referenced yougov study made no mention of Trans youth nor used the LGBT acronym and was merely looking at the Kinsey scale which is a proposed measure of sexuality from 100% homo to 100% hetero)
The studies actually showed that 50% of young people didn't identify as "100% heterosexual". Which means they may have just the teeniest tiniest sexual attraction towards people of the same sex but not act on it. The same study still showed that 4% of British adults identified as purely homosexual. 19% somewhere between and 72% as purely heterosexual.
46% of youths described themselves as 100% straight on a sliding scale to 6% exclusively homosexual.
She laments the lost opportunity for these youths to form straight relationships but fails to point out that only 6% of those youths aren't attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Talk about mass hysteria.
Oh, and if you'd like to read one of the studies this is based on:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/08/16/half-young-not-heterosexual/
We can argue all day long if over 50% of young people not identifying themselves as S is alarming or not. It's obviously not alarming to you or to Tim Cook. It's very alarming to me and to this woman. I'm sure it's alarming to millions of others who are not bigots and who support your rights to be treated equally, but who do not want their children to become part of your lifestyle.
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I don't think that segregated buses will work. I think you guys stay on the left coast, and I will stay on the right coast or something like that.so becasue you're a lazy parent everyone else you deem "inappropriate" should just die?
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Want segregated buses just like in the good ol' days eh?
Some people believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it so.
You believing a person can be indoctrinated into homosexuality doesn't make it so.
Homosexual is not a lifestyle. That's like saying "heterosexual" is lifestyle. It literally just means who turns you on.
Pride parades will die down/become a monument when people like you stop ostracising them. You're adding fuel to the fire with your own homophobia.
Really? I have plenty of friends with children and none of them turned homophobic. That is, because they weren't homophobic to begin with. Those that were homophobic (and are not my friends, or not anymore) just use their child as an excuse to propagate their own homophobia.
Which pretty much feels like what you're doing now.
Good job on making your child fear diversity and making him think being different is wrong. Pretty sure many psychiatrists would have a lot to say about that, self-image and self-acceptance.
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I'm not basing my claims on this post. This post was recommend to me very recently and I was shocked by the numbers. Therefore, I'm willing to accept that the margin of error in the linked polls is huge, but even if the margin of error is 50%, it is still an extremely alarming statistic to me. I would never have guessed or assumed that the number of young people who do not identify themselves as straight exceeds 5-6%. Even if we are talking about 25%, this is a huge number, and I do not think they were all born L, G, B, T, or Q. Maybe 5-6% of people do get born as L, G, B, T, or Q, but not these kind of percentages.
If it is now cool to have a rainbow watch band or a rainbow watch face, why would it not be cool to sleep with someone of your own gender when you are a teenager? If I give my son an Apple watch for his birthday, the watch automatically comes with the LGBTQ watch face as one of a very limited set of watch faces. He doesn't need to go and seek out the watch face with the LGBTQ symbol. It's there for him to choose.
Why is it so important for Tim Cook to make this watch face part of the default set of watch faces, which is very limited in numbers to begin with? Why not make this watch face as an optional download? The reason is that Tim Cook wants teenagers to think it is cool to flaunt LGBTQ symbols, and therefore, I can't call this anything other than LGBTQ propaganda shoved down the throats of those who do not subscribe to this lifestyle. If this watch face were an optional download, I would have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with it.
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So, why does your company then participate in the Toronto Pride parade if this is not related to work?
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Writing to Tim Cook about people's concerns of his LGBTQ agenda at the helm of Apple is useless. He is doing this intentionally. The only way this would change if the Board of Directors or the Shareholders ousted him. The Board will never oust him - he pays them too well. The Shareholders are so splintered that this would never happen for whatever reason. The only way Tim will go is if Apple starts having hard times financially, which may not happen any time soon.
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No, it’s great for him and Apple to know how many homophobes there still are, and how important Apple’s social stands are in our world. It’s good for him to know about the mindsets of people. You didn’t think that I had hopes for any of the LGBTQ haters to be taken seriously, did you?
Your time is gone. I’m certain Tim have heard enough of your bigotry, to not be affected in any way of it today. We’re going towards a more openminded world, thankfully.
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I just don't see that happening nor can i find any credible research paper supporting the claims that LGBT awareness causes someone to be homosexual. It might cause more people to come out because its becoming less frowned upon, but that's it.
Well, because sleeping with someone is a whole nother ballpark, and even if teens sexually experiment that doesn't mean they're homosexual.
To put it bluntly, rainbows wont make your son gay. He either already is gay and is closeted, or he's straight.
(or too young to be sexually active)Hahahahaha! Seriously? The old “I’m not a bigot but....” line. Like “I like black people but wouldn’t want my kid marrying one”.
And you realise the 52% was “kids” 18-24. If they’re old enough to drive, buy a gun, get married, join the armed forces, they’re old enough to decide who they are sexually attracted to.
Seriously, it’s irrational - hysterical even to believe that there is some mass indoctrination going on. Maybe it’s because there are fewer parents who are freaked out at the idea that their son/daughter
I think it’s great to see Apple standing by a movement like this and producing some nice Pride related products too.
It’s also amusing to see homophobes who own iPhones and other Apple products whine about this sort of thing lol. Out of date people meet modern day products...
It’s also amusing to see homophobes who own iPhones and other Apple products whine about this sort of thing lol. Out of date people meet modern day products...
I don’t plan on having children biologically or through adoption. If I did have one though (and I regularly reconsider my decision there and consider how I’d parent), I wouldn’t be so worried about a peck on the lips at worst. They’d probably see me do that with my partner by then.
Now, for example, if they were exposed to making out or more than that on TV or in a movie before they need to be? Yeah, I’d probably take some issue with that. (Certainly not the end of the world like some here would have me believe, though.) But this logic applies to a couple of any two genders.
I really wouldn’t bother responding to ‘people’ who believe their children can be turned gay by being exposed to gay people lol. Christ on a bike where do these people come from? Haha!
The irony is that they were indoctrinated into thinking being gay is a sin. Nobody is born homophobic.
So I don't think you know what "fact" means... You keep quoting that ridiculous number from that absurd personal essay.
The numbers, as I showed, are about 8%. That's what Kinsey was saying way back in the 1950s. The numbers haven't changed because seeing gay people doesn't make you gay. It doesn't work that way.
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I'm not surprised those people still exist. The real head-scratcher for me is how you can have access to the internet, know about forums, even frequent a site like MacRumors and still hold such backwards views. That's just being wilfully ignorant.
I'm not surprised those people still exist. The real head-scratcher for me is how you can have access to the internet, know about forums, even frequent a site like MacRumors and still hold such backwards views. That's just being wilfully ignorant.
If you really hammer something in when they’re children, it sticks. Notice how adult converts tend to not be quite as... borderline delusional? You need a mushy child’s brain to really embed that level of hatred deep in there.
Which is quite upsetting to think about. Poor kids.
Wrong. I’m straight as an arrow and don’t care if someone is LGBTQ at all.
If you insist on falsely claiming being gay is a “lifestyle”, then yeah you are being bigoted
YOU and people like you are exactly why it’s so important to have events like Pride and for Tim Cook to put a rainbow watchface as a default option on the Apple Watch. It’s to show the world, particular the gay people, that not everyone is a bigot like you are. It’s to give them hope there will be a future where people like you are the minority or completely vanish and they don’t have to live in fear anymore of being judged and hated and harassed and killed for simply existing. You keep insisting your not a bigot, yet you keep making bigoted statements about peoples “lifestyle” and how S people will all be afraid and worried! You are twisting yourself in circles because you believe you’re a good person but you are espousing hateful views, so you use euphemisms and try and paint it as ok if it’s not “forced” on you or if it’s not “propaganda”. People were saying the same things back in the 60’s about blacks. The only agenda is equality. Gay people don’t want to make you OR your children gay, they just want people to be able to be who they were born to be and not be treated as second class (or worse) citizens for it. Being able to get married if you are gay isn’t a “lifestyle” anymore than it is if you are straight (or any thing in between). Telling people that being gay is ok isn’t “propaganda” anymore than telling someone that being a woman is ok, or being Asian is ok, or being short is ok.
If you want to really be a good person and not a bigot then you have to accept the simple fact that gay people are born that way and everyone (straight, gay, or whatever) deserves to be treated equally. If it’s ok for straight people to get married it’s gotta be ok for gay people. If straight people can hold hands in public, so can gay people. If straight people can do something so can gay people. Whichever gender you are attracted to should have zero impact on anything other than who you choose to date. It should be 100% ok to be gay or straight or whatever in society. Anything less is bigotry.
You can’t choose to be gay.
You can choose to be a bigot.
Make the right choice.
You are the very reason Apple supports the Pride movement and promotes it.
If I was Tim Cook my response to you would be to perhaps buy another companies products and take your appalling misinformed views with you.
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If you think I'm a bigot, you should go places and hang around with real homophobes - with those who deny LGBTQs the right to marry, those who speak of stoning or otherwise lynching LGBTQs, those who instill fear and hatred into their children about LGBTQ, etc. You really never traveled outside of your liberal bubble if you think I'm a bigot.
I'm not going to cry about you calling me a bigot. It really makes me laugh because the real right-wing homophobic bigots consider me an extreme liberal for my views. Since left-wing liberals like you obviously consider me a right-wing homophobic nut, I must be smack in the middle of the spectrum, and that's where I intend to remain.
I do not discriminate against LGBTQ, I support their rights to marry, inherit, etc., I always treat all people, including LGBTQ with respect. I just don't think they should be flaunting their LGBTQ identity (aka lifestyle) and try to influence kids who are in search of their own identity. By the same token, I don't think that the African American community should continue insisting that they are being oppressed. Today, an African American applying to an Ivy League school would have much better chances of being admitted (and of getting a scholarship) than my Caucasian child even if my child's SAT scores were better.
Is there a latent racism today? Of course there is. Not only latent white racism against blacks, but also latent black racism against whites. Is there an institutionalized racism in the US in the second decade of the 21st century? IMHO, there is not. In fact, institutions intentionally render preferential treatment to African Americans, and corporations are judged by their "diversity" percentages. Whereas the Affirmative Action had its place in the mid-to-late 20th century in the US, all it does today is serve as a tool of reverse discrimination.
The same is true with LGBTQ. Was the LGBTQ community persecuted in the past? Yes it was. Is it still persecuted? I don't think that their today's status warrants calling anyone who is not interested in marching in the LGBTQ parades a bigot. Maybe somewhere in rural Alabama or Mississippi, an LGBTQ person is still scared of coming out, but is it the case in San Francisco? Give me break. Tim Cook and Co. march in LGBTQ parades in San Francisco. If Tim Cook were so concerned about LGBTQ rights, he should stop selling Apple's gadgets in places like Saudi Arabia and Russia, where LGBTQs are truly persecuted. Why doesn't he fly 1,000 Apple employees to Riyadh or Moscow and march there in an LGBTQ Pride Parade?
Please continue calling me a bigot because it speaks volumes of who you are and how tolerant left-wing liberals are of those who do not support their extremist views. Left-wing extremists are just as intolerant as right-wing extremists. I catch the same amount of flak from both extremist sides but for opposite reasons.
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You may not be as extreme as those you’ve described but you do fall into that camp based on your views. Suggesting Pride events and children being exposed to the gay community can influence them into becoming homosexuals is hilariously incorrect and shows a complete lack of understanding as to what it actually is.
I’m guessing you’re American too as with most debates on here I see the ‘liberal card’ thrown in to try and discredit an opposing opinion lol. It doesn’t work or act as a deflection when read by a third party I’m afraid.