Apple Celebrates Pride in San Francisco Parade

[The-Real-Deal82]

Those who do not see God's creation in the world around them, have absolutely nothing in common with my view of the world. So, there's not really much to discuss here.

The fact that the rainbow is light refracted through droplets of water at different angles (the prism refraction effect) does not in any way eliminate God from the creation of light, water, humans, human ability to perceive the world around them through vision, or the light refraction effect. But, there's absolutely no reason to go down the path of arguing over this, as it's obvious that theists cannot disprove atheism, and atheists cannot disprove theism.

I guess I should have realised religion was in the equation somewhere in this exchange of views. One thing I’ve learned over and over again is, if there is anybody who is going to judge you, it’s somebody hiding behind a religion.

Do you have any other assumptions of me btw? Last time you said in a very patronising way that I must not have any clue about raising children or what it’s like to be straight despite me being a straight married man with two children.

Sorry but your opinion children are bisexual and only choose their preference through influences doesn’t wash. I’ve experienced too many people who have been gay despite their upbringing. It’s not something you can influence.

 

[Fugabutacus]

It’s a fact that young people are very impressionable.

What do your mother, father, and anyone else who was prominent in your childhood think of LGBT rights?

They think the same as what I do.

Hm

 

[sirozha]

Are you sure you're not (at least a little) gay? I'm always surprised when a (supposedly) heterosexual male claims someone could choose homosexuality. If you aren't gay, you should know that's not possible. You might as well claim you've chosen your eye color after noticing in the mirror one day that you have blue eyes.


Not a choice. Also:

"
There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role when it comes to sexual orientation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation

I’m a married heterosexual male with two daughters, so yes I do understand what it’s like to raise children.

I also understand that my children mixing with homosexual people (my brothers in law and my cousin), they are not going to ‘catch’ homosexuality and become gay because of who they mix with.

If my daughters turn out to be gay, they will get all the love and support they need from my wife and I.

Do your brothers-in-law and your cousin flaunt their homosexuality in front of your children? Do they do anything to deliver a message to your kids that being homosexual is much cooler than being heterosexual? Do they tell your kids how great homosexual sex is?

Because that is what I'm talking about. I'm talking about homosexual propaganda. I'm not talking about letting your kids spend time with the family members who are gay.

I've witnessed my niece rejecting girl's clothes, starting to get boy's haircuts and acting like a boy after she has spent several years in a group of homosexual friends. She was drawn to that group of friends because of the "bleeding-heart" upbringing that she received from her parents to come to the defense of the "oppressed" people. So, naturally, she considered LGBTQ to be oppressed, and decided to go march in the LGBTQ parades to show her support for those who are oppressed. Therefore, it was her political activism that brought her to the LGBTQ community. Within two years, she switched from being a heterosexual girl to being a lesbian after having hung out with a company of friends (of the same age as her) that was 100% homosexual. You tell me she was always a lesbian, and I tell you that she was not. That is the crux of this argument.

Obviously, we know what teenagers talk about with their friends most of the time - sex. Among homosexual friends, the topic of many discussions is homosexual sex. My belief is that had her political activism not brought her to LGBTQ community, she would have remained heterosexual and would probably be dating a guy now.

 

[pmau]

Release updated MacBooks with a fixed keyboard, release a modular MacPro that is reasonably priced.
Introduce something like a Mac Mini to serve as a headless low power compute unit.

If you do so, you can parade where ever you want for whatever ******** virtue signalling reason.
If you don't, shut up about politics, LGBT or any other made up movement that leads us to "you know where".

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Do your brothers-in-law and your cousin flaunt their homosexuality in front of your children? Do they do anything to deliver a message to your kids that being homosexual is much cooler than being heterosexual? Do they tell your kids how great homosexual sex is?

Because that is what I'm talking about. I'm talking about homosexual propaganda. I'm not talking about letting your kids spend time with the family members who are gay.

I've witnessed my niece rejecting girl's clothes, starting to get boy's haircuts and acting like a boy after she has spent several years in a group of homosexual friends. She was drawn to that group of friends because of the "bleeding-heart" upbringing that she received from her parents to come to the defense of the "oppressed" people. So, naturally, she considered LGBTQ to be oppressed, and decided to go march in the LGBTQ parades to show her support for those who are oppressed. Therefore, it was her political activism that brought her to the LGBTQ community. Within two years, she switched from being a heterosexual girl to being a lesbian after having hung out with a company of friends (of the same age as her) that was 100% of homosexual. You tell me she was always a lesbian, and I tell you that she was not. That is the crux of this argument.

Obviously, we know what teenagers talk about with their friends most of the time - sex. Among homosexual friends, the topic of many discussions is homosexual sex. My belief is that had her political activism not brought her to LGBTQ community, she would have remained heterosexual and would probably be dating a guy now.

My children are aware they are homosexual yes. We went to their wedding two years ago. As far as ‘flaunting it’ in front of them, no they don’t. They are a normal couple like me and my wife. They hold hands and have kissed in front of us, but we do that too, so for us it’s all perfectly normal. None of that is ‘propaganda’, just normal behaviour from any married couple.

Release updated MacBooks with a fixed keyboard, release a modular MacPro that is reasonably priced.
Introduce something like a Mac Mini to serve as a headless low power compute unit.

If you do so, you can parade where ever you want for whatever ******** virtue signalling reason.
If you don't, shut up about politics, LGBT or any other made up movement that leads us to "you know where".

Hopefully the big cheeses at Apple will read your instruction and act accordingly.

Anybody would think they are a private company who donate to a charity they support. The cheek!

I don’t know if anybody knows the answer to this but; did Microsoft ever come under fire for their foundations in Africa supplying fresh drinking water, or the vaccination funding and countless other causes they have supported for the past 25 years? Just trying to gage whether it’s charity work people have a problem with when tech companies support it or whether it’s just because lots of people just hate homosexuals?

 

[sirozha]

I guess I should have realised religion was in the equation somewhere in this exchange of views. One thing I’ve learned over and over again is, if there is anybody who is going to judge you, it’s somebody hiding behind a religion.

Do you have any other assumptions of me btw? Last time you said in a very patronising way that I must not have any clue about raising children or what it’s like to be straight despite me being a straight married man with two children.

Sorry but your opinion children are bisexual and only choose their preference through influences doesn’t wash. I’ve experienced too many people who have been gay despite their upbringing. It’s not something you can influence.

You asked me if I knew what it was like to be gay. If you are straight, do you have a clue what it's like to be gay? Or, are you a gay man in a heterosexual marriage who knows what it's like to be gay and at the same time has kids with his wife and an expert on child rearing?

As for the religion, I don't have one. I have a belief in a creator. I know, it's hard to imagine someone doesn't attend a religious institution and yet believes in God. I also know that believing in God causes an obvious knee-jerk reaction to put me in the same box with the people whose opinions you always dismiss. Frankly, I couldn't care less what your opinion of me is. My opinion of the people who reject God and believe that this world was created by chance and not by an intelligent design in not much more favorable than your opinion of me. It is especially true when I encounter a person who has experienced a miracle of his/her child's birth and still thinks that there is not an intelligent design behind all of this. To my mind, holding such a belief is completely unscientific.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You asked me if I knew what it was like to be gay. If you are straight, do you have a clue what it's like to be gay?

Yes. It’s exactly the same as being straight but you are attracted to people of the same sex. For example the attraction I have towards my wife, my brother in law feels towards his husband. The only difference is their sexual orientation is frowned upon by people like yourself so there is more of a conscious effort not to exhibit it too much in public, sadly.

What did you think it was like to be gay? Not every gay person fancies everybody of the same sex and wants to try it on with them. They are not going to force sex on you and do so in the campest way possible. They are not going to pressure your children into trying sex with those of the same sex like some kind of political propaganda. What did you imagine it’s like?

I didn’t ask you if you knew what it was like to be gay because your viewpoint suggests you haven’t the foggiest.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Or, are you a gay man in a heterosexual marriage who knows what it's like to be gay and at the same time has kids with his wife and an expert on child rearing?

No. I’m a heterosexual man as I had already clarified (twice now I think, now a third time). Not sure where you got that rather wild assumption from?

I know what it’s like to be gay because I know gay people both in my family and as friends. Rather than judge them and apply religious hatred towards them, I educated myself and took an interest.

 

[tkermit]

Do your brothers-in-law and your cousin flaunt their homosexuality in front of your children? Do they do anything to deliver a message to your kids that being homosexual is much cooler than being heterosexual? Do they tell your kids how great homosexual sex is?

Seriously, once again. You're a heterosexual male, aren't you? How could you possibly think a supposed "coolness" factor of homosexuality (yeah, right...) could get you to become (sexually) attracted to men? That's just not how it works.

 

[Fugabutacus]

Seriously, once again. You're a heterosexual male, aren't you? How could you possibly think a supposed "coolness" factor of homosexuality (yeah, right...) could get you to become (sexually) attracted to men? That's just not how it works.

Yeah, this. @sirozha if you truly believe that your sexuality is so fragile that some good marketing will get you on your knees... Well you just need to spend some time with yourself and figure these things out for yourself and figure out how you truly want to identify.

 

[widgeteer]

Seriously, once again. You're a heterosexual male, aren't you? How could you possibly think a supposed "coolness" factor of homosexuality (yeah, right...) could get you to become (sexually) attracted to men? That's just not how it works.

What? Who wouldn't want to "choose" to be part of an ostracized group in the US that's routinely mocked, shamed, and have their rights denied them? It's so cool!

 

[bandrews]

Do your brothers-in-law and your cousin flaunt their homosexuality in front of your children? Do they do anything to deliver a message to your kids that being homosexual is much cooler than being heterosexual? Do they tell your kids how great homosexual sex is?

Because that is what I'm talking about. I'm talking about homosexual propaganda. I'm not talking about letting your kids spend time with the family members who are gay.

I've witnessed my niece rejecting girl's clothes, starting to get boy's haircuts and acting like a boy after she has spent several years in a group of homosexual friends. She was drawn to that group of friends because of the "bleeding-heart" upbringing that she received from her parents to come to the defense of the "oppressed" people. So, naturally, she considered LGBTQ to be oppressed, and decided to go march in the LGBTQ parades to show her support for those who are oppressed. Therefore, it was her political activism that brought her to the LGBTQ community. Within two years, she switched from being a heterosexual girl to being a lesbian after having hung out with a company of friends (of the same age as her) that was 100% homosexual. You tell me she was always a lesbian, and I tell you that she was not. That is the crux of this argument.

Obviously, we know what teenagers talk about with their friends most of the time - sex. Among homosexual friends, the topic of many discussions is homosexual sex. My belief is that had her political activism not brought her to LGBTQ community, she would have remained heterosexual and would probably be dating a guy now.

Hmmmm I wonder why she was hanging around with homosexuals.
You know - maybe it’s because that’s how she identifies? Maybe she felt safe with them. Maybe she was fed up of conforming to some unrealistic ideals society expected of her.

You’re perfectly happy to accept that some people are born gay yet don’t seem prepared to accept that maybe your niece is.
I was brought up in a straight, conservative, rural, CoE household. I was “straight” for the first 18 years of my life.

I would have loved for ANY kind of role model to help me accept who I was but no, I just had to pretend to like girls and rugby while gay people were vilified and marginalised. It was illegal to teach ANYTHING about homosexuality in schools in the UK - until The year 2000! There’s only so long you can pretend to like something - even if it takes you outside your comfort zone.

You gay panic would be hilarious were it not so troubling.

 

[sirozha]

Yes. It’s exactly the same as being straight but you are attracted to people of the same sex. For example the attraction I have towards my wife, my brother in law feels towards his husband. The only difference is their sexual orientation is frowned upon by people like yourself so there is more of a conscious effort not to exhibit it too much in public, sadly.

What did you think it was like to be gay? Not every gay person fancies everybody of the same sex and wants to try it on with them. They are not going to force sex on you and do so in the campest way possible. They are not going to pressure your children into trying sex with those of the same sex like some kind of political propaganda. What did you imagine it’s like?

I didn’t ask you if you knew what it was like to be gay because your viewpoint suggests you haven’t the foggiest.

You have no clue what it is like to be gay unless you are gay.
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Hmmmm I wonder why she was hanging around with homosexuals.
You know - maybe it’s because that’s how she identifies? Maybe she felt safe with them. Maybe she was fed up of conforming to some unrealistic ideals society expected of her.

You’re perfectly happy to accept that some people are born gay yet don’t seem prepared to accept that maybe your niece is.
I was brought up in a straight, conservative, rural, CoE household. I was “straight” for the first 18 years of my life.

I would have loved for ANY kind of role model to help me accept who I was but no, I just had to pretend to like girls and rugby while gay people were vilified and marginalised. It was illegal to teach ANYTHING about homosexuality in schools in the UK - until The year 2000! There’s only so long you can pretend to like something - even if it takes you outside your comfort zone.

You gay panic would be hilarious were it not so troubling.

Let me break it to you. Rugby is the reason.
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What? Who wouldn't want to "choose" to be part of an ostracized group in the US that's routinely mocked, shamed, and have their rights denied them? It's so cool!

Ostracized group in the US? The coolest role models in the US are gay. Should I provide a list?

 

[bandrews]

You have no clue what it is like to be gay unless you are gay.
[doublepost=1530580981][/doublepost]
Let me break it to you. Rugby is the reason.
[doublepost=1530581118][/doublepost]
Ostracized group in the US? The coolest role models in the US are gay. Should I provide a list?

Lols, yeah, sure. Rugby made me gay.

So you hate the fact there are cool role models for gay people? But you’re, like TOTALLY for equality?

 

[bandrews]

You have no clue what it is like to be gay unless you are gay.
[doublepost=1530580981][/doublepost]
Let me break it to you. Rugby is the reason.
[doublepost=1530581118][/doublepost]
Ostracized group in the US? The coolest role models in the US are gay. Should I provide a list?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44686374

Read this. You still think there's too much "gay propaganda" when two thirds of LGBT people are scared of holding hands with their partner in public? And that's in the UK which is much more liberal than pockets of the US.
It's comments like yours that make people feel this way.

 

[sirozha]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44686374

Read this. You still think there's too much "gay propaganda" when two thirds of LGBT people are scared of holding hands with their partner in public? And that's in the UK which is much more liberal than pockets of the US.
It's comments like yours that make people feel this way.

Read this:
http://www.brothersroad.org/about/whoweare/

I just accidentally found this site looking for studies about gay children.

These formerly gay men claim they have figured out a way to change their sexual orientation to become heterosexual.

I would consider this complete rubbish based on all these years of reading that one gets born gay and nothing can or should be done about it.

Maybe some do not get born gay, but rather become gay due to some factors in their early childhood? You think THAT may be possible or is this a Christian mission set up to deny gay men their identity? Perhaps it’s the latter or maybe just maybe some/most who identify themselves as gay in their adolescence and adulthood were not born gay?

It’s a complicated issue, and there are too many interests that pollute it with their biases. I, for one, believe that some are born gay, while others become gay due to environmental influences. There is no science that can disprove my belief. So, I want to be extra careful and guard my child from such influences. Just like I don’t want to deny you your rights to marry or to raise children, please let me have my rights to raise my child and guard him from the influences that I consider detrimental to his future well being.

 

[tkermit]

Read this:
http://www.brothersroad.org/about/whoweare/

I just accidentally found this site looking for studies about gay children.

These formerly gay men claim they have figured out a way to change their sexual orientation to become heterosexual.

I would consider this complete rubbish

You're on the right track there.

 

[AsherN]

Read this:
http://www.brothersroad.org/about/whoweare/

I just accidentally found this site looking for studies about gay children.

These formerly gay men claim they have figured out a way to change their sexual orientation to become heterosexual.

I would consider this complete rubbish based on all these years of reading that one gets born gay and nothing can or should be done about it.

Maybe some do not get born gay, but rather become gay due to some factors in their early childhood? You think THAT may be possible or is this a Christian mission set up to deny gay men their identity? Perhaps it’s the latter or maybe just maybe some/most who identify themselves as gay in their adolescence and adulthood were not born gay?

It’s a complicated issue, and there are too many interests that pollute it with their biases. I, for one, believe that some are born gay, while others become gay due to environmental influences. There is no science that can disprove my belief. So, I want to be extra careful and guard my child from such influences. Just like I don’t want to deny you your rights to marry or to raise children, please let me have my rights to raise my child and guard him from the influences that I consider detrimental to his future well being.

Human sexuality is not binary. It is a continuum. On a scale of 1-100, where 1 is totally hetero and 100 is totaly gay, tha majority of the population falls in the 1-20 and 80-100 range. Others fall anywhere in the middle, making it possible to go either way, or even consider experimenting.

 

[sirozha]

Human sexuality is not binary. It is a continuum. On a scale of 1-100, where 1 is totally hetero and 100 is totaly gay, tha majority of the population falls in the 1-20 and 80-100 range. Others fall anywhere in the middle, making it possible to go either way, or even consider experimenting.

Ok. If it’s the case, doesn’t this validate my point of view that some early childhood influences may set a child on a gay lifestyle?

 

[bandrews]

Read this:
http://www.brothersroad.org/about/whoweare/

I just accidentally found this site looking for studies about gay children.

These formerly gay men claim they have figured out a way to change their sexual orientation to become heterosexual.

I would consider this complete rubbish based on all these years of reading that one gets born gay and nothing can or should be done about it.

Maybe some do not get born gay, but rather become gay due to some factors in their early childhood? You think THAT may be possible or is this a Christian mission set up to deny gay men their identity? Perhaps it’s the latter or maybe just maybe some/most who identify themselves as gay in their adolescence and adulthood were not born gay?

It’s a complicated issue, and there are too many interests that pollute it with their biases. I, for one, believe that some are born gay, while others become gay due to environmental influences. There is no science that can disprove my belief. So, I want to be extra careful and guard my child from such influences. Just like I don’t want to deny you your rights to marry or to raise children, please let me have my rights to raise my child and guard him from the influences that I consider detrimental to his future well being.

Gay conversion therapy? Really?
Seriously. If these people with same-sex attraction weren't made to feel like second class citizens, organisations like this wouldn't exist. There is not one respected medical or scientific body in the developed world that believes in it or doesn't think it is potentially very harmful to an individuals health.

Read this: https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/confessions-of-a-conversion-therapy-survivor-twr/

And for every website you can link to espousing the virtues of conversion therapy, I'll find you 5 that debunk it.

I still don't get you. If being gay is fine, why are you trying so hard to shelter your kids from gays? And you still haven't actually detailed what these "influences" are nor why even trying it is so detrimental. And if you don't reply to anything else in my post, please, let me know all the ways in which gays are turning straight kids. Why is it so bad if they kiss someone of the same sex, don't like it then never do it again? Sexuality is not something you try really hard to change - unless you are ashamed of it. Shaming gay people into needing to change couldn't be further from adolescent kids being curious.

You say "some people are born gay" but how do you tell? How do you give those kids the support to not feel like second class citizens? Because THAT is detrimental to their future well being.

Seriously, everything you post on here is perpetuating gay panic. It's hearsay, opinion, conjecture, anecdotal evidence at best.

I'm seriously struggling to articulate this in any other way to help you understand. Sexual attraction is so innate. If people born gay try really hard to suppress their sexuality due to external influences (and I'm speaking from experience) it can't stay bottled up for long. Some people come out when they're young, others buckle to the demands of society and live for years - sometimes marrying and having kids - but their true sexuality is always there at the back of their minds be it LGBorT.

This gay propaganda you talk about isn't about saying being gay is better than being straight. It's about being as good as you. It's about being equal but not the same. This "propaganda" is here to tell those kids who are scared they are different that they aren't dirty or evil or lesser humans.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You have no clue what it is like to be gay unless you are gay.

So you can confidently say that without knowing then by your own admission?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Ok. If it’s the case, doesn’t this validate my point of view that some early childhood influences may set a child on a gay lifestyle?

No because if a person is bisexual then they will choose for themselves. You were insinuating children can be ‘turned gay’ by exposure to what you call ‘gay propaganda’. If a child has a gay relationship then they were gay or bisexual in the first place, not because they mix with homosexuals or buy a rainbow strap from Apple.

 

[Fugabutacus]

Read this:
http://www.brothersroad.org/about/whoweare/

I just accidentally found this site looking for studies about gay children.

These formerly gay men claim they have figured out a way to change their sexual orientation to become heterosexual.

I would consider this complete rubbish based on all these years of reading that one gets born gay and nothing can or should be done about it.

Maybe some do not get born gay, but rather become gay due to some factors in their early childhood? You think THAT may be possible or is this a Christian mission set up to deny gay men their identity? Perhaps it’s the latter or maybe just maybe some/most who identify themselves as gay in their adolescence and adulthood were not born gay?

It’s a complicated issue, and there are too many interests that pollute it with their biases. I, for one, believe that some are born gay, while others become gay due to environmental influences. There is no science that can disprove my belief. So, I want to be extra careful and guard my child from such influences. Just like I don’t want to deny you your rights to marry or to raise children, please let me have my rights to raise my child and guard him from the influences that I consider detrimental to his future well being.

Why do you want your children to be straight?

 

[AsherN]

Ok. If it’s the case, doesn’t this validate my point of view that some early childhood influences may set a child on a gay lifestyle?

No, it does not. Exposure does not change you. My 2 sons were exposed to a healthy, affectionate, demonstrative Heterosexual "lifestyle" of my wife and I. One is gay, the other not. By your definition, if exposure to a gay "lifestyle" can turn someone gay, the opposite can also happen. It does not.

 

[sirozha]

Gay conversion therapy? Really?
Seriously. If these people with same-sex attraction weren't made to feel like second class citizens, organisations like this wouldn't exist. There is not one respected medical or scientific body in the developed world that believes in it or doesn't think it is potentially very harmful to an individuals health.

Read this: https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/confessions-of-a-conversion-therapy-survivor-twr/

And for every website you can link to espousing the virtues of conversion therapy, I'll find you 5 that debunk it.

I still don't get you. If being gay is fine, why are you trying so hard to shelter your kids from gays? And you still haven't actually detailed what these "influences" are nor why even trying it is so detrimental. And if you don't reply to anything else in my post, please, let me know all the ways in which gays are turning straight kids. Why is it so bad if they kiss someone of the same sex, don't like it then never do it again? Sexuality is not something you try really hard to change - unless you are ashamed of it. Shaming gay people into needing to change couldn't be further from adolescent kids being curious.

You say "some people are born gay" but how do you tell? How do you give those kids the support to not feel like second class citizens? Because THAT is detrimental to their future well being.

Seriously, everything you post on here is perpetuating gay panic. It's hearsay, opinion, conjecture, anecdotal evidence at best.

I'm seriously struggling to articulate this in any other way to help you understand. Sexual attraction is so innate. If people born gay try really hard to suppress their sexuality due to external influences (and I'm speaking from experience) it can't stay bottled up for long. Some people come out when they're young, others buckle to the demands of society and live for years - sometimes marrying and having kids - but their true sexuality is always there at the back of their minds be it LGBorT.

This gay propaganda you talk about isn't about saying being gay is better than being straight. It's about being as good as you. It's about being equal but not the same. This "propaganda" is here to tell those kids who are scared they are different that they aren't dirty or evil or lesser humans.

Being gay is fine just as smoking pot is fine. Just not for me or my kids. I do not discriminate against those with whom I disagree. I do reserve the right to disagree and not to accept their ways, though.

I would support legalization of pot in my state, as I believe that legalization of pot would reduce crime that stems from the illegal pot market and would such legalization would bring significant revenue to the state. However, my child would get in a lot of trouble if I caught him smoking pot. I would have a serious talk with him, and I would try to make sure that he understands all the negative effects of smoking pot. Something being legal doesn't mean that it is OK for my child to engage in that behavior. Therefore, me considering legalization of pot being a good idea has nothing to do with how I feel about my child engaging in that behavior.

By the same token, I would do everything possible to steer my child away from any association with any organization that promotes and endorses the LGBTQ life style. That is my choice. This choice doesn't mean that I want to discriminate against LGBTQ or teach my children that being gay is a sin. I am far from it, and even though I do believe in God, I also believe that God is powerful enough to mete out his own judgment without needing my help. I will leave it up to God to figure out what causes someone to turn to the LGBTQ life style and it's up to God to reward or punish any particular LGBTQ person. I do not have a judgement one way or the other as to what's God's opinion is about LGBTQ individuals.

My responsibility as a citizen is to treat other citizens with respect and without any discrimination as long as they do not infringe upon my rights to practice my own lifestyle and raise my children in the way that I consider appropriate.

Now, to answer your question, I believe that making an LGBTQ watch face and placing it in a set of a limited number of default watch faces available on the watchOS platform is exactly that infringement of my rights to guard my child from the "in your face" LGBTQ lifestyle propaganda. That watch face should be available as an optional download, but it should not be in there as a default watch face. I know this is very subtle and most people think I'm freaking out for no reason, but this was intentionally done to appear so subtle. There was no need to do this other than to stick it to everyone who can't help but to encounter this watch face as they flip through the very limited set of default watch faces. This is, of course, a very small thing, and if it stood on its own, I wouldn't be objecting so much. However, Tim Cook goes much beyond that. He brings his social activism into the corporate culture of Apple. People feel that if they do not support Tim Cook's passion for LGBTQ causes they would be branded as bigots, just like numerous people call me a bigot on this forum. That is not such a subtle way for the CEO to impose his/her views on the employees. Why do I care? Well, for one, I'm a shareholder, and I disagree with this behavior. I would also disagree if an Apple CEO were a Christian who would try similar methods of "encouraging" his employees to "accept Jesus," etc. I think these social agendas should be kept out of the corporate world.