Apple Celebrates Pride in San Francisco Parade

[apolloa]

Everyone understands that the engineering departments and marketing departments are separate right?




When LGBT people are no longer beaten up/sacked/refused service/murdered JUST for being LGBT, THEN maybe we can stop "carrying on".

I don’t understand how having a month long celebration will stop any of those things?
You can marry, work, adopt children, have all the same rights as straight people, hell in the U.K. you can have a child, then both people have sex change operations on the NHS!!

People will always do the things you said and nothing will change it. And it doesn’t help when all this gender neutral BS is shoved down people’s throats, that’s a step to far as you are telling people who are not gay how to raise their children which you have absolutely no right to do, so it will only heighten the hatred to your community.

 

[Xgm541]

Or yes, they do get to choose their sexuality in most cases.

Statistically, LGBTQ people are a small percentage of a general population. How did more than 50% of teenagers get to identify themselves as gender neutral? Are you saying Tim Cook is wasting the company resources making rainbow watch faces and rainbow watch bands? I don’t think so.

Try again.

I don't have to try anything.

 

[oldmacs]

I don’t understand how having a month long celebration will stop any of those things?
You can marry, work, adopt children, have all the same rights as straight people, hell in the U.K. you can have a child, then both people have sex change operations on the NHS!!

People will always do the things you said and nothing will change it.

It is about having a single moment of pride that we survived even though struggle many of us go through due to our sexuality every day.

 

[TiggrToo]

I don’t understand how having a month long celebration will stop any of those things?
You can marry, work, adopt children, have all the same rights as straight people, hell in the U.K. you can have a child, then both people have sex change operations on the NHS!!

People will always do the things you said and nothing will change it.

Not in America. Here in the USA you can be denied a job, be fired, be disallowed from adopting children, be kicked out of housing JUST because someone thinks you're gay. And the lackmof protections for transportation are even worse.

One in three companies surveyed recently in the UK stated they would not hire a transgender person.

So no, LGBT people do NOT have the same rights as straight people.

 

[bandrews]

Or yes, they do get to choose their sexuality in most cases.

Statistically, LGBTQ people are a small percentage of a general population. How did more than 50% of teenagers get to identify themselves as gender neutral? Are you saying Tim Cook is wasting the company resources making rainbow watch faces and rainbow watch bands? I don’t think so.

Try again.

Source? Oh, and sexuality =/= gender.

And there’s a big difference between making a rainbow watch face/band and brainwashing.

But like I said, if straight propaganda didn’t make me straight, how is gay propaganda going to turn kids gay?

 

[TiggrToo]

One doesn’t have to have a medical degree to notice an anomaly.

You need to have a medical degree to know what that means and how it is formed. You obviously don't.

I don't either, but I defer to medical specialists the world over who totally disagree with your mindset.

 

[oldmacs]

How can a straight person (guy or girl) work for Apple anymore? Imagine receiving a corporate email announcing the Apple’s participation in the 2018 LGBTQ parade. What goes on in the back of a straight person’s mind? “I really don’t want to do this, but I have a dream job, a family, a couple car payments, and a mortgage. If I don’t go, my career is goong nowhere. So, I have to bite the bullet and go. I have to take selfies with my boss and his boss and, hopefully, a few execs and post them on my social media to make sure everyone knows that I participated and had a lot of fun.”

What is this if not the new liberal establishment shoving their agenda down the throats of the people who hold traditional views and who want to guard their families from this new reality? Is this new reality for the better? Is the LGBTQ agenda a new Civil Rights frontier? Am I a bigot for wanting my eight-year-old son to appreciate the rainbow as a message from God in the sky and not as a message from the LGBTQ community on flags, shirts, watch bands, and watch faces? Am I wrong trying to keep him away from falling a victim to the LGBTQ propaganda like over 50% of American teenagers who have already fallen a victim to it? After all, over 50% of American teenagers identify themselves as gender neutral now, and this has happened to some of my nephews and nieces. Their parents (my siblings) now wish they had intervened earlier and not let the LGBTQ “village” indoctrinate their kids’ young minds. It’s too late for them now as their kids are experimenting with the LGBTQ lifestyles.

There is no ‘LGBTQ lifestyle’. I wish I had been brought up to know that it was ok to be gay, would have saved me from years of anxiety, suicidal thoughts, depression and fear.

I love when the so called ‘LGBTQ agenda’ gets tossed around. There is no evil agenda, there is only the want for equal rights and social standing, and also giving people who find life difficult due to their sexuality, a day to feel proud of themselves.

 

[apolloa]

First off, you're making up my opinion, so you've just joined some imaginary argument. I never said people shouldn't be allowed to make those remarks. I said I wish they didn't feel the need to make them.
I really think you don't understand how freedom of speech works: you can say whatever you want, unless it directly promotes violence (because some criminal boss saying "kill that guy" is a killer, despite having just said something and violence should always be the limit to freedom).
You people here are saying something that doesn't directly promote violence but that, in my opinion, is related to hateful behaviours. So you can say that but, by the same freedom of speech, I can say how much I disagree, I can say I think you're wrong and you should not say that (let's be clear again: you shouldn't say that, not that you shouldn't be allowed to say that).
So, no punishment for people saying something but the rest of the world has the right to reply.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say what you want without anyone being allowed to say how much they think you're a jerk for saying that.

About the site trying to "mute freedom of speech"... it's their site, they can handle things how they want. Just like homophobes who get censored can make their own site. But they should hurry until AppleRumorsAndStraightPride.com is still available.

See my comment above, people are tolerant, accept others as they are, but when the media and law starts forcing them to accept that other parties way of living and beliefs, then that’s why people feel the need to say what they say.

Also your a hypocrite, firstly you give a lecture on freedom of speech, then advocate the restraining of Freedom Of Speech, all in one comment!

 

[sesnir]

Ugh... why did I read the comments...

How can you be against human rights? You're deplorable and proud of it. Completely unsalvageable human beings.

I think Apple's corporate culture is nice. They're a powerful company and they're using that power to show their support for the right things. There are a lot of companies that I don't care for using their power to promote things that I don't agree with. I appreciate what Apple's doing.

 

[bandrews]

I don’t understand how having a month long celebration will stop any of those things?
You can marry, work, adopt children, have all the same rights as straight people, hell in the U.K. you can have a child, then both people have sex change operations on the NHS!!

People will always do the things you said and nothing will change it. And to it doesn’t help when all this gender neutral BS is shoved down people’s throats, that’s a step to far as you are telling people who are not gay how to raise their children, so it will only heighten the hatred to your community.

The first gay pride march was a riot back when being gay was illegal and still considered a mental illness.

Do you think any of that would have changed if everyone had stayed quiet? Do you think there would be fewer LGBT people of it was still illegal? Do you think we just do it for ourselves and not the countless people around the world who face persecution and even death for being attracted to members of the same sex?

 

[TiggrToo]

See my comment above, people are tolerant, accept others as they are, but when the media and law starts forcing them to accept that other parties way of living and beliefs, then that’s why people feel the need to say what they say.

No, there's a hard right contingent that when faced with something as benign as a single same sex kiss on TV go all levels of ape accross social media, but say nothing when the hundreds of thousands of scenes of opposite sex kissing and other forms of affection and romance are shown.

These are the people who allow themselves to be "triggered" on stuff like that, calling it 'pushing the LGBTQ' lifestyle (hint, it's not a lifestyle, it's a life).

When's the last time you saw a gay rights group scream about 2 opposite sex couples kissing on TV?

 

[sirozha]

Source? Oh, and sexuality =/= gender.

And there’s a big difference between making a rainbow watch face/band and brainwashing.

But like I said, if straight propaganda didn’t make me straight, how is gay propaganda going to turn kids gay?

If you are indeed curious, I can answer. I never said that that 100% of LGBTQ people are so by choice. There are obviously cases when this is not a choice However, before the LGBTQ propaganda, the percentage of those identifying as LGBTQ was a small fraction of those who identify as LGBTQ today.

My sister, who is a left-wing liberal, is now at her wits’ end because of what has happened to her kids. They live in one of the most LGBTQ friendly cities on the West Coast. She allowed her kids to immerse themselves in the LGBTQ environment, and now they are completely on the LGBTQ train. All their friends are LGBTQ, and she now wishes with anguish that she had left her community a decade ago and moved to a more traditional setting. This is totally uncharacteristic of her, as she always advocated for the most left-wing and liberal views and loved the environment where she lived. The problem is that she was raised in an environment devoid of LGBTQ propaganda, so she had no idea what effect the LGBTQ propaganda could have on young minds.

 

[apolloa]

Not in America. Here in the USA you can be denied a job, be fired, be disallowed from adopting children, be kicked out of housing JUST because someone thinks you're gay. And the lackmof protections for transportation are even worse.

One in three companies surveyed recently in the UK stated they would not hire a transgender person.

So no, LGBT people do NOT have the same rights as straight people.

What people say in a survey is different to what happens in reality, and it should be the person most qualified and their sexual orientation shouldn’t come into it. However he U.K. has gone too far IMO, the US by the sounds of it not enough... they need to meet in the middle somewhere.

 

[bandrews]

See my comment above, people are tolerant, accept others as they are, but when the media and law starts forcing them to accept that other parties way of living and beliefs, then that’s why people feel the need to say what they say.

If people were that tolerant, we wouldn’t need laws.

 

[TiggrToo]

If you are indeed curious, I can answer. I never said that that 100% of LGBTQ people are so by choice. There are obviously cases when this is not a choice However, before the LGBTQ propaganda, the percentage of those identifying as LGBTQ was a small fraction of those who identify as LGBTQ today.

My sister, who is a left-wing liberal, is now at her wits’ end because of what has happened to her kids. They live in one of the most LGBTQ friendly cities on the West Coast. She allowed her kids to immerse themselves in the LGBTQ environment, and now they are completely on the LGBTQ train. All their friends are LGBTQ, and she now wishes with anguish that she had left her community a decade ago and moved to a more traditional setting. This is totally uncharacteristic of her, as she always advocated for the most left-wing and liberal views and loved the environment where she lived. The problem is that she was raised in an environment devoid of LGBTQ propaganda, so she had no idea what effect the LGBTQ propaganda could have on young minds.

You ever stop to think for a moment that humans have, by and large, always been fluid and it's just social norms that pressurized them to adopt 'acceptable behavior'. And before you go on about how right that is, remember that 100 years ago women didn't have the right to vote, were not allowed to have much in the way of jobs, yet alone careers, and we're until the 1960s, still seen as baby-carriers.

At the time, those limitations were 'acceptable behavior'.

It was seen as totally unacceptable behavior, by society, to even think about having a interracial relationship back then as well. All this and more dictated by the social norms at the time.

 

[curtvaughan]

oh know, someone is fighting for someone elses rights im so offended.

you baby boomers are too much, pretty much ruined this planet.

I was with you until you lumped a whole generation into a pigeon hole, in the same fashion as others lump LGBTQ folks. If there is one person - and there are very many more - born between 1946 and 1963 who didn't "ruin this planet", you are wrong. But of course, you have every right to blame people by birthdate. BTW, Tim Cook is a baby boomer, as was Steve Jobs.

 

[arkitect]

No, there's a hard right contingent that when faced with something as benign as a single same sex kiss on TV go all levels of ape accross social media, but say nothing when the hundreds of thousands of scenes of opposite sex kissing and other forms of affection and romance are shown.

These are the people who allow themselves to be "triggered" on stuff like that, calling it 'pushing the LGBTQ' lifestyle (hint, it's not a lifestyle, it's a life).

When's the last time you saw a gay rights group scream about 2 opposite sex couples kissing on TV?

Took the (written) words out of my mouth (so to speak.) Point very well made.

The amount of faux outrage the "conservative" posters on MacRumours seem to have is ludicrous.
The use of "extreme" examples… everything being "forced down their throats" apparently. Where? When?

My husband and myself certainly have no agenda to "force" our relationship on others… We get on with our business. We live "out" and openly. We work, we pay our taxes, we help our (straight with kiddies *gasp*!) neighbours… Just normal people living and loving.

 

[decafjava]

Eh, the tone here is already pretty tame by normal standards.

Cook is spending an increasing amount of his time positioning Apple as an agent of change in the world. I think this will be Tim Cook’s legacy - the values he has emphasized to push the Apple experience forward.

• Security
• Privacy
• Trust
• Equality
• Ethics
• Environmental Responsibility

No doubt there are some who care only for a new Mac Pro, but I feel this is fascinating to follow nevertheless.

I think these are great ideals. I am not sure Apple really follows them all...I think probably the first two are stronger than most other tech companies, equality all of them pay at least lip service. The battery throttling and not telling users was a big no no from Apple just as hiding privavcy settings initially in Windows 10 was for MS.

Nothing here prevents them from paying more attention to Macs - and some issues in their mobiles and we can prasie them for the stances above and still deplore the fact the Mac Mini has not been updated for 4 years for example.

 

[bandrews]

If you are indeed curious, I can answer. I never said that that 100% of LGBTQ people are so by choice. There are obviously cases when this is not a choice However, before the LGBTQ propaganda, the percentage of those identifying as LGBTQ was a small fraction of those who identify as LGBTQ today.

My sister, who is a left-wing liberal, is now at her wits’ end because of what has happened to her kids. They live in one of the most LGBTQ friendly cities on the West Coast. She allowed her kids to immerse themselves in the LGBTQ environment, and now they are completely on the LGBTQ train. All their friends are LGBTQ, and she now wishes with anguish that she had left her community a decade ago and moved to a more traditional setting. This is totally uncharacteristic of her, as she always advocated for the most left-wing and liberal views and loved the environment where she lived. The problem is that she was raised in an environment devoid of LGBTQ propaganda, so she had no idea what effect the LGBTQ propaganda could have on young minds.

So, anecdotal evidence is not a source nor a description of a mechanism of how one is turned LGBTQ. Nor is it an explanation of why this is a bad thing.

The reason the percentage is higher probably has something to do with it not being illegal anymore and people are less ashamed to admit to it.

 

[apolloa]

If people were that tolerant, we wouldn’t need laws.

Sounds like in the US only though. But America is er, different, to other countries still with some of its extremist views. But other countries will throw you in jail for other acts like talking out against your government.

 

[TiggrToo]

Took the (written) words out of my mouth (so to speak.) Point very well made.

The amount of faux outrage the "conservative" posters on MacRumours seem to have is ludicrous.
The use of "extreme" examples… everything being "forced down their throats" apparently. Where? When?

My husband and myself certainly have no agenda to "force" our relationship on others… We get on with our business. We live "out" and openly. We work, we pay our taxes, we help our (straight with kiddies *gasp*!) neighbours… Just normal people living and loving.

As an Out and proud lesbian, I'm somewhat worried that, despite all this male gay agenda and this heterosexual agenda that I'm not attracted to men.

Shocking!

 

[bandrews]

As an Out and proud lesbian, I'm somewhat worried that, despite all this male gay agenda and this heterosexual agenda that I'm not attracted to men.

Shocking!

Surprisingly, straight men never seem to have a problem with lesbians........

 

[alexgowers]

I dislike it when the main message of a brand is undermined by political activists.

 

[Fugabutacus]

I’m absolutely for real. I would not want to work for a company that officially participates in an LGBTQ parade just like I wouldn’t want to work for a company that officially supports a political party or a religious movement. In any of these scenarios, employees have to grapple with the corporate political or religious agenda imposed on them being in conflict with their personal beliefs.

Your beliefs are wrong and they're dying out and no one cares about protecting them.

I mean, it sounds harsh. But it's true.

 

[TiggrToo]

Surprisingly, straight men never seem to have a problem with lesbians........

Some lesbians - they really dig the femme-femme couples, or college girls. Butch and especially diesels, not so much...

Real life is just so inconvenient for them...