Apple Celebrates Pride in San Francisco Parade

[neliason]

The worst treatment of people have been under the guise of us being a "Christian society". We are not a Christian society, nor should we be.

Only if you are historically and culturally ignorant could you say such a thing. Christians haven’t been perfect. But Christianity is the driving force for the humane treatment of people. Pagans left deformed babies out to die. Christians say all life is valuable.

Wrong on so many counts.

"In that way it is completely against the principles of our civilization which are Christian."

Our civilization? Astonishing...

Hardly. Go live in any other culture and you’ll see the difference.

 

[groadyho]

My nephew is a gay doctor in LA. I don't get why people have a problem with some people being gay. I applaud Apple for taking a stand for what is right.

 

[DoctorTech]

It's a private company last time I checked. I thought since the right-wingers love them free markets they would be happy if corporations did what they wanted? Oh, wait, this is not the case. Freedom of speech and expression ends for right wingers as soon as they get the taste of their own medicine.

The last time I checked they were not a private company, they were a publicly traded company. There is a big difference.

 

[bandrews]

Only if you are historically and culturally ignorant could you say such a thing. Christians haven’t been perfect. But Christianity is the driving force for the humane treatment of people. Pagans left deformed babies out to die. Christians say all life is valuable.



Hardly. Go live in any other culture and you’ll see the difference.

I strongly recommend you guys take this over to the "Why reject christianity" thres.

 

[TiggrToo]

It is interesting that ‘pride’ is promoted. In that way it is completely against the principles of our civilization which are Christian. In Christianity humility is a virtue and pride the enemy of that. Of course plenty of people don’t like Christianity. But I don’t think they fully appreciate the difference between pagan civilization and Christian.

Civilization didn't start out as Christian. It had been going for 5-6 thousand years before Christ walked the earth.

Fun factoid: The first civilization was the Mesopotamians - they had legal contracts for marriages (husband paid the father of his bride) with a money back guarantee if the wife failed to provide, and the husband had one or more concubines for fun.

Shame how Christian marriages destroyed all that...

Heck if you want to target the America's look no further than the horribly enlightened Native American's. They embraced gender fluidity eons before the first Christians invaded.

 

[widgeteer]

Only if you are historically and culturally ignorant could you say such a thing. Christians haven’t been perfect. But Christianity is the driving force for the humane treatment of people. Pagans left deformed babies out to die. Christians say all life is valuable.



Hardly. Go live in any other culture and you’ll see the difference.

I'm not going to engage in a run down of anyone's religious beliefs. Suffice it to say you are entitled to worship whomever you want and however you want provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. My problem with our country is that too many arguments and laws are created on the basis of "being Christian" that interfere with the rights of others. Just the other day the WH was using Bible scripture to justify a policy. I do not want Christianity nor any other religion having anything to do with policy creation.

 

[TiggrToo]

I'm not going to engage in a run down of anyone's religious beliefs. Suffice it to say you are entitled to worship whomever you want and however you want provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. My problem with our country is that too many arguments and laws are created on the basis of "being Christian" that interfere with the rights of others. Just the other day the WH was using Bible scripture to justify a policy. I do not want Christianity nor any other religion having anything to do with policy creation.

Still bugs me that Justice Scalia kicked the bucket before he had a chance to rule on this; for all his faults (he had many) he was very clear where he stood on this nonsense and it would have been simply fascinating to see the conservatives heads explode if he'd ruled against religious rights (which he'd been pretty clear about in earlier rulings).

 

[groadyho]

Seperation of church and state is supposed to protect us from that. Then again this is Trumps america atm, the rules don't apply.

 

[lunarworks]

I keep wondering what Apple is actually doing these days.

Seems like a liberal’s dream. Little work, lots of pride, and a bunch of pissed off customers in its wake.

The parade was on Sunday.

 

[bopajuice]

So are you claiming that theft of US state owned property is perfectly fine to do if your gay or transgender or gender neutral? That somehow that makes you above the law?
Theft is theft no matter what it is of. Their are plenty of other ways to expose truths without breaking the law.

And you should get off your moral high horse. Because if you buy Apple then you support a country who throws people in jail for torture because they spoke out against their government. A country where what you can see on the internet is still heavily censored and where you can go is also controlled.

Where did you get the idea gender had anything to do with my comment? I was talking about the irony of criminal activity. Nothing more.

 

[neliason]

Civilization didn't start out as Christian. It had been going for 5-6 thousand years before Christ walked the earth.

Of course it didn’t start with Christianity. I am saying much of what people like about modern culture comes from Christianity. Secular humanism is Christianity without Jesus. But at the end of the day it is an empty philosophy. Once people realize that then the culture will change for the worse.

I'm not going to engage in a run down of anyone's religious beliefs. Suffice it to say you are entitled to worship whomever you want and however you want provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. My problem with our country is that too many arguments and laws are created on the basis of "being Christian" that interfere with the rights of others. Just the other day the WH was using Bible scripture to justify a policy. I do not want Christianity nor any other religion having anything to do with policy creation.

Much of what we consider rights come from Christianity. There are plenty of laws that interfere with people’s rights. That is precisely what most modern laws do. I don’t see the choice as being laws based on ‘being Christian’ or libertarianism. I’m just as concerned about laws that violate rights no matter what the motivation.

 

[1050792]

Only if you are historically and culturally ignorant could you say such a thing. Christians haven’t been perfect. But Christianity is the driving force for the humane treatment of people. Pagans left deformed babies out to die. Christians say all life is valuable.



Hardly. Go live in any other culture and you’ll see the difference.

"Christians say all life is valuable." unless you are homosexual, not into someone's church or ideas not paying church taxes,and if you are born deformed because that's demons inside your body.
Just some examples...

 

[widgeteer]

No, marriage is between a man and a woman. But yes, the pedophile Larry Brinkin would define it as you have. He helped get the same-sex marriage idea going after all.

Not anymore.

 

[TiggrToo]

Of course it didn’t start with Christianity. I am saying much of what people like about modern culture comes from Christianity. Secular humanism is Christianity without Jesus. But at the end of the day it is an empty philosophy. Once people realize that then the culture will change for the worse.

You sure? Instead of generalizing, give us detail. Which parts of modern culture stem from Christianity and Christianity ALONE?

Much of what we consider rights come from Christianity. There are plenty of laws that interfere with people’s rights. That is precisely what most modern laws do. I don’t see the choice as being laws based on ‘being Christian’ or libertarianism. I’m just as concerned about laws that violate rights no matter what the motivation.

Again, you sure. Please, explain more - go into detail. Or are you generalizing again because this is just what you think is the case?

 

[Trixs]

How can a straight person (guy or girl) work for Apple anymore? Imagine receiving a corporate email announcing the Apple’s participation in the 2018 LGBTQ parade. What goes on in the back of a straight person’s mind? “I really don’t want to do this, but I have a dream job, a family, a couple car payments, and a mortgage. If I don’t go, my career is goong nowhere. So, I have to bite the bullet and go. I have to take selfies with my boss and his boss and, hopefully, a few execs and post them on my social media to make sure everyone knows that I participated and had a lot of fun.”

What is this if not the new liberal establishment shoving their agenda down the throats of the people who hold traditional views and who want to guard their families from this new reality? Is this new reality for the better? Is the LGBTQ agenda a new Civil Rights frontier? Am I a bigot for wanting my eight-year-old son to appreciate the rainbow as a message from God in the sky and not as a message from the LGBTQ community on flags, shirts, watch bands, and watch faces? Am I wrong trying to keep him away from falling a victim to the LGBTQ propaganda like over 50% of American teenagers who have already fallen a victim to it? After all, over 50% of American teenagers identify themselves as gender neutral now, and this has happened to some of my nephews and nieces. Their parents (my siblings) now wish they had intervened earlier and not let the LGBTQ “village” indoctrinate their kids’ young minds. It’s too late for them now as their kids are experimenting with the LGBTQ lifestyles.

Yes. You are wrong. Good that you asked.

 

[ThirteenXIII]

I keep wondering what Apple is actually doing these days.

Seems like a liberal’s dream. Little work, lots of pride, and a bunch of pissed off customers in its wake.

Only real complaining I hear is on these forums, which is not an actually Apple owned site. Seems everywhere else everyone is seemingly okay with Apple, including the tens of thousands of Mac and iOS users in our company using their products.

 

[neliason]

"Christians say all life is valuable." unless you are homosexual, not into someone's church or ideas not paying church taxes,and if you are born deformed because that's demons inside your body.
Just some examples...

Huh? Christians don’t say you can abort or kill a kid if he is homosexual. Homosexuals have all the same dignities as any other person.

 

[widgeteer]

Yes. You are wrong. Good that you asked.

I liked this comment:

It’s too late for them now as their kids are experimenting with the LGBTQ lifestyles.

"Experimenting." Are they all wearing lab coats, holding clip boards while boys kiss boys??

 

[1050792]

Huh? Christians don’t say you can abort or kill a kid if he is homosexual. Homosexuals have all the same dignities as any other person.

Of course they do expect they get murdered, beaten, exorcised, disowned by the said "Christians"

 

[bopajuice]

I'm not going to engage in a run down of anyone's religious beliefs. Suffice it to say you are entitled to worship whomever you want and however you want provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. My problem with our country is that too many arguments and laws are created on the basis of "being Christian" that interfere with the rights of others. Just the other day the WH was using Bible scripture to justify a policy. I do not want Christianity nor any other religion having anything to do with policy creation.

Republicans are trying really hard to intertwine Religion with policy. Unfortunately the first amendment leaves the issue up to one's interpretation of the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson was concerned about the separation of church and state to the point where he wrote about it and coined the phrase "separation of church and state".

The problem is in America we are made up of many different races, creeds, cultures and religions. Giving one precedence over the other sets a dangerous tone. It only invites conflict. Not to mention conflict of interest.

 

[widgeteer]

Republicans are trying really hard to intertwine Religion with policy. Unfortunately the first amendment leaves the issue up to one's interpretation of the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson was concerned about the separation of church and state to the point where he wrote about it and coined the phrase "separation of church and state".

The problem is in America we are made up of many different races, creeds, cultures and religions. Giving one precedence over the other sets a dangerous tone. It only invites conflict. Not to mention conflict of interest.

1A is actually pretty clear regarding freedom of speech, and religion. The only problem that comes into play is Conservatives are constantly trying to force everyone to live under their own sharia law by gaslighting constitutional rights.

 

[bandrews]

Huh? Christians don’t say you can abort or kill a kid if he is homosexual. Homosexuals have all the same dignities as any other person.

There are plenty of christians who want to kill the gays.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...rgues-government-should-start-executing-gays/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...77.769380475.1529938006-1000669047.1529938006

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

Another reason we need Pride marches - so our voices are louder than theirs.

 

[neliason]

You sure? Instead of generalizing, give us detail. Which parts of modern culture stem from Christianity and Christianity ALONE?

Again, you sure. Please, explain more - go into detail. Or are you generalizing again because this is just what you think is the case?

Yes I’m sure. And you are too. We’d both agree that besides being a religion Christianity has a philosophy. Like any philosophy it dictates how you should live your life. It must be unique in some way otherwise we wouldn’t have a specific word for it.

Many things Christianity promotes can be found elsewhere. This shouldn’t be surprising as Christianity claims to be in accord with reason. It isn’t that you can’t find elements of a Christian culture elsewhere. It even isn’t that you won’t find people who live more in accord with the philosophy elsewhere. It is that a Christian culture will be unique in some ways because it is the underlying philosophy of most people.

Whether you agree with Christianity or not it should be obvious that a people who base their lives of off Christianity will be different than a people who base their life off of some other belief, for instance nihilism.
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Of course they do expect they get murdered, beaten, exorcised, disowned by the said "Christians"

There are plenty of christians who want to kill the gays.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...rgues-government-should-start-executing-gays/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...77.769380475.1529938006-1000669047.1529938006

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

Another reason we need Pride marches - so our voices are louder than theirs.

You can find people who claim to be Christians who will say anything. But it is dishonest to think that most Christians are in favor of murdering homosexuals. Saudi Arabia actually does murder homosexuals. It isn’t a Christian country. In fact no Christian country sanctions the murder of homosexuals.

 

[1050792]

Yes I’m sure. And you are too. We’d both agree that besides being a religion Christianity has a philosophy. Like any philosophy it dictates how you should live your life. It must be unique in some way otherwise we wouldn’t have a specific word for it.

Many things Christianity promotes can be found elsewhere. This shouldn’t be surprising as Christianity claims to be in accord with reason. It isn’t that you can’t find elements of a Christian culture elsewhere. It even isn’t that you won’t find people who live more in accord with the philosophy elsewhere. It is that a Christian culture will be unique in some ways because it is the underlying philosophy of most people.

Whether you agree with Christianity or not it should be obvious that a people who base their lives of off Christianity will be different than a people who base their life off of some other belief, for instance nihilism.
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You can find people who claim to be Christians who will say anything. But it is dishonest to think that most Christians are in favor of murdering homosexuals. Saudi Arabia actually does murder homosexuals. It isn’t a Christian country. In fact no Christian country sanctions the murder of homosexuals.

They do, since it says on their holy book that it's the right thing to do.

 

[coffeemadmanUK]

Good God... going to a Pride parade has nothing to do with development at Apple and anyone thinking the two are linked are idiotic. At best.