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Interacting with a device using my voice instead of my fingers is bad. It's not as accurate, it's not private, it disturbs a quiet environment (office, work, school, social gatherings), and it's obnoxious and confusing to those around me..
Ah! So the solution would be to havee the device recognize gestures (like the AVP does). Also, having a screen that only you can (like the AVP does) see increases privacy. Of course, using your voice would be an option when your hands are otherwise occupied.
 
Wasn’t the original reporting on this that Apple’s industrial designers wanted to wait until the company could do AG glasses but were overruled because Cook and others felt Apple needed to get something out there?
 
Ah! So the solution would be to havee the device recognize gestures (like the AVP does). Also, having a screen that only you can (like the AVP does) see increases privacy. Of course, using your voice would be an option when your hands are otherwise occupied.

Right, just like the AVP, except maybe 5 years better.

Interacting with a device using my voice instead of my fingers is bad. It's not as accurate, it's not private, it disturbs a quiet environment (office, work, school, social gatherings), and it's obnoxious and confusing to those around me..

Yes that would be bad, voice is terrible UI in nearly all situations.
 
To the push: Imagine just one device.
For most people, the phone is that one device already. I can’t remember the last time I left home with any other device.

The cynic in me thinks the prospect of collecting more data about your habits and pushing advertising in a way that is harder to avoid is the real motivation.
As far as lense technology: Sounds like an engineering problem, and one that I think might have been solved.
For all I know, it has been solved. But realize that getting custom lenses for AVP, Quest, or any other device that has a screen in front of your eyes is not the same thing. Those don’t need to be multi-focal (bifocal, progressive, etc.), which many of us need for decent vision of the real world. AR glasses would presumably have to take the place of whatever you normally wear (if you need eyeglasses) while you wear them. Unless they decide to simply not support anyone that requires more than single correction and deal with a smaller potential market, which is also a possibility.
 
Wasn’t the original reporting on this that Apple’s industrial designers wanted to wait until the company could do AG glasses but were overruled because Cook and others felt Apple needed to get something out there?
I don't know if that was reported. But it seems dubious to me. All of Apple's industrial designers on one side of the room, saying, Please don't make us do this, and Cook and "others" on the opposite side, saying, You WILL do this!

It probably happened the same way with the original iPhone. Please don't release the iPhone yet. It doesn't even have cut and paste! There's no App Store! Steve Jobs: I'm announcing it in January, so mock me up a prototype that works well enough that I don't look stupid, and we'll ship the product in June. We've got years to get it right.
 
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Not preemptive at all. I’ll freely admit I am “old fashioned” in the sense that I need tech to do what I want, when I want. Having all those things you mention pop in my field of view “automatically” is not the least bit desirable to me. Your “augmentations” are my “distractions.”

Frankly, some it just sounds like reasons to use our brains even less than we already do, though it’s not clear for what purpose. I mean, what else could you be engaged in instead if you are browsing items in a store, or navigating in a foreign country, or even meeting people you’ve met before? It’s not like we would be writing poetry while the gadget looks up price information.
I'm not sure if you just like being a contrarian :) When I say 'automatically', it seems obvious that there'd be a setting where you can customize things just like anything else these days. E.g. I don't like every iphone app sending me notifications - so I turn it off!

Yes, some of it is to not have to use our brains - but I prefer to think it is so we can use our brains for other things. It's about convenience. Sure, I could pull out my iPhone, engage the camera, and get a translation for a sign written in a foreign language. But it's much more convenient/quicker if the translation simply appeared.

Your arguments are the same ones people eschewed when smartphones came out - most, if not all the initial capabilities could be done manually. "Smartphone map navigation sounds like reasons to use our brains even less than we already do..." But I bet you're using a smartphone.
 
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Maybe i'm out of touch, but is there actually a market for these kinds of things? I try to stay OFF my phone as much as possible, so at least for me, wearing a device on my face definitely doesn't have an appeal.

I would MUCH rather them take more time to crush bugs in their software. We have strayed SO far from "it just works".
AR Glasses are THE FUTURE of low wage employment. Before robots can truly handle tasks, you will be able to hire anyone from anywhere in the world, give them some glasses, and remote control them in a way. As in, the glasses will tell you how to do your job, no education needed other than being able to follow instructions. Your boss wont even need to speak the same language as you as what he says will be translated to you by the glasses.

THIS is why it's top priority. This is also why they locked down the pro version before there was ever a need for it. The pro version is how the boss will be able to "see" all the workers, talk to them through avatars, and so on. It has nothing to do with consumers asking for this, this is military grade tech flooding the market for a specific purpose. Full spectrum dominance of every employee. Those who dont want the glasses will have to use a smart pin or a phone. But you will be tagged and you will have your performance constantly monitored. And it will keep you busy and instruct you any way you need to get your work done.

The data collection through 1st person experience will also be crucial to being able to train the robots that will ultimately completely replace people at some jobs. First it will be touted as something that lets you make more money but best believe, for some of these mega corporations, it will be what they give everyone someday if they want to have a job of any significance at all.
 
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I have owned the original RayBan Stories and then the new Meta... I absolutely love them. Not only they look great but there are so easy to use and so awesome for spontaneous captures. They are by far the best vacation accessory you can buy. I have recorded hundreds of videos hands free without the need to reach for my iPhone. The battery lasts a 3-4 hours, which is acceptable. At night they are still not as good as an iPhone but you can't beat the speed of capture and how easy it is. I hope they come up with a 4K upgrade soon and a live view on the iPhone app without using the instagram live feature. Also an automatic download to the camera roll would be most welcome.
I can't get enough of them!
 
I'm not sure if you just like being a contrarian :) When I say 'automatically', it seems obvious that there'd be a setting where you can customize things just like anything else these days. E.g. I don't like every iphone app sending me notifications - so I turn it off!
And you are choosing to gloss over the additional management of the myriad of behaviors I’m sure you see the AR glasses being able to do. At some point, you are either leaving most of them on and trying to “tune them out”, or you are constantly turning individual ones on and off. That is part of the distraction to me. My phone is simply in my pocket until I decide I need it. Nothing to manage in the meantime because it is not interrupting me in any way.

Yes, some of it is to not have to use our brains - but I prefer to think it is so we can use our brains for other things. It's about convenience. Sure, I could pull out my iPhone, engage the camera, and get a translation for a sign written in a foreign language. But it's much more convenient/quicker if the translation simply appeared.
“Other things.” Such as? What else would we be doing?
As I said before, if you are navigating, that is what you are engaged in. If you are interested in finding out an alternate price for an item on a store shelf, that is what you are engaged in. If that is not what is going on, then we are back to the glasses indiscriminately just “doing stuff” to put in front of you.

Your arguments are the same ones people eschewed when smartphones came out - most, if not all the initial capabilities could be done manually. "Smartphone map navigation sounds like reasons to use our brains even less than we already do..." But I bet you're using a smartphone.
Fair point. We’ve all come to rely on our phones for a lot of things. I just don’t see an up side to AR glasses over the smartphone for me. Looks like a much more “needy” device in terms of managing what it does in such a way that it doesn’t annoy the hell out of me.
 
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I just got Virtue Pro XR glasses to use as a monitor for my Mac and it’s a game changer!! I’ve also tried the XReal One’s and RayNeo Air 3’s. People don’t realize who powerful these things have gotten. The color / displays are amazing, just some issues with pixel density but you only notice it on text. Movies, gaming and productivity are great. And they look just like regular sunglasses.

The best part no neck pain anymore from hunching over my laptop all day.

This really is the future. I can see it replacing the iPhone/Mac 100%

I wonder what this article was about a few months ago then? https://www.macrumors.com/2025/01/31/apple-cancels-mac-connected-ar-glasses/

I wouldn’t mind Mac or iPhone connected XR glasses until we can fit them internally. The XR glasses I have now plug into anything that takes USB-C display, and there’s an add on for HDMI + Power. So you can use with PS5, Switch etc.

I don’t need all the fancy AR features yet. They should just test as an external monitor to get the ball rolling and something out in the market, then we can move to full AR.
 
"It's the only thing he's really spending his time on from a product development standpoint."
I am not sure that Tim spending time on product development is a good thing. I just remember him with U2 just completely misunderstanding his market.
 
If only there were a way to work on two things at once. That'd be crazy, huh?
If "Tim cares about nothing else," as the article quotes, that’s still concerning. Nothing against doing some R&D, but Apple has been lackluster with their core products for a number of years now, and management doesn’t seem to be aware of that.
 
Ah! So the solution would be to havee the device recognize gestures (like the AVP does). Also, having a screen that only you can (like the AVP does) see increases privacy. Of course, using your voice would be an option when your hands are otherwise occupied.
Gestures in the air with eye-tracking is rather imprecise and tiring though. It’s something to use in a pinch (haha), but it doesn’t come close to the accuracy and convenience of a touch screen, not to mention keyboard and mouse.
 
Nothing brings out the haters like a discussion of ar/vr/virtual screens... always amazes me the lack of imagination displayed. I have no idea when these glasses will become a product, won't be soon I agree, but never? Ha. My experience over the past year with the APV shows the utility is there and only going to get better. In fact, one reason I don't use it more is the time and hassle of taking it out of its case LOL. I'd buy a pair of glasses in a heartbeat with similar functionality that I can slip in and out of my pocket. So having said that, many of you are repeating the same messages so I have some comments...

I would MUCH rather them take more time to crush bugs in their software. We have strayed SO far from "it just works".

You do know Apple is not a one product shop yes? They can and do work on several things. Keep forwarding your software bugs to Apple though (sincerely).

you scratch or break the lens, you cannot just walk to the nearest optometrist and get a replacement.

You do the same thing that you do if you scratch or drop your iPhone. Or your monitor stops working for whatever reason. Shrugs.

I hate having to wear reading glasses. I certainly would not wear AR glasses.

You never ever wear sunglasses? that puts you in the minority but okay. you don't. No one is forcing you to wear AR Glasses.

I don't wear glasses, I don't want to wear glasses, and I'm not going to

Same comment. You never wear sunglasses? Never? Ever? Find that hard to believe but okay.

I'm going to keep saying it. It's a future for a certain selection of people, in certain situations. It is not, and will never be, the default option for most.

So? Even if true, so? Apple Watches are not a default option for most, but it's a useful product category that some of us like. why does it make it bad that not everyone wears Apple Watches? Pretty sure they are staying in our future for a while anyway.

Apples bread and butter have always been with adults, computer people, and the thick creamy center of the bell curve when it comes to consumer electronics. Not tweens who want to record their daily vlog activities.

Yep and Apple's marketing strategy has always included exposing kids to their products in the school so when they eventually grow up (most do, not all) they consider buying Apple computers. Like it or not, kids these days are attracted to the bright and shiny. Maybe always have been I guess.

You may not be aware that Apple, as well as other tech companies, can be engaged in multiple R&D projects simultaneously. Some rise to the top and eventually become products. Some/many, don't.

Loved this comment so much had to repeat it.

VR/AR is not an update from anything. It's a new category, and despite companies pushing it like hell, it really hasn't caught on. It's niche, and doesn't provide any real benefit that my phone doesn't already provide. My phone has the benefit of being put away the moment I'm done with it, and it's not on my face

Your phone is IN your face many a time when using it, or at least other people. You know you have seen plenty of people with heads bent staring at their screens. So yeah. Big deal if it's on my face as glasses. And btw, who ever said or implied these things would be glued on to your head?! Take them off when you don't want their functionality, just like your phone. Come on, that's not a big leap of imagination.

As far as being a new category, nahhh, people have been looking at screens for decades now. The information has evolved from simple dots, to text, to crude graphics to games these days that look real. so what?


It's not an improvement, because I can't use my fingers to interact with it. At best, I have to talk to it, which is annoying and doesn't work in crowded places, quiet places, offices, the public, etc.

Haven't used an AVP much have you? I never talk to mine. My fingers are very useful in interacting. Great way to pull up email etc. Now granted, text input is not easy, but then text input on a piece of glass (phone) was not considered easy but people have managed the skill. I do imagine (there is that word again) that Apple will improve on the virtual keyboard idea such that any more or less flat surface can become a keyboard (for my fingers). You will say, but hey, for simple tasks like that I can use my phone. Yep. But I get tired of squinting down at a small screen. Maybe you don't. I love the idea of large portable screens that I can use anywhere.

My phone can do every one those things right now, I just have to aim said camera.

Yeah, and be very obvious doing it. Not everyone wants to wave a phone around. Cityscape photographers try to minimize their equipment footprint, not maximize it.

I just don't want every jackass walking down the sidewalk or hallway to know my name.

Feeling is probably mutual, not every jackass will want to know your name. But nor do you want every jackass airdropping you random pictures. Or at least I don't. That's why I limit the functionality to people on my group list. You honestly think that won't be a customization option?!

So, nothing I can’t already manage, except more overbearing and distracting since it will bombard me with details whether I need/want them at that time or not

When you don't want the information, you can, gasp, take them off. Seriously. Put it in your pocket with your phone.

And sure, my Apple Watch does little that my phone can't do, but I have both. My iPad does little that my phone can't do, but I have both, because sometimes I want that bigger screen.

Ah! So the solution would be to havee the device recognize gestures (like the AVP does). Also, having a screen that only you can (like the AVP does) see increases privacy. Of course, using your voice would be an option when your hands are otherwise occupied.

Another comment I liked so much I quoted it. The AVP haters don't get it that it wasn't made for them, AR glasses (or whatever we are going to call them) won't just fall out of the sky, they will require sophisticated gesture recognition and software, that's what the AVP is, a first step. I think it's a fun step, but I get it not for everyone.

And you are choosing to gloss over the additional management of the myriad of behaviors I’m sure you see the AR glasses being able to do. At some point, you are either leaving most of them on and trying to “tune them out”, or you are constantly turning individual ones on and off. That is part of the distraction to me. My phone is simply in my pocket until I decide I need it. Nothing to manage in the meantime because it is not interrupting me in any way.

You don't customize your phone or computers?! wow. I know I have mine customized for all sorts of things including focus, sleep time, what info it does or does not accept from strangers (hint, not not not for me), etc. It's not a big deal at all. You do it slowly over time.
 
To rip off a classic Simpsons episode.

"Why make 31 flavors when you can't get vanilla right?"

Apple needs something akin to an operational pause. The company needs to stop for a moment, look at what's necessary, decide what works and what doesn't, and then move forward slowly.

Focus on getting it right 100% of the time. Go back to your core businesses (Mac, iPhone, Music) and forget all this VR mumbo jumbo for now.

Identify the basics. Do it BETTER than everyone else. That means ZERO mistakes at launch. When promising new features, make sure they work 100% out of the gate. NO exceptions.

Apple feels like that friend who has a drinking problem. They're somewhat functional, muddle through, but never really get anything right the first time.

They lack focus, attention to detail, and self-auditing skills.

Yep, Apple is kina like a functioning addict. Someone needs to stage an intervention.
 
But you still need to interact with it with Siri and Siri still sucks balls and they can't fix it so anything that uses it for interaction is doomed from the outset
 
"Tim cares about nothing else," Gurman quotes a person with knowledge of the matter as saying. "It's the only thing he's really spending his time on from a product development standpoint."

Believe me, we can tell.
 
Tim, why don't you first figure out how to make whole the people who bought your VisionPro. So far, it's been a great door stop.
 
Gestures in the air with eye-tracking is rather imprecise and tiring though. It’s something to use in a pinch (haha), but it doesn’t come close to the accuracy and convenience of a touch screen, not to mention keyboard and mouse.

While accuracy on AVP could be improved, imprecise is an imprecise description of the accuracy of eye tracking. And when you need to use your AVP like a Mac, you can connect devices like keyboards. Imagine in 5 or 10 years using your AVP as your iPhone, watch, and Mac… it’s already not far off, just needs to be in the class of glasses and not goggles.

Nothing brings out the haters like a discussion of ar/vr/virtual screens... always amazes me the lack of imagination displayed. I have no idea when these glasses will become a product, won't be soon I agree, but never? Ha. My experience over the past year with the APV shows the utility is there and only going to get better. In fact, one reason I don't use it more is the time and hassle of taking it out of its case LOL. I'd buy a pair of glasses in a heartbeat with similar functionality that I can slip in and out of my pocket. So having said that, many of you are repeating the same messages so I have some comments...


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You never ever wear sunglasses? that puts you in the minority but okay. you don't. No one is forcing you to wear AR Glasses.


Same comment. You never wear sunglasses? Never? Ever? Find that hard to believe but okay.

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Your phone is IN your face many a time when using it, or at least other people. You know you have seen plenty of people with heads bent staring at their screens. So yeah. Big deal if it's on my face as glasses. And btw, who ever said or implied these things would be glued on to your head?! Take them off when you don't want their functionality, just like your phone. Come on, that's not a big leap of imagination.

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Haven't used an AVP much have you? I never talk to mine. My fingers are very useful in interacting. Great way to pull up email etc. Now granted, text input is not easy, but then text input on a piece of glass (phone) was not considered easy but people have managed the skill. I do imagine (there is that word again) that Apple will improve on the virtual keyboard idea such that any more or less flat surface can become a keyboard (for my fingers). You will say, but hey, for simple tasks like that I can use my phone. Yep. But I get tired of squinting down at a small screen. Maybe you don't. I love the idea of large portable screens that I can use anywhere.



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Feeling is probably mutual, not every jackass will want to know your name. But nor do you want every jackass airdropping you random pictures. Or at least I don't. That's why I limit the functionality to people on my group list. You honestly think that won't be a customization

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Exactly, there was a time when Palm Pilots were seen as a potential future. Better than electronic organizers, but they were still missing communication (WiFi wasn’t ubiquitous, IR was the typical method of wireless data transfer). And I remember imagining how nice it would have been to join the phone and palm pilot together into one. And no one did it meaningfully better than walking with two devices until the iPhone.

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Right, I don’t think it would be that annoying to wear glasses every time I wanted to use my phone if it meant I didn’t have to hold my phone or have my Apple Watch. If you told someone 35 years ago they’d have to walk around with a phone in their hands 75% of their waking day they’d refuse. But with the right functionality we all do it willingly, instead of reading a newspaper or magazine… (or unfortunately talking to a person face to face).

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Take the glasses off or, perhaps turn on “limited” mode and leave them on your face, and just walk around with a clock in the upper left corner of your eyes. And many people wouldn’t feel the need to check their phones because their glasses would have a tiny notification next to the clock to say if an important message came in.

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AVP is the most amazing device, equally painful to wear for me, and still somehow worth using to power through the pain. Make them small and lighter and I’d never take them off.

I think for many people, using the AVP might help their imagination.

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And unfortunately, if your face has been on the internet, your face is already being tracked by ClearView.

Tim, why don't you first figure out how to make whole the people who bought your VisionPro. So far, it's been a great door stop.

I don’t feel like Apple was anything but upfront that AVP was not a device for the masses, it was as close to a public beta of hardware that they’ve ever produced (at least in a long while).
 
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