Hey Tim, you know that $2M check you're sending to the SPLC, is it going directly to the Cayman Islands?
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Apple CEO Tim Cook and Other Leaders Sign Letter Asking Trump to Protect DACA Program
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Whatever view you are trying to advance you lose all credibility, and all respect, in my eyes when you use negative ethnic stereotypes. This comment should be removed.
8 years as dictator and liberals still blame Bush, WHO KEPT AMERICA SAFE AFTER 9/11, for every problem obama had lol
"Unless we act now to preserve the DACA program, all 780,000 hardworking young people will lose their ability to work legally in this country, and every one of them will be at immediate risk of deportation. Our economy would lose $460.3 billion from the national GDP and $24.6 billion in Social Security and Medicare tax contributions."
You're saying 780,000 workers contribute $460.3 billion to GDP... yea no. That's not correct.
You're saying 780,000 workers contribute $460.3 billion to GDP... yea no. That's not correct.
If I were Trump, I would laugh in Tim Cook and Co's faces. None of those preening CEOs have a problem with illegal immigration, whether it's DACA or any other aspect. So why trust anything the imbeciles have to say?
Trumps wants to stop illegal immigration, as he should. DACA rewards it, and only encourages millions of other people to cross our borders illegally, expecting their kids will benefit from DACA or whatever other amnesty program that's popular among out of touch politicians and their rich lackeys.
But cancelling DACA sends a clear message: once illegal, always illegal. Pretty soon, people south of the border will realize that breaking our laws always catches up with them or their children, and they'll stop coming.
Trumps wants to stop illegal immigration, as he should. DACA rewards it, and only encourages millions of other people to cross our borders illegally, expecting their kids will benefit from DACA or whatever other amnesty program that's popular among out of touch politicians and their rich lackeys.
But cancelling DACA sends a clear message: once illegal, always illegal. Pretty soon, people south of the border will realize that breaking our laws always catches up with them or their children, and they'll stop coming.
ummm...have you actually READ the Constitution of the United States of America?
Have you?
I doubt it. It doesn't take long to read, and it is so simply worded that anyone can "Get it". Try reading it. It's online, all over the place. Most of what people call "unconstitutional" is in fact nothing more than urban myth.
Surely you must be joking, but I fear you are not. Like your religion is some kind of all-or-nothing badge. Ridiculous. Throughout history, never has there been such a large group of self-righteous self-serving hypocrites as Christians. You think that calling yourself a Christian puts you on some sort of moral high ground and better than the people you're calling "self-focused money changers", many of whom probably also call themselves Christians? Please, leave religion out of this, it just muddies the waters of the topic at hand, and you're clearly out of your depth.
How are people who have no Social Security number paying into Social Security?
[doublepost=1504280161][/doublepost]Tim Cook should stay out of politics and focus on Apple products.
It is rumored that those already in may be grandfathered in but we will see.
Regardless, we can all sympathize for those kids who had no control, but what about the parents? Laws must be in place to deter this from continuing as it does a disservice to those that actually follow the process (some of whom I know personally and they very much agree).
Those are jobs that could all be filled by Americans and legal green card holders who actually belong here.
If someone announced a program that would create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, it would be praised. Well, Trump cancelling DACA is that program.
Care to elaborate your position on the "simply worded" Constitution regarding DACA?
Perhaps the person you responded to was calling it unconstitutional due to executive overreach. The Commander in Chief cannot make laws regarding immigration. That power/authority is reserved for the legislative branch.
The only reason Obama forced it via an executive order was because Congress wouldn't pass the law, so he circumvented the separation of powers/checks and balances laid out in the Constitution, which is clearly unconstitutional.
Most problems require simple solutions, not "complex and subtle" ones as you say. For instance, your "complex and subtle" solution of letting hundreds of thousands of illegal
immigrants stay in our country will only invite hundreds of thousands more to cross our border illegally. It will never end, which is proven already by the fact that we've granted amnesty to other illegal immigrants in the past and it has only encouraged more to come (see Ronald Reagan, etc).
So your "complex and subtle" solution is to undermine our own laws, until no one takes them seriously at all and everybody gets to do whatever they want. That doesn't sound like a good idea in a society that's supposed to be governed by law.
The *simple* solution, on the other hand, is to actually enforce our laws. It's the law, so we follow it. And the law says those people are here illegally (even if it's their parents' fault) and since we don't want to encourage MORE illegality, we send all illegals back.
It's a simple solution, and it would be an effective one that would strengthen respect for our immigration laws (and the rule of law in general) rather than undermining it, which is what DACA does now.
They can pay income taxes (to include Social Security taxes) with an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.
They aren't eligible to collect Social Security benefits, of course, unless they eventually obtain lawful residence status. But they can and are required by law to pay taxes.
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Is it your belief that employment is a zero-sum game?
That would be a scary thought. (It isn't a zero-sum game, by the way.) Think of what that would mean for society in general.
EDIT: I would add... We don't have an issue in this nation with enough jobs being available. What we have an issue with (to the extent we have an issue with employment conditions, which in overall and relative historic terms we really don't; we're as near to full employment as is reasonably possible and sustainable over time) is some groups of people being qualified for or willing to take some of the jobs which are available. As the kinds of jobs our advancing economy needs filled change, some people are incapable of keeping up or unwilling to adapt. That's natural; it's just how economic aspects of society work and have always worked.
We're actually seeing historically high numbers for job openings. Remarkably, we now have nearly as many job openings (within a million or so) as we have people who are seeking employment.
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IPPlanMan implied no such thing. The phrase you used is widely interpreted as offensive, even if you didn't intend that. It's ok to admit being wrong. But if you stand by those words, it's difficult to avoid concluding you actually did mean it.
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"It's clear what I meant?" Are you implying that I'm anti-Semitic and that Jesus himself was also not Jewish?
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So you're more worried about some imagined slight against Jews than the actual issue at hand, which is the relocation of a minority group en masse by a racially-biased government. Amazing. Fine, I'll rescind using the term that seems to have hurt your feelings, and perhaps you can consider how people felt back in Germany in the 30s when you change the subject from what's happening to these DACA kids. What a shame.
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I agree that there has to be some kind of enforcement, but I think that for people in this situation that ship has sailed and they need to focus on moving forward instead of trying to reconcile the past. Reagan understood this. My own grandparents did things by the book but I also understand that some people have or believe that have no other options. Also, if we want to know the culprit for this situation, we can all look in the mirror. We Americans turned a blind eye when it was time to keep produce and restaurant prices down, but now that the "better" blue collar jobs have been drying up due to automation, suddenly we're thrilled with enforcement as a nation. It's much easier to blame these "others" and "outsiders" than it is to accept that these manufacturing roles are gone for good, and also accept the fact that American kids are not going to want to stand in the sun for 10 hours a day harvesting strawberries by hand for seasonal work.
As for the grandfathering, from what I understand this is about to go to court by a pack of governors, and it will be up to Jeff Sessions to decide how to "fight" them, and given his prior statements, it will likely be an exercise in futility to assume that Trump and his buddies will try to do a 180 on this issue when his core base is really all he has left at this point. With Paul Ryan apparently urging Trump to leave the program intact (because a lot of this will affect Wisconsin's dairy industry) Trump, being a vengeful person, will likely be further enticed to puff up his chest and "show who's boss" by trying to kill DACA in order to attack Ryan, with little to no regard to the people who are hurt by his latest tantrum.
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Your rhetoric is confused.
I am strongly supportive of DACA. I said nothing to the contrary.
It's odd that you invoke Nazi Germany to minimize peoples concerns over your use of a phrase that is considered anti-Semitic, but I do appreciate you 'rescinding' your use of it.
I consider preparing Americans for the workforce (or lack thereof) a separate issue from immigration. Allowing illegal immigration causes more problems than it is worth, while LEGAL immigration helps to grow America for the good.
Not all those jobs would be filled, at the wage prices currently paid. But many likely would be.
Let's flip that over and say Bush was unable to prevent 9/11.
I mean, the Clinton Adminstration had been keeping an eye on Osama bin Laden, but the Bush Administration swept everything off the table and set their own opposite-of-Clinton agenda when they entered the White House... kinda like Trump with his even more fervent opposite-of-Obama agenda. I wonder who Obama was keeping an eye on that Trump is ignoring out of spite.
Obviously the criminals go first (non DACA) and the DACAs go last. Some of them do have criminal records though. So they would be the first of them to go. For those 18 and over you have to wonder if/why they didn’t apply for citizenship. If they didn’t even try or are getting food stamps then they get deported. They can apply like everyone else. Perhaps some can get visas (college kids) but they would need to pay some restitution such as any free money they received before getting the visas. Under 18 they can be deported with the parents as it’s the parents who put them in this predicament in the first place. It’s not America’s fault or problem.
I don't need to imply anything. You said what you said and you meant it. However, you thought your supposed higher morality on this would give you a pass. That term is widely known as an anti-Semitic and offensive slur against Jews. You obviously didn't care and it's not an "imagined slight" as you put it. It's very real.
And then you doubled down and invoked a Nazi germany allusion after using an anti-Semitic term.
And then you said the US government is racially-biased. That's rich.
DACA Policy isn't about a specific race, but you knew that.
Jews aren't a specific race, but you may not have known that or cared either way.
So it wasn't only a "racially biased" government in Germany against Jews as you said, was it...
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No I agree with you which is why I'm on the fence. We can't just have unfettered access to our borders but at the same time we have individuals who didn't have a choice about being in America. If the program ends the US will look heartless. The program could remain active with restrictions. Other areas of immigration will probably suffer. It's hard choices on all sides.