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Apple CEO Tim Cook and Other Leaders Sign Letter Asking Trump to Protect DACA Program
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I'm going to laugh even harder when he terminates it. This country is finally getting some long overdue JUSTICE.
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Or they could just do what the left always does when they're in power and ram the legislation they want down the other side's throat. That sounds pretty good after the last eight years.
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Or they could just do what the left always does when they're in power and ram the legislation they want down the other side's throat. That sounds pretty good after the last eight years.
My goodness, what planet do you live on? Is this what a constant diet of Fox News and conspiracy theory web sites does to people???
Also, you are a racist. Please go away.
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Easier said than done. Republicans wanted to do that with Obamacare but strangely Republicans suddenly realized that taking away health care from millions of Americans is a losing issue, DUH. This has been happening on issue after issue during 2017.
It’s not just mainstream media, you can look at the financial and job markets yourself. But you wouldn’t want to, as it reflects terribly on your demented bacon homunculus-in-chief.
From the DACA site FAQ's:
There appear to also be several other avenues to become a more permanent resident.
I don't know a lot about DACA but a quick search shows there are wheat looks to be options.
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Yep, I only go to conspiracy sites.
Yes, this was exactly it. After arranging a winning repeal vote (with an awful bill that was basically Obamacare lite), the entire Republican party "suddenly realized" mid-vote that it was a losing issue, exactly at the same time when John Cancer-Brain McCain waltzed in and gave a thumbs down, de-railing the entire setup.
Hi - foreigner speaking here (i.e. don't care about Dem/Rep): The start of the financial crisis was before even GW Bush - the erosion of the capital requirements for banks started in the 70s, continued under Reagan and Clinton (repeal of Glass-Steagall).
DACA is a balance between compassion and potential for abuse. It's not clear-cut which answer is morally right. Depending on whether one values the life and well-being of every human equally, compared to prioritizing that of those closer to you (family, community, country)
Yep, I only go to conspiracy sites.
Yes, this was exactly it. After arranging a winning repeal vote (with an awful bill that was basically Obamacare lite), the entire Republican party "suddenly realized" mid-vote that it was a losing issue, exactly at the same time when John Cancer-Brain McCain waltzed in and gave a thumbs down, de-railing the entire setup.
The GOP has had close to 40 years of telling the US that Unversal Healthcare is bad. And that they have a better way (than the rest of the world aparantly
)After the ACA was passed they spend what 6 years saying they had a better plan??? After after getting the Congress, SCOTUS, and the Presidency. We find out they really had NO plan. Nothing. All that time was spent blowing hot air.
Dems/GOP seems to only care about their party’s interests.
The GOP has had close to 40 years of telling the US that Unversal Healthcare is bad. And that they have a better way (than the rest of the world aparantly
After the ACA was passed they spend what 6 years saying they had a better plan??? After after getting the Congress, SCOTUS, and the Presidency. We find out they really had NO plan. Nothing. All that time was spent blowing hot air.
Dems/GOP seems to only care about their party’s interests.
I agree entirely. GOP betrayed what they claimed to stand for and completely capitulated to the Dems, though not that they are too different politically. For all practical purposes, they are the same party, the party for themselves ("the establishment"). I want to see almost everyone in Congress lose their jobs, especially the leadership. Primary all of them, remove all of them.
Also form a constitutional convention and pass a congressional term limit amendment. One term, the end.
We actually have term limits: voting.
Who occupy our government is totally up to us. The problem is simply this:
US citizens rarely vote. And when we do, it is in dismally low numbers. Imagine if we really all started voting every one of them out whenever they start to care about their party more than the electorate? After two cycles, I think they would get the picture: you work for us.
Wow!
Granted I have not been keeping up on the news but has this been in the news?
That is great news for the country and those looking for work.
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That was not my take on why Jesus flipped the tables. It was more about where the tables were.
He is a Trump supporter, that's all you need to know. Really, let's not feed the troll. He's beyond reality in a special place that only FOXNews viewers venture to.
That view is a very shortsighted one...rather cruel too. Here is why: American taxpayers have invested in these kids k-12th grade. And you want to ship them off to another country after we have paid for their education?That's just dumb.
Sure there is. Just let them stay and give an easy path to legal citizenship. They already know the language, already know the history and culture, already were educated in American schools by American taxpayers, some are even valedictorians of their graduating class. It would be just beyond stupid to send them to a country they don't even know after we have paid for their education.
And what if they have kids of their own now who ARE citizens? Should we send the parents away and make their childern orphans? And then pay for THAT too?
I know we Americans can do some really dumb things sometimes, but this would be one of the dumbest of all.
Who says they all haven't? Some of this stuff takes a really long time to process....years. And they were told to come back at check in every so often and things would be fine. Now the U.S. is potentially going back on it's word. A complete betrayal. And a stupid one at that for the reasons I listed above.
What I would like to see is this. Folks who are entering illegally are putting their lives at risk and face potential jail time when trying to get to the US. I understand why. What I don't understand is why don't they fight for the country they're from? Why not try to make life better before trying to leave? The US was born out of protest and defying a government that was unjust. What happened to fighting for what you want. Is it just easier to give up and come to the US? I understand why people come, but we do need controls. We can't take everyone. Unfortunately I think children and families will suffer. Again there are no EASY solutions.
No kidding. That is why I asked the question / made the statement.
Want to blame someone? Blame Congress and Obama. Obama for signing DACA in and Congress for not doing something with it. DACA was never meant to be a permanent fix. DAPA was sued/killed. Expanded DACA was sued/killed. DACA will be next unless Congress does something. The US isn't going back on its' word. We had a President who created this "opportunity" and did nothing but dump it into the next President's lap. It gave the folks in question time to pursue means to become legal.
We don't have to take everyone. But we should leave people alone that were brought here as childern or even babies and know nothing else. I heard an ignorant politician from Kansas say they should return to their home county. Dumb. If you were brought to the United States as a baby, the United States IS your home country.
As for immigrants making their own countries great, you seem to not realize that some of these countries are quite corrupt and lawlessness and crime runs rampant, often ran by very powerful people. You go up against them and you die. So I don't fault people looking for a better life. But that is a seperate issue from allowing kids who were raised in the U.S. from staying in the only country they have known and who we have invested millions of dollars in education on. Penny wise and pound foolish.
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I just learned that people under the DACA plan had to pay $495 dollars payable to Homeland Security. And that's in addition to any other expenses they might have had like attorneys or whatever. What a crock. This seems like a breach of contract of some sort. What did they pay all that money and fill out all that paperwork for? Nothing?
http://www.e4fc.org/dacaguide.html
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Paperwork costs. If you need the use of an immigration attorney, that's more. Not unexpected.
I suspect if the applicant was "perfect" and had a "perfect" situation and "perfect" paperwork it would be a smooth relatively cheap effort. That is seldom the case.
Again, it's a minimum of $495. Still seems like a breech of contract to me. And based upon on what? That these people are taking jobs from American youth? I'd like some proof on that. Not going to take Jeff Sessions word on that one.
Let's face it, this isn't about that. It's about a Republican administration playing identity politics, feeding their base...some of which are racist white nationalists, and once again sticking it to a group they don't like.
It isn't. Its not Democrat or Republican.
There was concern over children of illegals brought into the US. Dreamers was doing not much. Obama did DACA. He tried DAPA and Expanded DACA - those were sued and stopped. Since 2012, we have had a President and a Congress that did nothing with this opportunity. Now we have a new President. Now we have States that have told the DOJ that unless DACA is stopped, they will sue and based on DAPA/EDACA would win.
Preach Identity Politics, Republican President, etc... It is about legality and a former President and Congress who never took that next step. Congress has another chance. Time is running out.
Quick note: filing legal documents and applications of that type are not cheap. Not a fan of the $495+ but it is representative of the times.
What is those states' standing theory? Is it similar to Mississippi's standing theory, Mississippi having already lost its challenge to (the original) DACA on standing grounds?
There have already been challenges to (the original) DACA. They haven't been successful. There are colorable arguments that it's unconstitutional (e.g., as not being within the discretion granted by our immigration laws or the president's discretion in general), but those arguments are by no means slam dunks. Our immigration laws grant substantial discretion to the agencies administering and enforcing those laws. And DACA was designed (e.g. by, in theory, granting deferred action on a case-by-case basis) to arguably remain within that discretion.
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Are you in favor of such people (i.e. those eligible for deferred status under the original DACA program) being allowed to apply to become lawful permanent residents or citizens? If so, that would go even further than the DACA program currently does.
With limited exceptions, such people haven't had a way to gain such lawful status. That's the issue. We have large numbers of people, many of whom have lived meaningfully all of their lives in the United States, who - through no fault of their own - have been stuck in a legal limbo of sorts. They've had no path to a legal status in the country which is, as much as it is for anyone else, their home. There isn't a somewhere for them to go back to. They've never known life in another country. They may not have roots of any kind in another country. This is, for all intents and purposes, where they come from. Yet, in certain regards they aren't allowed to live within the law here. They are forced - through he actions of others and the interactions of various provisions of our laws - to live outside our laws.
It's an untenable situation. They don't have reasonable options. And, again, that's through no fault of their own. They are, in effect, being punished for the actions of others. That's antithetical to this nation's foundational notions. Further, it's not just a bad situation for them and those who care about them. It's a bad situation for this nation and for the communities which they live in. Having people living in a nation (or state or county or city or whatever) - people who have little choice but to live there - who aren't allowed to live in accordance with the laws of that nation (again, not by their own choice, but due to circumstances beyond their control which they found themselves in), creates various problems for that nation (or county or whatever).
If it was a situation where such people could have applied for lawful residence but refused to, that would be different. But as it has been, they haven't had that option. They haven't had any options really, other than to live outside the laws of the nation which is the only home they've ever known.
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Eliminating birthright citizenship would require a constitutional amendment. I think there's very little chance that such an amendment would get ratified. At any rate, it would be hard to make it part of the kind of deal you're suggesting.
Also, a statutory elimination of any future amnesty would be toothless; it would be a largely symbolic gesture. Regardless of what statutory provisions were enacted now, a future Congress could still enact provisions which grant amnesty. Current Congresses can't bind future Congresses in that way.
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On what basis would they have been eligible to apply for citizenship?
The answer, for the most part, is that they wouldn't have been eligible. That's part of the issue. They - through no fault of their own - haven't had a way to obtain a lawful status.
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Fair enough.
What additional restrictions on the DACA program do you think would be appropriate?
Not that I am for or against so much, rather that this is an issue that should have been handled years ago. Either make an exception and allow them a path to naturalize or don't and ensure their removal.
The path for DACA folks to become naturalized ... do they all want this? I know a couple (work with) that had DACA status. One is on the way to become a citizen (via Advance Parole with help from our legal group) and the other married a local. There are options. Easy? No. An immigration attorney can help. In the end, this is a Congressional failure. This should have been addressed, stay or go. President Trump has been left holding the Hot Potato when the timer went off.
Why should the U.S. be the last resort? On what basis?
What would you have had Obama do?
Here is what he did in the former President’s own words:
You can read his entire three page response here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...owing-trumps-ending-of-daca-transcript-242339
Before Obama signed the EO, he should have had something in the plan for naturalization which has to come via Congress. I suspect, JMO, that he wanted to use DACA to force a Congressional action. Since he didn't get it, nor was it looking like he would, he needed something else other than dump it in the lap of the next President. There is a lot of wonder regarding this EO. President Obama knows the Constitution and likely realized the shaky ground this EO was built on.
President Obama never expected in his wildest dreams to be succeeded by Donald Trump. What did he expect? A deferred action to last forever? He knew sooner or later States would challenge DACA. Dead duck.
We are a very rich country but we don't have unlimited resources. They're are many western countries that are not 3rd world that could help people. It doesn't always have to be the US. If we don't have some type of controls in place then people would just walk right in. And even with immigration policies in place people still choose to cross illegally. This issue is not easy for anyone. I recommend that anyone currently in the DACA program be vetted again and as long their paperwork is in order they be granted permanent resident status so they can continue to go to work and school etc.