Apple CEO Tim Cook and Other Leaders Sign Letter Asking Trump to Protect DACA Program

[Verita]

The only joke was the jobs obama was losing for this country

HAHAHAHAHA

Buddy, you seem so easily manipulated by numbers; it's sad and hilarious at the same time. So, the Bush administration couldn't foresee or prevent an economic catastrophe, that he handed off to Obama. 213 then blames Obama.

I've got a car to sell you. Then I'll light a fire in the trunk as you drive off. Enjoy your new ride!

 

[0388631]

Never heard of DACA until this morning reading various sites. Is it part of the DREAMer program?

 

[gugy]

Are you old enough to remember what was happening in the fall of 2008? Because you should really educate yourself on these topics before posting images like that making yourself look so foolish. The U.S financial system went nuclear in 2008, after 8 years of George W Bush being president. Obama was sworn in January of 2009 with the economy in a total death spiral, so of course jobs were being lost left and right during that first year of his term. No president has ever been sworn in during a worse situation. In the following 7 years under Obama, the economy continued to improve and add many millions of jobs back, so whoever you're listening to on this type of information you should probably stop asap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008

People have short or selective memories. I remember it very well. Bush left the country in shambles when Obama took over. It took many years, but Obama was able to recover it for the most part. Trump now is enjoying that success.
Just wait. I would not be surprised Trump will leave the country in shambles as well. We'll see. I hope he does not for the sake of all of us.
So far Trump has been awful. I don't think this is going to get any better.
As for DACA, I am against Trump's move. These kids are already here, and most of them are educate and probably speak English better than their native languages. Use them and absorb in the community.
America is great because immigrants from all over the world (including me) work hard to make this place our home. It has been this way for centuries.

 

[0388631]

I've never heard of "money changer" either. Wiki doesn't say much about it. I've heard the nasty term "shyster" to demean Jews before. Unfortunately, that's a word thrown out a lot by people these days. Including Hollywood, which should know better, but they're all frauds.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

ummm...have you actually READ the Constitution of the United States of America?

Have you?

I doubt it. It doesn't take long to read, and it is so simply worded that anyone can "Get it". Try reading it. It's online, all over the place. Most of what people call "unconstitutional" is in fact nothing more than urban myth.

I've read the constitution and in fact there are constitutional questions regarding DACA. To the point that ten states' Attorneys General have pledged to challenge DACA September 5th if changes aren't made. That doesn't speak to whether it's good policy or not (and the challenges are generally politically motivated at heart) but you can't be instantly dismissive of those questioning its legality. Depending on what actions the administration does or does not take this could end up before the Supreme Court and they can determine whether it passes constitutional muster (they've all read the constitution as well).

 

[justiny]

The only joke was the jobs obama was losing for this country

You mean during the economic recession which unfolded under President Bush 43?

I love reading Trumpeters grabbing onto the coat tails of anyone who was successful and claiming the victory for themselves.

BTW, Trump's approval rating is 34%. Nothing will be accomplished when your approval rating is that toxic.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

 

[Ca$hflow]

Most problems require simple solutions, not "complex and subtle" ones as you say. For instance, your "complex and subtle" solution of letting hundreds of thousands of illegal
immigrants stay in our country will only invite hundreds of thousands more to cross our border illegally. It will never end, which is proven already by the fact that we've granted amnesty to other illegal immigrants in the past and it has only encouraged more to come (see Ronald Reagan, etc).

So your "complex and subtle" solution is to undermine our own laws, until no one takes them seriously at all and everybody gets to do whatever they want. That doesn't sound like a good idea in a society that's supposed to be governed by law.

The *simple* solution, on the other hand, is to actually enforce our laws. It's the law, so we follow it. And the law says those people are here illegally (even if it's their parents' fault) and since we don't want to encourage MORE illegality, we send all illegals back.

It's a simple solution, and it would be an effective one that would strengthen respect for our immigration laws (and the rule of law in general) rather than undermining it, which is what DACA does now.

Your "simple" solution would create resentment from young people who have never known any other country being abandoned by the only country they have known. They voluntarily raised their hand when DACA was introduced and now would fear being persecuted and feel tricked. This will not create respect by any means except in your fantasy. This in turn could and most likely will give a reason for increased terrorism because it validates that the US are lying a$$holes. Booting people out like this will exasperate the problem and not solve it. Law makers have the authority of amending the laws and we the people can help make it happen. Paul Ryan which is a hardliner even agrees with this which rarely I agree with him. But in this case he is right.

 

[Aluminum213]

You mean during the economic recession which unfolded under President Bush 43?

I love reading Trumpeters grabbing onto the coat tails of anyone who was successful and claiming the victory for themselves.

BTW, Trump's approval rating is 34%. Nothing will be accomplished when your approval rating is that toxic.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

So you blame Bush for things when he’s at his ranch in Texas, but Obama get no blame for anything.

So let’s talk about Bush keeping America safe after 9/11

 

[0388631]

Mexican terrorism? Is that even a thing?

 

[Ca$hflow]

So you blame Bush for things when he’s at his ranch in Texas, but Obama get no blame for anything.

So let’s talk about Bush keeping America safe after 9/11

How did he do that exactly? Enter into a war under a false pretext of weapons of mass destruction and here we are 16 years later. Now the military complex has increased another approx 50 billion plus per year. With that amount of money every high school graduate can go to school tuition free. What hell!

 

[Aluminum213]

How did he do that exactly? Enter into a war under a false pretext of weapons of mass destruction and here we are 16 years later. Now the military complex has increased another approx 50 billion plus per year. With that amount of money every high school graduate can go to school tuition free. What hell!

Bush kept America safe after 9/11

Everything we did in Iraq and the Middle East was worth it just for that

 

[Dekema2]

All that needs to be said

MAGA!

If this is an attempt at sarcasm, you failed miserably. And I feel sorry for the suckers that liked your post, you and them are probably part of a larger cohort of misinformed Fox viewers that got Trump elected in the first place.

I'm sure you've seen this chart before...

Just because Obama was losing jobs on day 1 doesn't mean he was responsible for it. And as you can tell, as soon as he took office they did a 180.

Conversely, just because Bush gained jobs on day 1 doesn't mean he allowed that to happen.
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Bush kept America safe after 9/11

Everything we did in Iraq and the Middle East was worth it just for that

You do realize Iraq was a fabricated offensive invasion right? Maybe Afghanistan could be justified because that's where Osama was believed to be, but Iraq was a 100% lie.
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So you blame Bush for things when he’s at his ranch in Texas, but Obama get no blame for anything.

So let’s talk about Bush keeping America safe after 9/11

I'd blame Obama for certain things, of course. Why didn't he curtail NSA spying and renew the Patriot Act for one? Why did he keep people involved with the crash? Guantanamo is still open. Just a few of many.

 

[Aluminum213]

If this is an attempt at sarcasm, you failed miserably. And I feel sorry for the suckers that liked your post, you and them are probably part of a larger cohort of misinformed Fox viewers that got Trump elected in the first place.

I'm sure you've seen this chart before...

Just because Obama was losing jobs on day 1 doesn't mean he was responsible for it. And as you can tell, as soon as he took office they did a 180.

Conversely, just because Bush gained jobs on day 1 doesn't mean he allowed that to happen.
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You do realize Iraq was a fabricated offensive invasion right? Maybe Afghanistan could be justified because that's where Osama was believed to be, but Iraq was a 100% lie.
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I'd blame Obama for certain things, of course. Why didn't he curtail NSA spying and renew the Patriot Act for one? Why did he keep people involved with the crash? Guantanamo is still open. Just a few of many.

Men lie women lie numbers don’t. The economy, Wall Street and jobs are at an ALL TIME HIGH under PRESIDENT Trump. These facts must hurt those like you and the liberal media very much, because you all so badly want America to fail and be like Greece and Italy. I have bad news for you, Trump was elected, thanks be to Jesus, and he won’t let that happen

 

[0388631]

How is the jobs report under Trump correct while incorrect under Obama? Debate with facts. If the market crashes or there's an attack on American soil, will you be blaming Obama or Trump? Seeing as Trump's been reversing Obama era laws.

 

[a0me]

If they're smart enough, they'll be able to "dream" in their country of origin.

"Country of origin" doesn't mean much for a generation of "immigrants" who've lived most of their life in the US.

 

[gnasher729]

How are people who have no Social Security number paying into Social Security?

I'd have a very simple solution for that. I hope you can figure it out.

 

[its93rc]

My bestfriend is one of the 700K people on the DACA program. She’s very talented and helps out by tutoring other students at our University for a little above minimum wage. She’s great and I love her to death, so it breaks me to see her apprehensive about her future due to the possibility of this program coming to an end. She’s been here in the US since she was 9-10 (She is 25; I am 24.) America IS her country at this point, so I’m happy people like Tim Cook support others who strive to better their lives and those of their peers.

That being said, I do support tighter immigration, but most of these people are harmless and positively contribute to our society. People like my friend Make America Great.

 

[eatrains]

Men lie women lie numbers don’t. The economy, Wall Street and jobs are at an ALL TIME HIGH under PRESIDENT Trump. These facts must hurt those like you and the liberal media very much, because you all so badly want America to fail and be like Greece and Italy. I have bad news for you, Trump was elected, thanks be to Jesus, and he won’t let that happen

Is this a joke/parody account? I really can't tell.

 

[Naaaaak]

This is a tricky one. They are technically illegal immigrants.

No, there is nothing tricky about it. They are not legal citizens -- they are illegal immigrants. They have to go back. They were done a disservice by former government officials who pretended they were citizens because they wanted their party to gain votes (the same party that not coincidentally thinks voter ID and voter verification are "racist"). They were also done a disservice by their parents who thought that the "land of the free" was, in some cases, the "land of the free stuff".

No country in the world allows you to walk in as an illegal immigrant and pretend that crossing their border magically nets you and anyone with you instant legal citizenship.

If you try to enter Mexico illegally, you get fined, imprisoned, then sent back. It's not "racist" to defend your borders, language, and culture by denying illegal immigrants. Mexico is not "racist" or "inhumane" for wanting to defend their own and uphold a legal process; nor are we.

The people who allowed illegal immigrants to stay in the first place created this mess, knowing full well that the longer it went on the harder it would be to change, and are directly responsible. There is nothing that compels us to compound their wrong decision making. Doing the right thing is unfortunately, sometimes the hard thing. They have to go back.

 

[dk001]

My bestfriend is one of the 700K people on the DACA program. She’s very talented and helps out by tutoring other students at our University for a little above minimum wage. She’s great and I love her to death, so it breaks me to see her apprehensive about her future due to the possibility of this program coming to an end. She’s been here in the US since she was 9-10 (She is 25; I am 24.) America IS her country at this point, so I’m happy people like Tim Cook support others who strive to better their lives and those of their peers.

That being said, I do support tighter immigration, but most of these people are harmless and positively contribute to our society. People like my friend Make America Great.

Has she done anything to change her immigration status? DACA was never meant to be a permanent status. I would hope she has.

 

[Naaaaak]

Now is a perfect time for Conservatives and Centrist to compromise with the Left.

Grant DACA applicants a legal limited form of legal status in exchange for funding for a border wall, statutory elimination of any future amnesty, and elimination of birth right citizenship for children of illegal aliens.

Both sides get what they want.

There's no reason to compromise. The left created this mess by allowing anyone to come over and pretend that the act of crossing our border entitled anyone to full citizen rights and benefits. They did it to acquire votes, knowing full-well they were going to hook illegal immigrants along with handouts, welfare, freebies, translators, work programs, future promises of citizenship, etc. to make them permanently vote Democrat. The Democrats consistently oppose Voter ID laws and voter fraud verifications because both are things that deny them votes from the illegal immigrant demographic they've been tending to for so long. "Compromising" with Democrats now to make illegal immigrants magically legal gives them a permanent win without any future legal recourse to counter it -- they'll gain a permanent voting bloc for not following the rule of law and screwing everyone in the first place!

When the left is in control, they run roughshod over everyone and do whatever they want. See: Obamacare. See: This "resist" crap. Only when they are losing do they speak of "compromise". The left only gets away with it because the Republican leadership is weak, capitulating, inept, and anti-conservative.

We can fund a border wall, eliminate future amnesty, eliminate of birth right citizenship for children of illegal aliens, and end anchor baby crap without such compromise. It won't be instant -- we need to primary any Republican voting against conservative interests and clean up the party so the majorities in power actually mean something. The current Paul Ryan / Mitch McConnel / RINO-led globalist idiocy that does nothing or whatever the Democrats want must go.
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According to the Article There are 780,000 hardworking young people who will lose their ability to work legally in this country

What happened to the American "Dreamers"? Why do legal citizen interests take a back seat to non-citizen interests? We certainly have 780,000 legal citizens we could take off the unemployment rolls. Why are we putting legal citizens at the back of the line?

We are a national made stronger by skilled immigrants.

We are a nation made stronger by LEGAL, skilled immigrants, who share our language and culture, and integrate and assimilate.

 

[2010mini]

Obviously the criminals go first (non DACA) and the DACAs go last. Some of them do have criminal records though. So they would be the first of them to go. For those 18 and over you have to wonder if/why they didn’t apply for citizenship. If they didn’t even try or are getting food stamps then they get deported. They can apply like everyone else. Perhaps some can get visas (college kids) but they would need to pay some restitution such as any free money they received before getting the visas. Under 18 they can be deported with the parents as it’s the parents who put them in this predicament in the first place. It’s not America’s fault or problem.

I was brought here as a minor. And it was because of amnesty signed by President Reagan why I was able to get my citizenship. Unfortunately when these kids turn legal adults, they cannot just apply for citizenship without some act of Congress. Like me, they are in a sort of limbo. Where the US knows they are here, they aren’t illegal, but they sort of are...... weird place to be. It took until I was 25 (came when I was 11) for me to get started on the parth to residency. And then on to being a citizen.

And back then I was never granted the ok to work. I was only able to go to school, but could not get any financial aid.

I wish Congress would just get off their asses and reform our immigration policy. It is woefully backlogged and cumbersome to Navigate.

 

[Naaaaak]

You have no idea whatsoever about what DACA is.

I don't think you understand how it works.

A study by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s open borders organization revealed that if an Obama-created amnesty program for young illegal aliens is ended, it would open nearly 700,000 American jobs.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/31/zuckerberg-group-700k-american-job-openings-daca-ends/

DACA ends, nearly 700,000 jobs open up for legal citizens. Employers would actually have to compete for workers instead of relying on non-citizen labor to suppress wages. Ending DACA = opportunities for legal citizens with better worker wages.

 

[2010mini]

There's no reason to compromise. The left created this mess by allowing anyone to come over and pretend that the act of crossing our border entitled anyone to full citizen rights and benefits. They did it to acquire votes, knowing full-well they were going to hook illegal immigrants along with handouts, welfare, freebies, translators, work programs, future promises of citizenship, etc. to make them permanently vote Democrat. The Democrats consistently oppose Voter ID laws and voter fraud verifications because both are things that deny them votes from the illegal immigrant demographic they've been tending to for so long. "Compromising" with Democrats now to make illegal immigrants magically legal gives them a permanent win without any future legal recourse to counter it -- they'll gain a permanent voting bloc for not following the rule of law and screwing everyone in the first place!

When the left is in control, they run roughshod over everyone and do whatever they want. See: Obamacare. See: This "resist" crap. Only when they are losing do they speak of "compromise". The left only gets away with it because the Republican leadership is weak, capitulating, inept, and anti-conservative.

We can fund a border wall, eliminate future amnesty, eliminate of birth right citizenship for children of illegal aliens, and end anchor baby crap without such compromise. It won't be instant -- we need to primary any Republican voting against conservative interests and clean up the party so the majorities in power actually mean something. The current Paul Ryan / Mitch McConnel / RINO-led globalist idiocy that does nothing or whatever the Democrats want must go.
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What happened to the American "Dreamers"? Why do legal citizen interests take a back seat to illegal immigrant interests? We certainly have 780,000 legal citizens we could take off the unemployment rolls. Why are we prioritizing illegal immigrants over citizens and compounding mistakes by keeping them here?



We are a nation made stronger by LEGAL, skilled immigrants, who share our language and culture, and integrate and assimilate.

Illegal immigrates don’t vote. Trust me, I was one and you wouldn’t find me anywhere near a place where I Would run the risk of getting arrested.

GOP and Dems both are responsible for our illegal immigration problems. The issue is our antiquated and grossly underfunded immigration policy.

Voter fraud laws are about making it as hard as possible for citizens to vote. Not about illegals voting. People who oppose Voter ID proposals do so for the ridiculous ID rules they try to put into it.

Putting a wall on our entire border is physically impossible. We don’t even have enough steel in the US for such an undertaking let alone the funds. It would mean taking land away from citizens. Which let me tell you would result in some serious legal battles. Go see the compromises we had to make with some land owners who we currently have taken lands from.....we actually put up gates in the wall so they can go back and forth freely.... A GATE..... So that basically renders said wall null and void.

BTW illegals have been leaving the US steadily for the last decade.

And for all the talk of walls.... nothing addresss the issue that a lot... a whole lot of illegals come here by planes.

 

[akadafni]

Has she done anything to change her immigration status? DACA was never meant to be a permanent status. I would hope she has.

There should be a path to citizenship for those under DACA. They really only know American culture and values. They were bought here by their parents. They didn't have a choice. For those seeking to come to the US the first thing I recommend is that you try to make change in your country of origin. Running to the US should be a last resort, not the first choice.