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Not irrelevant when the person I was responding to was complaining about how many people talk about how/why they dislike Trump. It's because more people hate trump in this country than love him. Have another statement to make that I can shoot down like this one?
I think the people who hate him are just louder and want to make everyone else feel the same way. A ton of Trump voters keep their mouths shut beucause saying you support Trump immediately gets you demonized and called racist by angry liberals. It’s just not worth the argument for many people.
 
Yes, I’d rather have an adult as commander in chief, even an adult with overly aggressive military positions, than an amoral clueless dolt like we have now.
Well there it is in black and white. "overly aggressive military positions" means war. You know, death and destruction of human beings. But hey, it's probably a bunch of brown people who live far away from you.
 
I think the people who hate him are just louder and want to make everyone else feel the same way. A ton of Trump voters keep their mouths shut beucause saying you support Trump immediately gets you demonized and called racist by angry liberals. It’s just not worth the argument for many people.

Perhaps. Then again, maybe supporting a racist and admitted sexual assaulter makes you, well... a heaping pile of garbage of a person.
 
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Well there it is in black and white. "overly aggressive military positions" means war. You know, death and destruction of human beings. But hey, it's probably a bunch of brown people who live far away from you.

Well, that’s needlessly insulting. I would have trusted people like Hillary and McCain to listen to their military leaders and advisors and not lead us into war. No matter how bellicose you may think they are (and neither was ever my first choice), they are rational adults. I do not, in the least, trust Trump to do the right thing.
 
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Perhaps. Then again, maybe supporting a racist and admitted sexual assaulter makes you, well... a heaping pile of garbage of a person.

See, some of us can recognize that even nasty people can accomplish good things. Trump is a scumbag conman as far as I’m concerned but he has also done things I’m supportive of. Unwavering supporting or hating and trashing someone no matter what they do is stupid and unproductive. Call him on his bad moves and recognize him when he does something good for the country. That’s what a mature person should do.
 
See, some of us can recognize that even nasty people can accomplish good things. Trump is a scumbag conman as far as I’m concerned but he has also done things I’m supportive of. Unwavering supporting or hating and trashing someone no matter what they do is stupid and unproductive. Call him on his bad moves and recognize him when he does something good for the country. That’s what a mature person should do.

I’ll be sure to do so when he does something good.
 
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I’ll be sure to do so when he does something good.
See there you go, the fact that you cant admit he has accomplished anything good proves you don’t care about anything other than your “team” and Trump will always be bad in your mind no matter what. That’s pathetic.
 
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See there you go, the fact that you cant admit he has accomplished anything good proves you don’t care about anything other than your “team” and Trump will always be bad in your mind no matter what. That’s pathetic.

Great use of using examples to further your discussion.
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Like clean all the human feces in the streets of San Francisco and San Diego? I'll tell you what, I was in San Diego last October and it reeked of urine and feces.

What are you even talking about?
 
Great use of using examples to further your discussion.

Economy doing better than Obama's economists said was possible

North Korea willing to de-nuclarize and their leader wanting to meet with the president of the United States for the first time in over 60 years....

Millions of Americans keeping hundreds - thousands of dollars per year in tax relief...

Unemployment at record lows...

Stock market at record highs...

You don't have to like him to recognize these things are good things and he deserves some credit (or in the case of North Korea a lot of the credit) for it. We get it, you hate trump. You probably hate every single republican regardless of their stance on anything. Just admit you are so biased you would rather see the country fall apart than do well under Trumps tenure.
 
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Economy doing better than Obama's economists said was possible

North Korea willing to de-nuclarize and their leader wanting to meet with the president of the United States for the first time in over 60 years....

Millions of Americans keeping hundreds - thousands of dollars per year in tax relief...

Unemployment at record lows...

Stock market at record highs...

You don't have to like him to recognize these things are good things and he deserves some credit (or in the case of North Korea a lot of the credit) for it. We get it, you hate trump. You probably hate every single republican regardless of their stance on anything. Just admit you are so biased you would rather see the country fall apart than do well under Trumps tenure.

The current situation with North Korea agreeing to talk with South Korea has nothing to do with Trump, and also, Kim Jung Un wanting to meet with Trump isn't an "accomplishment" of Trump.

"Millions" of Americans? No... Trump's tax breaks only benefit the richest among us by lowering business taxes, raising standard deductions, allows businesses to deduct the cost of depreciating assets in one year instead of amortizing them over several years, among many other things.

Unemployment is a result of Obama's policies over 8 years... Trump didn't pull that off in less than a year.

The stock market is extremely volatile because of Trump's asinine and erratic behavior.

But feel free to keep going on and on and on about how you don't really support Trump, but how we all have to acknowledge his accomplishments. We all need to lie to ourselves now and then, eh? *calls a spade a spade*
 
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With a property tax bill above $20K and a new imposed cap at $10K, it’s a huge loss.

Property taxes are imposed by state and local authorities, not the federal government. If you live in a high property tax state, school district, or city, it is they who are imposing your high taxes and should be voted out at that level. The other choice is to move to a state where there are no state taxes and/or a city/school district where taxes are more reasonable. A good friend's daughter just made a corporate move from California to Texas. The move was lateral and at the same pay. She immediately got a 9% raise through the elimination of state tax, another 2% without any city tax, and bought a new 3 bedroom house with approximately half the mortgage/tax/insurance she was paying for a small 1 bedroom apartment in California. It's a choice.
 
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The current situation with North Korea agreeing to talk with South Korea has nothing to do with Trump, and also, Kim Jung Un wanting to meet with Trump isn't an "accomplishment" of Trump.

"Millions" of Americans? No... Trump's tax breaks only benefit the richest among us by lowering business taxes, raising standard deductions, allows businesses to deduct the cost of depreciating assets in one year instead of amortizing them over several years, among many other things.

Unemployment is a result of Obama's policies over 8 years... Trump didn't pull that off in less than a year.

The stock market is extremely volatile because of Trump's asinine and erratic behavior.

But feel free to keep going on and on and on about how you don't really support Trump, but how we all have to acknowledge his accomplishments. We all need to lie to ourselves now and then, eh? *calls a spade a spade*

Life in California really must be different from the rest of the country if you really believe all of what you just said. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on just about all of this.
 
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So a far right response to try to balance out a left leaning comment. You should maybe cut back on Fox News and maybe go outside into the real world where Americans 'slaughter' more of each other than any terrorist.

Boston Marathon Bombing: 144 injured, 3 killed including an 8 year old, and 9 had amputations.
9/11 World Trade Center Bombing: approximately 3,000 killed, 6,000 wounded
.....need I go further?

Start adding up the number of Americans killed by other Americans and tell me when you get to 3,144.
......and yes, you can include the innocent Americans killed by Bill Clinton and Janet Reno at Ruby Ridge in Waco, TX.
 
So..your proof is anything you find on the internet?

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Come on, get on your helmet and get in the game. You embarrass yourself when you say things like "there is no evidence that black and hispanic unemployment have reached historic lows." The Internet will link you to countless evidence, such as the Department of Labor. You may be in denial because your hatred for DT is so great you can't accept anything positive that he accomplishes.

I guess if someone commented that it's a fantastic thing that the two Koreas met and agreed to end their 70 plus years war your world view would be so shattered that you'd deny that as well. Sad.
 
Life in California really must be different from the rest of the country if you really believe all of what you just said. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on just about all of this.

The bottom line is that the economy, unemployment and the stock market are all basically continuing trends that started 8 years ago under Obama. The best Trump can claim is that he has yet to completely destroy the economic momentum that was driving things when he took office (although the tax bill may be the first major initiative to slow things down; the DJIA is down 400 points in the five months since Trump signed the bill). Calling these things major Trump achievements is simply not credible.
 
Life in California really must be different from the rest of the country if you really believe all of what you just said. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on just about all of this.

It IS very different, and it’s wonderful. Come check it out sometime. I’ll give you a tour around San Francisco anytime you want :)
 
As a teacher I find it horrible that you cant read. Please see the part where i say FULL BENEFITS. And yeah so wrong of information that every news outlet points to the majority of the tax relief going to the wealthy. And yeah, I am a student. a graduate student who has had a job for years. Nice try, looks like your the ignorant one. As I said, show the pay stubs to show us the supposed $300 dollars a month you are getting extra.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/01/pf/taxes/paychecks-new-tax-law/index.html

as a teacher I doubt you are making 160,000 dollars. So I doubt you are getting $300 extra a month.

1. "every news outlet......" The news story the writer referenced did not say that nor do most others.
2. "....looks like your the ignorant one" Before calling someone ignorant, I think I would make sure that you know the difference between your and you're, at least in the same sentence;)
3. I don't think anyone should share their pay stubs to prove validity on a rumors forum. The teacher has no reason to lie, nor do you have the right to question their personal information.
4. The additional amount you are keeping, not "getting", of your own money is highly dependent on your personal circumstances. The number of dependents will determine withholding rates. With only two of us, we are keeping $160 more each monthly paycheck.
5. That is "FULL BENEFITS" and it will not get any greater for any given month. The additional full 2018 dollar amount kept will not be accrued until 2018 is over.
6. The "wealthy", or people who earn over $250,000 per year, pay most of the taxes. Therefore it stands to reason that they will be keeping more of their own dollars than those of us who earn much less and who pay less. The tax code is based on percentages.
 
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Liberals, like Hitler, love big govt, power over the people. Thats why they support legalizing drugs dumbing down the people, keeping minorities in poverty, high taxes, abortion, and taking our right to bear arms. Sound familiar? Learn your history ;)

You need to learn what liberals really stand for and not accept the garbage that the right is spewing about liberal beliefs.

Everything you listed is just fiction you created to fit your narrative.

Liberals don't want anything that you listed....Not one.

By the way....try all you want but YOUR boy Hitler will away be looked at as a conservative in the annuls of history.
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See, some of us can recognize that even nasty people can accomplish good things. Trump is a scumbag conman as far as I’m concerned but he has also done things I’m supportive of. Unwavering supporting or hating and trashing someone no matter what they do is stupid and unproductive. Call him on his bad moves and recognize him when he does something good for the country. That’s what a mature person should do.

Right back at cha'...do you acknowledge anything that Trump is doing wrong for the country?

I haven't seen that at all in your posts.
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So..your proof is anything you find on the internet?

Cool..that explains alot.

Come on, get on your helmet and get in the game. You embarrass yourself when you say things like "there is no evidence that black and hispanic unemployment have reached historic lows." The Internet will link you to countless evidence, such as the Department of Labor. You may be in denial because your hatred for DT is so great you can't accept anything positive that he accomplishes.

I guess if someone commented that it's a fantastic thing that the two Koreas met and agreed to end their 70 plus years war your world view would be so shattered that you'd deny that as well. Sad.
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If your talking about unemployment trends for blacks and hispanics, then you also have to admit there is nothing that the Trump administration has done to take credit for that trend.
This is just a continuing trend that started under Obama.
 
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Right back at cha'...do you acknowledge anything that Trump is doing wrong for the country?

I haven't seen that at all in your posts.

I don’t think Trump was fast enough and caring enough in his response/ relief for Puerto Rico. They are Americans and their island was devistated. Trump (and the major corporations of America) should be bending over backwards to do everything possible to support those people and rebuild their infrastructure as fast as possible no matter the cost (and I’m a fiscal conservative). I also don’t support the way Trump constantly rants on twitter. Maybe he thinks it’s his way to his base but it’s embarrassing and he should just stop. I also think he should fire Ajit Pai and Scott Pruit. Both of them are doing harm to American citizens and people are too oblivious and ignorant to understand what’s happening to those agencies. Steve Bannon was a horrible person and I couldn’t believe trump wanted anything to do with him. Glad he fired him but he never should have hired him.

I could go on but I am not willing to endlessly bash Trump while ignoring or discrediting his successes which I believe have been significant, especially considering how he has a media/entertainment industry out to destroy him at every turn. I don’t care what anyone says, everyone I know in my region and income bracket (lower middle class) have benefitted from the tax cuts. It has not been only for the ultra rich as many keep claiming. The president of South Korea just said Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his contributions to the recent peace talks and end to the Korean War. Think about that. Donald Trump is poised to be the president who ended the Korean War. I don’t think people appreciate his role in this situation. I also don’t buy the “the economy is doing well because of what obama did”. That is nonsense. Obama’s top economists said that GDP above 2% wasn’t possible anymore. A year into Trump and we have it, what was supposed to be impossible. I credit Trump for our current strong economy and low unemployment far more than Obama.

So no, I am not just some Trump enthusiast. I didn’t even vote for the man. However I’m honest and I can’t honestly ignore what are clearly successful moves by Trump that directly benefit the American people.
 
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I'm kind of surprised he chose to attend to be honest. But hey a free meals a free meal.

Here's Tim with president Xi of China

https://mspoweruser.com/chinese-pre...nd-others-visited-microsoft-campus-yesterday/

Here he is with European Commission vice president and commissioner for the Digital Single Market, Andrus Ansip , which Apple has accused of unfair treatment in a high-profile $13.7 billion tax case

http://fortune.com/2017/02/21/apple-eu-tax-case/

Here he is with president of Turkey, Erdogan

https://cdn.idevice.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Tim-Cook-Erdogan-Apple-506x300.jpg

Tim Cook and the world’s youngest Nobel Peace Prizer winner Malala Yousafzai

http://blogbaladi.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tim-Cook-750x420.jpg

Tim Cook and John Podesta of Democratic Party attend a fundraiser in California.

https://www.businessinsider.in/phot...red-Apple-CEO-Tim-Cook-for-vice-president.jpg


...I reckon, people in power/money should meet with people in power/money .... even if they don't like each other very much, and regardless of political affiliation.
 
You need to learn what liberals really stand for and not accept the garbage that the right is spewing about liberal beliefs.

Everything you listed is just fiction you created to fit your narrative.

Liberals don't want anything that you listed....Not one.

By the way....try all you want but YOUR boy Hitler will away be looked at as a conservative in the annuls of history.
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Oh I know what liberals really want and who they really are. Again just look at all the dictators in the world and that should say something.
 
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