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There are several recent decisions Apple have made on products I would be critical of, (and I have my reservations about Tim Cook), but I have to admit his initial comments about the iPhone 7 sales are probably an accurate and honest response.

Apple and Tim Cook have won my sympathy on this one because the iPhone 7 Plus is a truly remarkable device, in my opinion.
 
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And here I am still on my iPhone 5s. It’s seriously low on RAM and I wish its display were a little better (not to mention its cellphone radio), but other than that it’s still the bomb. Can’t wait for the iPhone X (or even the next generation SE).
 
I guess the iphone 7 was a stop gap iphone.
They wanted to release a new design, but the tech was not ready yet.
So the upcoming model, has had a lot of R&D time.
The biggest mistake apple made was that they were one year late on implementing en ordering oled tech. The stayed with /relied on ips lcd another year and now it backfires.

Hoping apple won' t make the mistake of just releasing an iphone 7s/plus, with some updated internals and release the iphone 8/x in 2018.

My take on the next iphone is:
-release a regular/new design iphone 8 /plus with a glass back and alu frame, 4.7 and 5.5 inch ips lcd truetone 16:9 displays, improved internals, inductive charging, smaller bezels/chins, but with classic touchid on the lower chin.
-release a 5.8 inch iphone 8 edition with stainless steel, saphire back and 19:9 full screen e2e oled, in-screen touchid, etc.

April 2018: release a 6.3 inch iphone 8+ edition

But please, no boring 7s with the same design for the last 4 years and a jet white color. Give us a newer design with less bezel for the " regular" next iphone, not just for the edition.
 
Can't blame him for not telling the truth that he's been milking the same design for three years and overcharging for low old tech.

The reality is it wasn't possible to produce the latest phone last year. Even this year supplies are going to be very limited. Which is the next thing you will get all snarky and self righteous about. The crying is going to be immense when people wail like little babies waiting for a bottle of milk refreshing their tracking ETA incessantly.

Threads the length of which the internet has never seen will be dedicated to people hoping their phone comes tomorrow.
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Wellllll this is kind of obvious. And might be a good reason to move manufacturing of the phone to the US where they have better control over the supply chain.

Good point that way we would get more frequent releases like the Macpro.
 
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I sell cell phones and I see a lot of iPhone 7's selling. But the number one of thing I hate is customers saying I don't want ttje iPhone 7 because the 8 is about to come out. I mean it's fine if you want to wait but come on we don't know anything about the new phone.
 
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Even under Jobs iPhones were never magical ecc. Presentations are and were a show that´s it. Don´t get me wrong, I liked my iPhone 5 and I still like my iPhone 6, iPad 4 and Apple Watch Series 0.
 
How did you come to this conclusion? The biggest competitor to Apple in terms of share volume on premium devices which is Samsung sold the same amount of their top of the line phones in one year, as Apple did in a single quarter.

And yet you argument like nobody is buying iPhone's? They are selling huge amounts of iPhone's.. If you believe Apple is not selling phones, the nobody does.
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They sold over 50 million phones in a single quarter. Samsung sold 7.2 million of their top of the line phones in the same quarter. And here you argue that "people don't want" the phone? Like seriously? Did you even read the numbers?

I think you are incorrect on the comparison. Samsung sold ~55mil of S7 which translate on avg to 14mil per quarter. The 7.2mil was the tail end. But apple figures were from when I7 was still fresh. Also you are forgetting samsung has the other Note flagship which also sold in the region of S7. Put them together, that's maybe 28mil per quarter on average. And samsung other top volume seller is the mid-range A-series which pricing is in the region of Iphone SE/prev generation (that contributed a significant proportion of total Apple sales).

Even after losing one flagship Note 7, Samsung volume growth/decline is similar to Apple for same period. A decline in volume given market overall growth was 4% is not really a good thing. Even with Samsung trouble, Apple cannot capitalize on that and let all the extra volume gobbled up by Chinese brands. This shows iphone is losing its attractiveness. I bet if Samsung didnt have the Note 7 issue, Apple figures would be worse.

We just have to see next 2 quarters when the S8 sales are in full swing to see how Iphone sales will be negatively impacted. If iphone 8 is mediocre then the Note 8 (+ other flagships from China brands) may give a huge blow to Apple for late this year/early next year.
 
On the flipside, my teen daughter's friends are all avoiding the latest models without headphone jacks. Eventually they'll have no choice, of course.

If Apple remove the headphone jack from all models, the choice is something other than iPhone. The data suggests this decision has cost significant sales of the iPhone 7 (maybe as high as 33%). The growth has all been in the 7 Plus, where the lack of headphone socket is presumably less of an issue (not used as a pocket device?). In previous models, the smaller devices have outsold the larger ones by 2:1. For this model, the ratio is 1:1. This also suggests that the design similarities to the iPhone 6 and rumours of new models are not the underlying reasons for the sales decline, since these apply to both sizes. One interpretation of the data is:

Base sales of iPhone 7/+ to existing users are down by 33%; Samsung Note switchers have made up the numbers.

If this is right, without the switchers, Apple would have been sitting on a large decline in sales.
 
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Lets play a game shall we. Which iPhone is this:

I can't tell from the photo whether it has a headphone jack, so I don't know :)

...the fact that was the most notable and newsworthy thing about the iPhone 7 says it all, really.

Certainly not going to tempt me back from Android when the Galaxy S8 has a headphone jack and a microSD card slot for memory expansion - and looks better & different c.f. my 4/5 year-old Note II (Samsung stopped copying some time ago - its about time Apple stopped copying Apple). I prefer iOS to Android (I also have an iPad) but there's a limit to how far that stretches when the hardware is better.

If iPhone sales are flat/falling now just imagine what they would be like if the Note 7 debacle hadn't happened and Apple hadn't enjoyed six months with their main competitor in disarray.
 
Samsung and apple aren' t the competitors everyone wants us to believe. Apple' s and samsung main competitors are the smaller and cheaper companies in china. A fallback of sales of the iphones since the iphone 6 is mainly because of the decline in the chinese market. Even samsungs sales have slipped over there.
The note 7? In sales figures isn' t in the same ballpark as the s7, it is about half or 1 third of the s7. And all potential note 7 buyers bought an iphone 7 plus? I don' t think so, a lot of them bought a .... s7 or a huaweij, oppo, xiaomi, etc.
There are customers that want an ios device, nothing else, same can be said about android users, they really don' t want apple, etc.
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I expect Apple to eventually have just 3% of the smartphone market. The ecosystem is getting bogged down with too many apps and not enough groundbreaking content. Anyone who has ever broken their Apple phone knows that is declines rapidly over time. Why not get painless LG's as needed and always be at 100%?
 
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I think you are incorrect on the comparison. Samsung sold ~55mil of S7 which translate on avg to 14mil per quarter. The 7.2mil was the tail end. But apple figures were from when I7 was still fresh. Also you are forgetting samsung has the other Note flagship which also sold in the region of S7. Put them together, that's maybe 28mil per quarter on average. And samsung other top volume seller is the mid-range A-series which pricing is in the region of Iphone SE/prev generation (that contributed a significant proportion of total Apple sales).

Even after losing one flagship Note 7, Samsung volume growth/decline is similar to Apple for same period. A decline in volume given market overall growth was 4% is not really a good thing. Even with Samsung trouble, Apple cannot capitalize on that and let all the extra volume gobbled up by Chinese brands. This shows iphone is losing its attractiveness. I bet if Samsung didnt have the Note 7 issue, Apple figures would be worse.

We just have to see next 2 quarters when the S8 sales are in full swing to see how Iphone sales will be negatively impacted. If iphone 8 is mediocre then the Note 8 (+ other flagships from China brands) may give a huge blow to Apple for late this year/early next year.


The problem with this logic is that you are setting up Apple to fail regardless. Apple is by far the most successful company in the smartphone business, there is no discussion. And even in mature market where sales, especially in the high-price market has started to stagnate Apple is still selling a butload of phones. More than any other, and yet people act like this is bad thing? And this is even with phones that are not drastically different from the ones they've been selling for the past 3,5 years.

If we are only going by the metric that Apple needs to keep growth year over year they are doomed to fail in the long run. They operating in a high priced market, they are already selling phones in numbers that is so large that it's ridiculous to begin with to expect and demand continuous growth is just foolish at this point.


And what numbers to we have to back up the fact that the failure that was Galaxy Note 7 have been fuelling Apple sales? People who wanted the Galaxy Note 7 most likely has a reason for why the prefer Android to begin with. For them to instantaneously jump ships over to iPhone and iOS just because the Galaxy Note 7 became a failure seems far fetched. It's more likely that the failure of the Galaxy Note 7 is the sole reason why Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge sold more than expected (still far less than iPhone) as Samsung really pushed Galaxy Note customers towards the S7 and S7 Edge. It's much more sensible that potential Galaxy Note 7 customers got themselves the Galaxy S7 or S7 Edge, or waited for the Galaxy S8 and S8+ or even the Galaxy Note 8 instead of going for iPhone.



And by what metrics is the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus considered "fresh" in Q1 2017? The phone was released in Q3 2016, so it's half way through it's life cycle when we are talking about numbers in Q1 2017. And you are really miscalculating if you expect the Galaxy Note to have the same average sale per quarter as the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge. The S-series has always been outselling the Note-series. How often do you see people with Galaxy Notes compared to Galaxy S-series of phones? And why would we take phones like Samsung's A-series into the equation? It's the different market, it's priced way below iPhone's, even the iPhone SE and it catering to a different market segment where Apple doesn't exist.


The thing is, it's stupid to proclaim Apple is failing when they still sell 50+ millions per quarter, of high-priced, high margin phones when even their largest competitor isn't even pushing half of that amount. Of course Apple is seeing negative growth. No tree grows into heaven, and to expect Apple to keep the growth every year when they are selling in the premium, high-price market and is already selling as many phones as they are what did people expect?
 
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These are the times when any other companies run a sale on the current phone to keep the sales going...... The'll crush it with the new phone as long as it has the rumored features, but they are getting chipped away..
 
If Apple remove the headphone jack from all models, the choice is something other than iPhone. The data suggests this decision has cost significant sales of the iPhone 7 (maybe as high as 33%). The growth has all been in the 7 Plus, where the lack of headphone socket is presumably less of an issue (not used as a pocket device?). In previous models, the smaller devices have outsold the larger ones by 2:1. For this model, the ratio is 1:1. This also suggests that the design similarities to the iPhone 6 and rumours of new models are not the underlying reasons for the sales decline, since these apply to both sizes. One interpretation of the data is:

Base sales of iPhone 7/+ to existing users are down by 33%; Samsung Note switchers have made up the numbers.

If this is right, without the switchers, Apple would have been sitting on a large decline in sales.


Might it have something to do with the fact that the overall market seems to trend towards larger phones? Might it just be that iPhone users are also human begins so the market trends are also affect Apple? The fact that larger phones sells 1:1 with the smaller model shouldn't come as a surprise in 2017 as more and more people go for larger phones. In my office there are now more people with "phablets" than there are users with smaller phones, go back two years and it would be the other way around. This has nothing to do with the headphone jack.
 
The'll crush it with the new phone
Apple was the benefactor of Samsung's missteps with its horrific battery problem, now that Samsung has moved on and has created a great S8 phone, I'm not so sure. Apple has saturated the market, and the phones are so expensive its hard to justify buying new phones annually.

While I do think the iPhone 8 will be a winner, I'm not sure it will turn things around, and if apple doesn't include features that have long been in android phones, then all bets are off.
 
Screw 7, Apple has its work cut out to get me, and others like me, who are not impressed by shiny details but rather functionality, to get us to upgrade from the 6S (Plus) to the 8 when it comes out?

Edge to edge screen? Great, but how does it change my experience? It doesn't, and it introduced ergonomic difficulties (TID, palm rejection etc). Glass back - another phone I have to put in a case (which I absolutely hate)?

Personally, give me a 4.7" - 5" form factor with a 1080 screen and a battery of a current Plus or better, and I'd be happiest. I don't give a damn about OLED edge to edge screens, won't make my experience any batter.
 
The dip in sales couldn't have been because the iPhone 7 looks virtually identical to the one that came out last year AND the year before. And it certainly wasn't because the only distinguishing aspect is the loss of a headphone jack.

It's got to be because of the iphone 8 rumors. :eek:

And it couldn't be because the Galaxy S7 was excellent, the Google Pixel is excellent, and the Galaxy S8 is most excellent. And it couldn't be because much cheaper and very good Android phones are available. Nope the pause is due to how great the iPhone 8 is rumored to be. Got it.
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Samsung get Android for free, Apple has to finance iOS.

True. But Apple makes more from sales of Apps for iOS than it spends on coding for iOS at this point. Apple's hardware, I think, is constrained mainly by the volume that it has to produce of the current design. Samsung will sell only a fraction of the S8 that Apple will sell of the 7.
 
I wonder what kind of dirt you guys will throw at Apple after they release their redesigned "iPhone 8" this year, and it sells in insane record numbers.

Tim's acknowledgement of the enticing rumors, while not trying to temper expectations, is evidence that there is substance to them.
I've not seen any enticing rumours yet
 
The Galaxy S8 is not going to be Apple's competition, that will be the Note 8 when it launches later this year.

And is it really that much of a shock to you that Apple is "Late to the game" with technology that's already available? Anyone that follows Apple knows they are never the first to release anything, but it's not about releasing or being the first to the market with new technology, I would much rather have a product that's refined and reliable versus being "Late." Being first on the market for technology doesn't have any significant relevance.

Sorry but this is flatly wrong. As a person who has worked in R&D at Apple's competitors during the time the iPhone was originally being developed. I can tell you that NOTHING anyone had in their 5 year plans had anything even remotely close to the physical and OS design of the original iPhone.

They were first to market and it's taken everyone else nearly a decade to catch up with them. That's a serious blow to an industry for being first.

iTunes. They were first to offer a truly comprehensive music library to users of the Mac (and then PC). While they had others playing in the market, their unique licensing deals put them WAY ahead of the curve. And they basically decimated the market for portable music players.

Being first counts for a lot. But more importantly being first with something truly significant. Steve Jobs had an intuition about these things and he really could make magic happen if he was given the latitude to operate, which the board at Apple did give him, but now that he is gone.... there just doesn't seem to be anyone up to the task to replace him.
 
Time will prove you wrong. There's a reason big money is jumping into Appls

Big money is jumping into Apple for their cash reserve and no other reason. The markets see Apple as a cash cow now, not an innovator.

They will squeeze every penny of profit they can out of their customer base and run their reputation into the ground as a result.
 
For me, this last year I planned to upgrade my phone, my iPad, and my Macbook Pro, and instead I'm in a holding pattern.

The MacBook Pro's specs were hardly better than my ~5 year old MacBook and I rely on my SD card reader. That said, I was actually excited about and tempted by the choice to go all in with USB-C. And to me, they were pretty clearly a USB-C ("one cord to rule them all") future.

In fact, I was ready to upgrade my iPhone in December/January, but after the MacBook Pro releases felt I could and should wait a year so I wasn't stuck with a legacy lightning connector as I anticipate all my other purchases in the next 2-3 years would charge via USB-C. If they stick with Lightning as they did with the iPad Pro for this year's phone, I honestly don't know what I'll do.

The iPad Pro decision to stick with lightning rather than USB-C was the main reason I didn't upgrade from my iPad Air, and, together with the Macbook Pro, it really made me question what Apple's plans were, or whether they have a cohesive plan. Disappointed, I bought an Android 10" USB-C, which is fine. It's not like my old iPad stopped working, and I'm hopeful enough (and the Android was inexpensive enough) to keep an eye on what the next generation iPad Pro holds.
 
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