Apple should look into glasses-less 3D monitors that are becoming better and better. Once AVP fails then can always say that they've used AVP technology in their brand new revolutionary 3D monitor product.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Compares Vision Pro 'Moment' to iPhone and Mac
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You know I dont belong to any other forum that had this level of vitriol directed at the point of the forum....I suppose after all the years here and seeing the same stuff for the iPhone, iPad and watch I shouldn't be surprised but its just ...strange...
AVP is bringing out strong opinions on all sides
I personally love it - Forums are at their best with strong opinions.
You seem to be very knowledgeable about what is going to happen in this product space. That must be why you are the CEO of a multi trillion dollar technology company. Oh, wait…
Yet the iPhone 15 Pro Max starts at $1749 Canadian. I guess Apple needs to get people to lock into an AVP contract so they will somehow think it is cheap.
True. Now repeat your calculations with the iPod.
Edit: Actually, I shouldn’t really say true, I guess, because that really only compares Meta, and most non-standalone headsets cost much more, but the Quest 3 is the obvious comparison, so I would tend to agree.
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I’m just hoping they add 3d out to the AppleTV for those of us that still have 3d televisions. Seems an easy addition that would get them a few upgrades, since we tend to purchase if you just give us a chance to do so. (Yeah, I’m still bitter about the last Spider-Man 3D being region locked.)
The Sony Walkman NW-MS9 launched at $330 in 2000. The iPod was $399. So a little more expensive, certainly not a lot. In the past Apple has generally come in around the premium end of whatever market they’re entering. The AVP is the only time I can recall where they’ve exceeded the premium end of the market several times over with their pricing.
I agree and I think the AVP is priced too high now for mass adoption. However, to be fair, Apple has an idea of how many they can produce this year and they may have targeted the price higher due to a limited supply. As was mentioned above, it costs around $300 a month for a year and that is a sacrifice they know a decent sized subset of their customers can afford and would still buy this to get the “ new Apple thing”.
I think they will eventually come out with a version that costs less that will fit the needs for more people… hopefully lighter and less cumbersome. It will be interesting to see where they go with this product in the next few years. I have to think they are paying attention to the complaints about cost and weight. Maybe a non-pro version that reduces weight and price by getting rid of some of the features ( seeing the eyes) that may be nice to have, but aren‘t really needed.
I personally think they need a way to bring in a signal for other devices. If you play games on a console, for example, you can’t use the AVP as a display...unlike the Xreal glasses. I guess they may never add it… one of my issues with iMac is the lack of inputs for other devices, but these will be the best display in most homes, but currently locked into only being used with Apple products.
I dunno, calling Vision Pro an iPhone moment is kind of an overstatement. Maybe comparable to Apple Watch or iPad launches, sure, but not the iPhone. I can still replay moments from memory in my head from the 2007 iPhone keynote; that's a special moment.
Some of those posts from 2007 are hilarious. Like the "OSX in your pocket." Um, not quite.
There was this post from June 2007, my favorite:
I know people will be looking back at these threads years on and laughing if the iphone is a success and everyone here said it would flop, or vice versa, so let me establish right now, and you may quote me.
iPhone will be a success.
Tears in their eyes. dear me. Cook is super desperate for this to be his iPhone.
Their eyes were probably just irritated
What do you consider the premium end? The Quest 3? I like the Quest, but the only good thing about Facebook buying Oculus is that FB don’t have to make money on hardware. As far as premium end, I’m stuck with Canadian pricing, which is worse for things like VR headsets which aren’t mainstream, but if I look at Amazon for US pricing, the Pimax appears to be $1800 and the Vive $1400 and you need a decent PC on top of that. I’m not arguing against the Quest, as I own it, but it is an incredible value because of Facebook, but it has to be an incredible value… because of Facebook.
Edit: This is an analyst’s estimate, so take that as you will, but they estimate the displays alone in the AVP cost Apple $700:
Meta Quest 3 & Apple Vision Pro Production Costs Estimated
A supply chain analysis firm estimated the costs of each component in Meta Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro.
www.uploadvr.com
Some of this hardware makes this an Apple to Orange comparisons (at least if you buy the optional orange facial interface.)
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Apple famously raised their iPhone prices after years of massive success and integration into people’s lives. Plus, yeah, a lot of people get these expensive phones basically “free” with a contract.
Maybe a contract would help the Vision Pro. But the thing is, that’s not a thing. People already had phone contracts when the iPhone came out. People don’t have AR goggles commonly integrated in their lives because most people don’t need or want one
ActiveSync! I've been on smartphones since the late 1990s. First PDAs like the HP Jornada, then connected PDAs like Palm Pilot VII, then Treos, then Pocket PC's like the i-mate Pocket PC and models from HTC. That's back in the day, when Handango and other app stores used to be a thing
I agree. I just find the hand wringing about Apple’s pricing of it to be disingenuous. Hell yeah, it is more than I want to pay (I fully expect $5000 when it hits Canada), but I’m at a loss as to how people expect assembly of expensive parts into a tiny space to cost less than the sum of the parts (I would love to know the reject rate on the assembly line). It is quite possible it will fail spectacularly, but I’d rather they tried to make a profit on each unit, than sell it at a loss and subsidize it with IAP. Actually, if I try to be self-aware, I’d rather they give only me a free one, but that is pretty standard human nature, I think. 😀
This could very well be a swing and a miss, but I’d rather Apple keep swinging, as they have outlasted most of the tech companies I have liked over the years, and I doubt they will go on forever if they just play it safe and try to milk their profits on existing tech.
Well, there is the saying - the opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
Great, now you’ve got me wanting to go see if my Dell Axim battery still holds a charge! At least I can throw some AAs in my Cassiopeia and it should work. Mmmm… grey-scale Windows!ActiveSync! I've been on smartphones since the late 1990s. First PDAs like the HP Jornada, then connected PDAs like Palm Pilot VII, then Treos, then Pocket PC's like the i-mate Pocket PC and models from HTC. That's back in the day, when Handango and other app stores used to be a thing
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The Quest Pro is what I would consider the premium end of the market.What do you consider the premium end? The Quest 3? I like the Quest, but the only good thing about Facebook buying Oculus is that FB don’t have to make money on hardware. As far as premium end, I’m stuck with Canadian pricing, which is worse for things like VR headsets which aren’t mainstream, but if I look at Amazon for US pricing, the Pimax appears to be $1800 and the Vive $1400 and you need a decent PC on top of that. I’m not arguing against the Quest, as I own it, but it is an incredible value because of Facebook, but it has to be an incredible value… because of Facebook.
Edit: This is an analyst’s estimate, so take that as you will, but they estimate the displays alone in the AVP cost Apple $700:
Meta Quest 3 & Apple Vision Pro Production Costs Estimated
A supply chain analysis firm estimated the costs of each component in Meta Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro.
Some of this hardware makes this an Apple to Orange comparisons (at least if you buy the optional orange facial interface.)
I rocked a Pocket PC for a long time, I had models with the sliding keyboard too. I didn't jump to iPhone until they allowed third party apps on the Apple App Store in 2008.
I don't understand the "replacement" argument anyway. Surely Apple wants you to own as many of their products as possible, so why would they want you to throw out your Mac, iPhone, and iPad and replace them with a single pair of goggles? I guess acting like "spatial computing" is going to replace other types of computing makes it sound like a more compelling product, that you're selling the future or whatever, and all other tech will soon be obsolete, but it doesn't make a lot of sense from an Apple business standpoint. I'm always skeptical of any enthusiastic "this will replace X!" marketing, because it's rarely the case. Some things just can't be superseded anyway. The physical keyboard was invented 100+ years ago and it's still the best way to type. 🤷♂️