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Eh... I'm not sure I agree with this at all. Other than Google's apps I can't think of anything that isn't superior or mostly superior in iOS. The headline apps that every uses are pretty close but once you go outside the popular iOS has, in my experience, so much more and generally higher quality at that.

This is true to some extant because apple does not allow beta testing of apps on app store. Google allows for things such as beta testing, and doesn't have restrictions like apple. But the mainstream apps, games, etc. are all the same today(I wouldn't have said that 2-3 years ago).
 
I just upgraded to 5s 1 year ago. where do I find out what my out of pocket is if I want to switch to 6 plus now?
 
Again, were struggling with a true understating of Market Value.

Anyway, i don't want to hear about bandwidth limitations. iCloud is integral to both the iOS and OS X experience. If you can't/wont take full advantage of it, you can't take full of advantage of the experience you were meant to have with the device.

It is not my experience that data caps are so severe as to impede iCloud usage.

If you tell me your ISP offers a measly few GB per month to you at slow speeds....then don't tell iPhone is the problem.

That's too bad you don't want to hear about data caps, but they're a reality for many Apple users. Data caps don't preclude the use of iCloud, they only prevent one from using it to sync large data files like video and photo stream if one takes a lot of photos. In other words, many rural customers cannot use iCloud to mitigate iPhone storage limitations.

It's a problem with Apple in that they don't offer an easy way to sync over Wi Fi. iTunes is a mess - Finder access to the iOS file system would be easier than using iTunes. An SD card slot would also be a nice workaround.

I do place the blame on the telecoms. But Apple knows of the telecoms, so they should offer solutions to work around them.

BTW, telecoms are happy to provide ultra fast service, in fact it's integral to their data cap rape for the customer to be able to rapidly blow through the cap.
 
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Really? You mean when you double tap the home button on a 6+ it DOESN'T move all the icons to the bottom of the screen for single handed operation like the videos show?

I'm not convinced by that implementation... what if your thumb is having trouble reaching an element at the opposite edge of the screen? Scrunching down the top of the screen image won't help you reach horizontally across all that real estate...

The Samsung/LG "one-handed" feature -- proportionally scaling down the entire screen image -- may look a little goofy and kludgy, but it genuinely allows you to reach everything, both horizontally and vertically.
 
Translation: "I don't qualify nor can I afford an upgrade right now so let me mock the new iPhone to make myself feel better about it."

No, I qualify and can afford the iPhone 6. I also own an iPhone 5. Will not upgrade to 6 b/c of those ridiculous lines and the protruding camera. I won't upgrade to iPhone 6S either b/c S products don't have huge innovation (4S was Siri but that was more of a software innovation that required multiple mics so 4 didn't have it and 5S had TouchID, which, admittedly is hardware but wasn't essential to the iOS experience.) I'll get my 5S & :apple: Watch and be set.
 
Are you referring to their app store cut? That wouldn't hold up for general purchases where credit card companies currently charge 2.5-3%. Even if Apple's cut was 0, it would still help them sell hardware. Apart from that they would still have to pay the credit card company.
Of course the rate will be 0. The guy I was responding to was being obtuse. The likes of VISA, MasterCard, and McDonald's didn't sign up because they wanted Apple to get a cut of their already low-margin business. It doesn't take a lot of thinking to figure that out.
 
So that's how Android people explain it to themselves. It's not that their devices lose half their value when they walk out of the store, it's that iSheep will buy used iPhones for more than retail.

I bought an iphone 5 32gb on release played for it for a week, pretty good for it's time, but battery sucked. Saw note 2, seemed cool, good battery, etc. Sold my mint iphone 5 32gb for $800 on craigs list in cash. Iphone 5 order wait time was 1-2months at this point.
 
OK, this is something I will never forgive Apple.

They just pushed this stupid ****** U2 Album onto all of my devices.

Forcing me to download this crappy music is unacceptable.


What's next? Justin Bieber showing up in my Library, because they struck a deal with the record label?

They didn't force anything. You chose to have all your music pushed to your devices, and you happen to now own the U2 album.
 
you paid for a premium price for an apple device. you'd expect a premium design. You take the beautiful design out of apple and what do you have? An overpriced samsung galaxy. It's the core of apple, steve jobs knew that and that's why he stressed design so much. So yes the lines do matter.

A case is gonna make the lines disappear, the question is really if you want a larger screen or not.
 
I'm leaning towards the 64Gb 5.5". I would have preferred 2Gb of RAM and 32 Gb of memory for the price of 16Gb, but oh well. Have the 5s currently. The bigger screen alone is worth the upgrade.
 
No, I qualify and can afford the iPhone 6. I also own an iPhone 5. Will not upgrade to 6 b/c of those ridiculous lines and the protruding camera. I won't upgrade to iPhone 6S either b/c S products don't have huge innovation (4S was Siri but that was more of a software innovation that required multiple mics so 4 didn't have it and 5S had TouchID, which, admittedly is hardware but wasn't essential to the iOS experience.) I'll get my 5S & :apple: Watch and be set.

You say S products don't offer innovation, yet you go on to list all the innovations in the 4S and 5S.

That's fascinating why you won't upgrade to the 6. Utterly fascinating. Like watching a National Geographic on new deep sea organisms fascinating.
 
I just upgraded to 5s 1 year ago. where do I find out what my out of pocket is if I want to switch to 6 plus now?

There is no upgrade program. What you can do is sell your 5s on ebay, craigslist, etc. and use that money to pay for part of your 6+(you'll probably buy it off-contract since most agreements are 2 years long, so 6+ would start at 750,850,950)
 
Ok this is the part I don't get. As a consumer why are you happy that a company "maintains their margin"? "Maintaining their margin" is a euphemism for "ripping off the consumer." It's deliberately selling a low-value product at a higher price and then artificially jacking up a higher-value product (the 64 GB iphone) because they know that option is more attractive. There's nothing remotely consumer friendly about this, and it's amazing that you're happy about it. Unless you work for Apple and have stock options, you're losing.

A real "shut up and take my money" attitude.

If a company doesn't maintain a profit margin on a product they make no money. If they make no money, they go out of business. Once that happens, no more products to buy...or complain about on Internet forums.

It's also easy to look at the bill of materials on something like an iPhone and scream about Apple carrying some enormous margin--but that doesn't account for the millions of dollars spent on R&D, employee salaries and so many other expenses.

Sure, it's said that the jump to 64GB of storage from 16 would only cost $3. Multiply that by 120 million units sold in 2013. That's $360 million--not even accounting for lost revenue from consumers not upgrading to higher capacities.

$360 million that can't go to paying employees, investing in new technology or experimenting with interesting ideas.

That $3 number is also completely wrong. It doesn't account for the additional costs of manufacturing, packaging and bringing additional SKU's to market.

Additionally, you assert that the 64GB model is more attractive. The evidence doesn't support your claim. The vast majority of iPhone purchasers buy the 16GB model. Most people don't store tons of stuff on their phones, with all the cloud options available there's even less of a need to do so in the first place.

Perhaps the higher storage capacities are more attractive to people like you and me, but they're not to the average person. Apple isn't moving tens of millions of high capacity iPhones. It's a small percentage of those sold. I would wager that Apple even debates offering them from one year to the next. Without a rewarding profit margin on those SKU's, there's no good business case for making them at all.
 
SD cards use solid state memory and are faster than the iDevice solid state memory (AFAIR).


A very fitting self-description.

No, you're wrong. There's a reason why OS's are recommended to not be installed on SDs compared to USB 3 & Flash. SDs are slow compared to them.
 
Tim knew everyone would upgrade anyway, so they did the iphone 6, the worst iphone ever, no, i'm not saying it is worse than 5s, but in comparision to what other iphones were compared to their predecessor, this iphone is a joke.

So, Tim knew everyone would upgrade anyway because of the bigger screens, so they realized they didn't needed to do a better phone, and that's what they did, a marginally better iphone, maybe just a bigger 5s with MUCH worse design.
No, i'm not a hater (i'm an iphone user now, i dunno about the future)

So, why am i saying i6 is just piece of cr**??
lets start for performance:
Almost every new iphone were 2X faster then it's predecessor, iphone 5 was almost 3 times faster than 4s actually (geekbench 2 i5: ~1600, i4s: ~600)
But not the iPhone 6, it is only 25% faster than the 5s.

OK, so you think "well, the 5s is pretty fast..we don't need a faster.." BAAAANG! you actually need, i agree that 5s is pretty fast, but evolution can't stop, and when Android L come out and the first flagship 64 bit devices with 3.5 ghz octa-core and 4 GB of RAM appear you will see what is performance (yes, i know androd is pretty unefficient with its resources, but they will be much faster than i6)

Then you think, ok, we can't get everything, A8 is 20 nm, it's pretty efficient! 50% more efficient they say!! BAAAAAANG!!! it's not that great! going from 28 nm to 20 nm gives you a theorical gain of 96% (!!!!!!!) of efficienty, so you say "it mean nothing" well, did you remember that i said almost every new iphone was 2x faster than before? yes, they were, but their battery life were the same or a bit better, just like the i6 (which isn't nearly as fast as 2x faster)

Lets see some specs for the 4.7" model:

Wifi browsing: 10h -> 11h (+10%)
3G browsing: 8h -> 10h (+25%)
LTE browsing: 10h -> 10h (+0 %, i don't believe it can get 10h on LTE anyway)
music: 40h -> 50h (+25%, music is played with screen turned off, it has a bigger battery and more efficient processor, should have got better results)
3G calling: 10h -> 14h (+40%, good)
video: 10h -> 11h (+10%)

Ok, so the iPhone 6 hasn't got a significant upgrade on performance and in battery life. but it can get worse:

1 GB of RAM!!!!!!!!!!
yeeees, lets hope the i6 Plus gets 2GB, but in the 4.7" it's pretty much has the same as the i5 got in 2012, it means that apps can't be designed to be more powerful and that every time you multitask between more than 5 huge apps you will need to wait to refresh again (if you have facebook, twitter, whatsapp, instagram all open and you are watching a 8 min HD video on youtube, when you get back to facebook...surprise!!! iOS killed it because it had no enough RAM)

AAAAAAND i said nothing about SAFARI, so, forget about having more than 10 tabs opened and going to youtube watch stuff (or even other app like facebook), when you came back you will need to wait everything refresh.

this isn't bad enoght for you? so, if you upgrade your iphone every year what i will say is not a problem, but if you take longer to upgrade, listen: we have 1 GB of ram in iphone since 2012, so probably i6 is the last will get 1 GB, 6s will get 2 GB and all the apps will be optimized for devices with 2 GB, the same that happened to the 4s when the 5 came out, so, it will only performs well until 6s.

Not bad enough? remember that it starts at 16 GB.
not bad yet?? well, remember that protruding camera that is not even symmetrical alligned to the corner of the device and that antenna bands...
 
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you paid for a premium price for an apple device. you'd expect a premium design. You take the beautiful design out of apple and what do you have? An overpriced samsung galaxy. It's the core of apple, steve jobs knew that and that's why he stressed design so much. So yes the lines do matter.

It's a phone, not a painting. A phone is a tool. Lines don't mean crap. I don't determine the value of my DSLR (or a wrench for that matter) by how pretty it is.
 
It's a phone, not a painting. A phone is a tool. Lines don't mean crap. I don't determine the value of my DSLR (or a wrench for that matter) by how pretty it is.

I'm at the point now that I wish Apple would integrate the same damn lines into their iPhone cases, just to piss off the line-obsessed.

I actually agree that they could have been designed better, but they're hardly a dealbreaker. I'll bet when Ive removes them from the iPhone 7, people will raise holy hell and claim they are iconic.
 
I'm at the point now that I wish Apple would integrate the same damn lines into their iPhone cases, just to piss off the line-obsessed.

I actually agree that they could have been designed better, but they're hardly a dealbreaker. I'll bet when Ive removes them from the iPhone 7, people will raise holy hell and claim they are iconic.

Actually, you bring up cases but the most ironic thing of all is that 75 percent of those bitching about "lines" will proceed to put their new iPhone in a case.
 
One of the rare insightful posts here. You are indeed correct. Buying Android is actually only a conscious decision using real brain cells less than 10% of the time. The rest its either someone who couldn't care less taking whatever the guy at the kiosk gives them for free, or some poor person from a country where a decent phone isn't on the table. However, there are 3 kinds of thoughtful Android buyers-

1) Size- these ones will now switch
2) Cost- will stick to Android but the race to the bottom will mean they will soon be buying Android phones sold at cost, so not an important market for someone who wants to run a good business
3) People living in Google's garden of pure ideology- "Google is teh open" and all that. Of course evidence is piling up that Google is among the most wicked companies you can buy from (they hate privacy, net neutrality, and they've slapped Android OEMs with all sorts of restrictions on what they can do with Google's 'open' platform), so this group should dwindle with time.

Google doesn't hate net-neutrality. Learn up. It loves it. It defends it along with every other tech company

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does anyone else have the feeling of the shift from "i" to "Image"

I think iWatch was taken (as was iPhone and iPad) and the holder didn't want to sell
 
Tim knew everyone would upgrade anyway, so they did the iphone 6, the worst iphone ever, no, i'm not saying it is worse than 5s, but in comparision to what other iphones were compared to their predecessor, this iphone is just ********.

Almost every new iphone were 2X faster then it's predecessor, iphone 5 was almost 3 times faster than 4s actually (geekbench 2 i5: ~1600, i4s: ~600)
But not the iPhone 6, it is only 25% faster than the 5s.

OK, so you think "well, the 5s is pretty fast..we don't need a faster.." BAAAANG! you actually need, i agree that 5s is pretty fast, but evolution can't stop, and when Android L come out and the first flagship 64 bit devices with 3.5 ghz octa-core and 4 GB of RAM appear you will see what is performance (yes, i know androd is pretty unefficient with its resources, but they will be much faster than i6)

Then you think, ok, we can't get everything, A8 is 20 nm, it's pretty efficient! 50% more efficient they say!! BAAAAAANG!!! it's not that great! going from 28 nm to 20 nm gives you a theorical gain of 96% (!!!!!!!) of efficienty, so you say "it mean nothing" well, did you remember that i said almost every new iphone was 2x faster than before? yes, they were, but their battery life were the same or a bit better, just like the i6 (which isn't nearly as fast as 2x faster)

Lets see some specs for the 4.7" model:

Wifi browsing: 10h -> 11h (+10%)
3G browsing: 8h -> 10h (+25%)
LTE browsing: 10h -> 10h (+0 %, i don't believe it can get 10h on LTE anyway)
music: 40h -> 50h (+25%, music is played with screen turned off, it has a bigger battery and more efficient processor, should have got better results)
3G calling: 10h -> 14h (+40%, good)
video: 10h -> 11h (+10%)

Ok, so the iPhone 6 hasn't got a significant upgrade on performance and in battery life. but it can get worse:

1 GB of RAM!!!!!!!!!!
yeeees, lets hope the i6 Plus gets 2GB, but in the 4.7" it's pretty much has the same as the i5 got in 2012, it means that apps can't be designed to be more powerful and that every time you multitask between more than 5 huge apps you will need to wait to refresh again (if you have facebook, twitter, whatsapp, instagram all open and you are watching a 8 min HD video on youtube, when you get back to facebook...surprise!!! iOS killed it because it had no enough RAM)

AAAAAAND i said nothing about SAFARI, so, forget about having more than 10 tabs opened and going to youtube watch stuff (or even other app like facebook), when you came back you will need to wait everything refresh.

Apple made a poor design choice IMO by opting for thinner instead of increasing battery life. The A8's gains over A7 are still significant, but different, as the A8 gains modestly in performance but significantly in efficiency. Yet these efficiency gains are not realized by the user because they are converted into thinness. Apple had a chance to kill competitors on battery life and instead chose to go thinner. For my needs that's the wrong choice, since even with my 4S I've never complained about thickness or even weight, but I sure as hell wish the battery lasted longer. Apple missed an opportunity since the number one complaint by all mobile phone users is battery life.

The 1 GB RAM confounds me, I have no idea why Apple gimped it so. It's such a cheap and easy way to improve the user experience. We do know that based on the graphic design of iOS, Apple intends for it to be used as a toy, so maybe they figure 1 GB is plenty for toy playing? I'm joking cynically, mostly.
 
I know I'll be upgrading.

But only because my iPhone 4 is no longer supported.

Also I sat on it. Good timing for that, I suppose.
 
This is true to some extant because apple does not allow beta testing of apps on app store. Google allows for things such as beta testing, and doesn't have restrictions like apple. But the mainstream apps, games, etc. are all the same today(I wouldn't have said that 2-3 years ago).

They allow beta testing with TestFlight now.
 
I think it's pretty strange that Tim Cook is continuing to intentionally reduce Apple's cachet by transforming what was once a solidly upper middle class brand into a brand that "sells" free plastic phones and phablets, a device specification reserved for the poor in both the 3rd World and Western nations.

Phablets are great for the poor, across the board, because one device can be used for multiple purposes; those with money can afford specialized devices to serve particular use cases. In the U.S., phablets are also a boon for the poor because most of them are obese and have trouble using their fat, greasy sausage fingers on a reasonably sized screen. For the American poor/obese, carrying such a large device around isn't problematic because they buy gigantic clothing with gigantic pockets; those with money tend to be in better health and to wear stylishly form fitting clothing that obviously is not accented with pockets larger than one's hands.

And I don't know who that watch is targeted at because the only people who still wear watches in any significant numbers are wealthy people who wear very expensive watches and they will not be trading them in for a novelty that only functions as a parasite to a huge phone made for huge poor people.

This just seems like another misstep in a staggering path of them for Cook and I'll be curious to see if the board forces him out in time to turn things around for the company.
 
Actually, you bring up cases but the most ironic thing of all is that 75 percent of those bitching about "lines" will proceed to put their new iPhone in a case.

Some of them claim not to need cases because they never drop their phones. Heh.
 
You say S products don't offer innovation, yet you go on to list all the innovations in the 4S and 5S.

That's fascinating why you won't upgrade to the 6. Utterly fascinating. Like watching a National Geographic on new deep sea organisms fascinating.

Ok Siri wasn't an S (hardware) innovation. It was a software innovation that happened to make it's debut on the 4S b/c w/o it 4S was nothing (Siri could run on the 4 just as it could be run on the iPad 2 well enough, but Apple needed a selling point). 3G offered 3G, but 3GS offered nothing. 5S's TouchID was innovative, I agreed, but in no way was central to the iOS system so wasn't a big thing. Whereas 3GS to 4 introduced new form factor and much thinner. I'm talking specifically about hardware innovations, stuff that the actual S model has. So of the 3 S systems, only 1 actually had any significant hardware innovation, except that one hardware innovation was like Siri, looking beautiful but not actually accomplishing much (A7 was a huge accomplishment, but was not taken advantage of by devs, until hopefully, Metal releases w/ iOS 8. The M7 was huge though, but again, had a targeted niche so, while introducing a world of possibilities, wasn't hugely taken advantage of). Siri on iOS 5 did actually little. It did more on iOS 6 and more on iOS 7 and now, more, on iOS 8. Same with TouchID. Oooh, I don't need to enter in a 4-digit or several character long password, except TouchID takes about as long to do as entering those in. Now it actually has at least one true purpose (ApplePay).

Whereas, 6 now offers NFC (which, yes was in Android phones but failed to really take off), ApplePay (and integrated solution that is going to be used far more often b/c Apple tends to make better business deals than Google). It also introduces/re-introduces a new/old form factor and is really thin. Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen.

So let me explain it differently: S products/innovations are betas (Siri was literally in beta for the 4S) that are far more refined in the next generation.

And I believe I said I probably won't upgrade. It depends on what's there on the 6S, but then I'll be put on the S upgrade cycle
 
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