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"Can't afford the products" wreaks of entitlement. Looking at your signature, it's clear your pockets run deep for Apple, but come on. I paid $900 all-in for my Pixel, still an expensive phone, because it's the device I prefer. There are plenty of affordable iPhone options out there.

The previous poster was asking why people come here to hate and I was pointing out that its jealousy. I don't care what phone or product you buy or why you bought it, I don't see what relevance that has to why folks come here to vent their spleens at Apple.
 
I didn't mind the notch at all on the home screen and in some apps I used, I soon got 'used to it'. I still think it's a design failure when the rest of the experience which requires full screen content is compromised due to the notch cutting into said content. It cuts into it when playing games (especially worse in landscape games like racing), it's terribly obstructive when you actually want to take full advantage of the screen and view your pictures in full like Snapchat pics for example, and although not many people use this (that's not the point, it's just the fact that it's still there), if you open GarageBand and go into keyboard it cuts into the damn keys at the edge of the keyboard.

I don't get this over defense of the notch at all and dislike Apple apologists who just gloss over it and basically 'accept' it.

Let me ask you this; would you seriously buy a TV with a notch at the top of it? Would you be perfectly comfortable with it cutting into your movies or whatever you watch? I highly doubt it. No screen in the history of screens has done it and there's a reason for that and that reason is because it is absolutely obstructive, uniform, doesn't make any logical sense and is awful design. The UI and software now has to be written entirely around it on the X like with control centre which used to be easy to access but is now in a worse and harder to get to position and requires two hands.

It's ok though we'll just force ourselves to get used to it because Apple.

As I said above, if it was something that was exclusively, or even predominantly used for watching film and tv, of course its going to bother people. But for the vast majority of apps, that is just dead space anyway, and nothing is being obscured or compromised in any way.

That I, and presumably millions of other people, do not have a problem with it because of that fact, it does not make me, or anyone else, some sort of apologist? Why can it never be that people legitimately don't have an issue with something because it genuinely doesn't impact their experience? Why does it always have to be because people are somehow putting up with something they shouldn't want to, and be labelled "an apologist"? Or that just because you don't like it, it somehow means that I, and others. have somehow forced ourselves, almost against our will, to get used to it?

If you don't like it, fine - don't buy it. But stop projecting your views on others, and concluding that they are the same and somehow putting up with something they don't really like, just because you don't really like it.

A TV is completely different, because it would *always* cut into content in a way that, for many, it does not on the phone.

The gesture for the control centre has nothing to do with the notch.
 
I’m not rationalizing, I’m just reporting what was said on the call:

OK. Fair enough. But that was Apple rationalizing, or spinning, & playing up the good numbers and downplaying the disappointing ones. That is it's job. The no beat doesn't make me want to liquidate my position but I have to acknowledge it's there and at least short term not good. OTOH, much as I don't like TC, I trust they will make the necessary corrections as they did when iPad sales started flopping.
 
What were your reasoning for bashing? I feel like most were just reluctant to change (I get that, it's a big change), but I have actually been surprised on how great it all works, although Face ID could use more extreme angles and landscape. I am sure that'll come in version 2.
It was removing Touch ID but I accepted that Face ID is the future and it makes sense now
 
1) It’s not surprising that the newest, shiniest model will be the best selling out of 7 models available (SE, 6s, 6s+, 7, 7+, 8, 8+, X)

2) they key to generating more unit growth will be in the X+, and more importantly the 6.1” LCD phone. The LCD phone has to be the most popular and desirable model in order for unit growth to really jump
 
Gee it's easy to say something "surpassed our expectations" when those expectations were never made known. What is known is that Apple wanted to get 50 million iPhone X's built in that 1/4 & problems reduced that to 30 million. So.. was their expectation to meet just 3/5 of their original projection?

The real truth is Apple were expecting the iPhone X to be their biggest selling product ever. A phone so radical that didn't just appeal to Apple cultists renewing their devices, but attract a large portion of new (Android) customers. The reality is it's only been 60% effective so a far. Also total iPhone sales were a million less than the same 1/4 last year. So they haven't even expanded their user base at all.

re: BIB - you can't conclude that from the fact that they sold less than the same quarter last year.

For all we know that could include 50m people who have just bought their first iPhone, in which case they could have expanded their user base by 50m people.

I mean, obviously probably not that many people, but you get the point.
 
In many people's eyes, the iPhone is a failure. It just depends on your point of view or the definition of failure.

You can say that literally about anything.

But by any reasonable metric, the iPhone X is a great success, both in terms of profits and customer satisfaction. Of course, this is Machaters - people will find ways to present it as a failure, even if it cured cancer.
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Who said statistics don’t lie? You can always cherry pick numbers. I’ll keep my Note 8 thank you vm.

Why would any statistic or report, positive or otherwise, cause you to ditch your Note 8, if you're happy with it? Conversely, why does you liking your Note 8 make the report of iPhone X success "a lie"?
 
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I was like that too but when I heard that the next versions of the X will have higher ram and longer battery life, and possibly better faceid accuracy, I don’t regret waiting another 7 months
Yes my plan was (is) get the 8 and make the jump next year with improved version 2 of the X. Still on that plan but to do over again I would have got the X at first. "Oh well" moment. Not a big deal. I do like the 8 for its wireless charging and improved specs so it's all good.
 
Not yet, but I'm sure they will. I mean Google Photos supports Apple's new stuff, so I'd imagine they'll jump on board at some point. Of course if they are using something and I'm mistaken, someone correct me. What I can't stand about the Pixel 2 though is the default compression for images sent over MMS is extremely aggressive to the point that images look absolutely horrid. That's one big advantage of iOS over Android's default text messaging. Literally any other messaging app sends better quality images.

The MMS issue has more to do with carrier limits on mms. Today the standard for mms max size is around 1MB, at least in the USA. The big advantage for iOS is that iPhone to iPhone messaging is iMessage and there is very little to no compression there. It’s like using an IM service like WhatsApp but it’s built into the phone. Very nice ecosystem lock in feature. Video over mms is especially bad on any device that doesn’t use iMessage or another IM service. Native mms on most carriers has not kept up with how consumers use their devices.

This was one of the main things keeping me on iOS for a long time but I have had iMessage off on my iPhone 8 Plus for 6 months now and have been actively switching back and forth between iOS and Android since.
 
I will admit I'm very surprised at how well the iPhone X has sold compared to the other devices. It likely accounted for 25% - 30% of overall sales to drive the ASP up by $100 compared to Q1 2017. I was expecting closer to 82 million units sold with an ASP of $750 to hit Apple's revenue target, yet they exceeded the target with less sales.

It is apparently expected to sell well into next quarter too if Apple expects $10 billion more in revenue on stagnant unit sales. ASP will likely be at least $75 higher than Q2 of last year which will be impressive. It shows there are a lot more people willing to splurge $1,000+ on a phone than I would have ever thought.

I just hope this doesn't affect the rumored $700 6.1" LCD device. That was right in my sweet spot if it isn't crippled with limited memory, storage, or processor.
 
OK. Fair enough. But that was Apple rationalizing, or spinning, & playing up the good numbers and downplaying the disappointing ones. That is it's job. The no beat doesn't make me want to liquidate my position but I have to acknowledge it's there and at least short term not good. OTOH, much as I don't like TC, I trust they will make the necessary corrections as they did when iPad sales started flopping.
Apple was reminding people of a very important point. Adjusted for the same weekly sales figures, Apple sold around 83M iPhones. Apple doesn't provide unit sales projections, so the unit sales iPhone miss is a made up Wallstreet number.

Apple beat on both top and bottom lines and grew sales and profit 13% y/y. $88B in revenue and $20B in profit in 90 days. That's not even 14 versus 13 week adjusted.

It's an amazing quarter. The iPhone revenue was insane. They grew ASP of iPhone by almost $100 PER phone. $61.5B in revenue on iPhone versus $54B last Q1. They guided for a $10B revenue increase over Q2 last year. Wallstreet is crazy and that's why Buffett bought 134M shares (maybe he bought more and we'll find out when 13F comes out in February).

As Cook said, it's a mistake (in my opinion) to focus on some arbitrary 90 day stopwatch of iPhone sales. You're seeing that in the stock today. Too much focus on an arbitrary unit sales number. 1.3B active devices and $800 iPhone ASP is the story. People are willing to pay more for iPhones. Apple is transitioning to an even more premium brand that people want.

Apple announced an iPhone that wasn't available until Nov 4, assuredly slowing sales for October and still managed to sell 77.3M iphones (only 1M fewer than their best ever). I would have liked to see a little strong unit sales in iPhone, but the $800 ASP blew me away. The Street only expected around $750. That extra $50 ASP made up for the 4M unit sale "miss" expected by Wallstreet.
 
I was like that too but when I heard that the next versions of the X will have higher ram and longer battery life, and possibly better faceid accuracy, I don’t regret waiting another 7 months


And I'm glad I finally upgraded from my 6 plus to the x and will enjoy it until the x plus releases this year. Just sell the old x and upgrade, why wait. With the $200 I get for the 6+ it's not going to cost me much to use the X for 10 months while waiting for the X Plus.

The x plus will be my next 3 year hold phone.
 
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OK. Fair enough. But that was Apple rationalizing, or spinning, & playing up the good numbers and downplaying the disappointing ones. That is it's job. The no beat doesn't make me want to liquidate my position but I have to acknowledge it's there and at least short term not good. OTOH, much as I don't like TC, I trust they will make the necessary corrections as they did when iPad sales started flopping.
Where are iPhone sales flopping? At worst they were flat. And this quarter isn’t over yet so we don’t know if they’ll beat the 50M from last year or not. It blows my mind how a company can report $88B in revenues and $20B in profits in *one quarter* and be treated as though they’re on the brink of disaster. And I’m not being hyperbolic. Name me one other company that reports revenues of $88B and profits of $20B and their stock drops 2-3% the next day. As far as Wall Street is concerned Apple is always one quarter away from doom.
 
The MMS issue has more to do with carrier limits on mms. Today the standard for mms max size is around 1MB, at least in the USA. The big advantage for iOS is that iPhone to iPhone messaging is iMessage and there is very little to no compression there. It’s like using an IM service like WhatsApp but it’s built into the phone. Very nice ecosystem lock in feature. Video over mms is especially bad on any device that doesn’t use iMessage or another IM service. Native mms on most carriers has not kept up with how consumers use their devices
I know it's the limitations of regular texting, but the image compression is way more aggressive than before. There really isn't a reason to use the built in messaging app.

This was one of the main things keeping me on iOS for a long time but I have had iMessage off on my iPhone 8 Plus for 6 months now and have been actively switching back and forth between iOS and Android since.
Why do you have iMessage off?
 
Where are iPhone sales flopping? At worst they were flat. And this quarter isn’t over yet so we don’t know if they’ll beat the 50M from last year or not. It blows my mind how a company can report $88B in revenues and $20B in profits in *one quarter* and be treated as though they’re on the brink of disaster. And I’m not being hyperbolic. Name me one other company that reports revenues of $88B and profits of $20B and their stock drops 2-3% the next day. As far as Wall Street is concerned Apple is always one quarter away from doom.
The $20B profit in one quarter is the best quarter in corporate history.

I am buying this gift. Wait until Apple announces another $200 buyback program when they announce Q2 numbers. The shares outstanding will be dropping even more.

The selling is wrong. It's dumb selling as Buffett would say.
 
Can we stop with the positive iPhone X posts please and get back to the good ol' negativity of the forums. Thanks.
 
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As usual, Apple makes the pundits eat dirt. Watch the stock price continue to rise past $200 per share in the next six months. Now, be off to play with your Androids and Sammy copy phones!
Ya, this ain't happening any time soon. Analysts all downgraded their projections. Maybe if you owned some stock instead of just pretend to you'd feel different waking up and seeing the dip we're in now.
 
Where are iPhone sales flopping? At worst they were flat. And this quarter isn’t over yet so we don’t know if they’ll beat the 50M from last year or not. It blows my mind how a company can report $88B in revenues and $20B in profits in *one quarter* and be treated as though they’re on the brink of disaster. And I’m not being hyperbolic. Name me one other company that reports revenues of $88B and profits of $20B and their stock drops 2-3% the next day. As far as Wall Street is concerned Apple is always one quarter away from doom.

It is strange these posts or analysts actually saying things are in any way "bad." When you step back and look at the amount of money, even if their sales were flat or (OMG) declined, they still make almost unfathomable amounts of money every quarter.

Can we stop with the positive iPhone X posts please and get back to the good ol' negativity of the forums. Thanks.

haha good one.
 
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I have one and really like it. With that being said, look forward to trading up to the iPhone X Plus this fall!
 
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