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Unfortunately, after hours are never reliable predictors :/ 9:30 - 4:00 am are the best times to get a true gauge of how wall st took the news. Wall st only cares about growth potential, they don't value a company for its products only its profits. Jobs never gave a damn about wall street, never even gave them a dividend, and thats how it should have remained IMHO.

Double digit growth all over the place with Apple though, so I think this will be appreciated soon and the stock will go up.

It's ridiculous that it is lower - even with a bad day for the entire market. It's just absurd.

Double Digit Growth for the largest revenue company?

Please compare to anything else out there.
 
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I know it's the limitations of regular texting, but the image compression is way more aggressive than before. There really isn't a reason to use the built in messaging app.


Why do you have iMessage off?

It’s possible that the built in messaging app is doing more aggressive compression then needed. I wonder if that setting comes from the carrier? Since every carrier provides a config file for your device once you insert the sim. The big issue is sending videos over mms. I’ve stopped trying video mms sharing and just share directly from google photos instead.

The reason I have iMessage off is because it makes it easier to move between iOS and Android devices without skipping a beat. It’s still a bit of a nightmare to leave iMessage these days. You’ll miss text messages from iOS in the beginning once you disable it.

Before anyone loses their mind I know the iPhone 8 hasn’t been out for 6 months but I turned off iMessage on my 6s prior to trying a few Android devices.
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Actually Palm famously copied the Apple Newton OS. Also Palm’s wireless charging was crap.

Let me clarify. Palm Webos from 2009 had all the fancy swipe gestures for going home and app switching everyone is raving about on the iPhone X. I’m not a huge fan of it but it seems like a lot of people are.

The charging tech in palm pre was technically Qi wireless charging. The same that is in the iPhone and some android phones today. My guess is the tech behind it has advanced greatly in 9 years.
 
I use a Pixel alongside my iPhone as well and the experience is about the same. Some things are easier on the Pixel like one-touch hotspot, Google’s voice recognition or Bluetooth file sharing. Two things ultimately keep me glued into the Apple system: iChat and FaceTime. Without those there really is no substantial difference as the same 3rd party apps are on both platforms. Yes Apple still has better design, but it’s software lead is largely disappearing and they are beginning to rely more on a hardware lead instead, things like faster processors and custom 3D-imaging circuits.

Whats App kicked iMessages almost an year ago, WhatsApp is the best messaging app available today, i have an iPhone, i use WhatsApp for messaging, iMessage for work related messages.
 
Whats App kicked iMessages almost an year ago, WhatsApp is the best messaging app available today, i have an iPhone, i use WhatsApp for messaging, iMessage for work related messages.

I won’t say whatsapp is the best, just the most prevalent. People use it because that’s what everyone else is using, and it’s far too much of a hassle to switch.

In terms of functionality, iMessage and telegram have it beat. Why is there still no native tablet or desktop app for whatsapp?
 
It was removing Touch ID but I accepted that Face ID is the future and it makes sense now



Face ID - more secure, pretty fast, Touchless, a bit awkward in the middle of the night if you happen to need to check your phone.

Touch ID - less secure, very fast, Not good with wet fingers can unlock your phone in the dark when you are half asleep.


I do not think Face ID has to extinct Touch ID.

Touch ID is not obsolete and it would be best to have both if you could.
 
Three months in with the iPhone X and Face ID failures are maybe one out of one hundred attempts now if that. The Notch worried me in the beginning but became a non-issue while test driving it at Verizon and remains that way to this day. The X is my all-time favorite smart phone.
 
They don't break down sales to individual models, "but trust us... X topped the charts EVERY week (gleaming ping from Tim's tooth)!". Yeah frickin' right.

If only non-Apple companies could get away w/ such blatant secrecy, partial lies & spin. This company's arrogance & contempt for its users is sickening, to me.

So you believe that Tim Cook broke the law? That’s your reasoning?
 
I won’t say whatsapp is the best, just the most prevalent. People use it because that’s what everyone else is using, and it’s far too much of a hassle to switch.

In terms of functionality, iMessage and telegram have it beat. Why is there still no native tablet or desktop app for whatsapp?

Because most people use Whatsapp on their phone, and it's platform independent. I have also never felt compelled to use Messages on my iPad to send texts to people. The phone is just so much easier to type on.
 
Zero sales from me as long as there is a notch. The 8 Plus will be my final iphone

It really is a bit of a glaring design flaw that they have that notch.

It doesn't bother me, but I'm just thinking about it.

They push so hard to make these things thin, and they won't increase the length 10mm to kill that notch!

Meanwhile, the phone is so slippery, it is impossible to hold it without dropping it - to the point that I wouldn't consider owning my iPhone without a case. They should have just over-moulded rubber grip material on the iPhone. But no it always has to be 0.2mm thinner every year because - ?

Anyway - these are first world problems :)

I get the latest phone because I want the best camera to capture family photo's mainly.
 
Because most people use Whatsapp on their phone, and it's platform independent. I have also never felt compelled to use Messages on my iPad to send texts to people. The phone is just so much easier to type on.
It's an issue of convenience. Say I am using my iPad in my living room and my phone is in my bedroom. With WhatsApp, I always had to make sure that my phone was right next to me so I didn't miss out on any incoming messages. With telegram and iMessage, I get them regardless of which device I am on. I can effortlessly receive and send texts from my iPad or Macs. Even my Apple Watch.

And it's easier to type longer message on a computer compared to a phone.
 
It's an issue of convenience. Say I am using my iPad in my living room and my phone is in my bedroom. With WhatsApp, I always had to make sure that my phone was right next to me so I didn't miss out on any incoming messages. With telegram and iMessage, I get them regardless of which device I am on. I can effortlessly receive and send texts from my iPad or Macs. Even my Apple Watch.

And it's easier to type longer message on a computer compared to a phone.
There is a workaround to get it working on the iPad using the web interface, but it defeats the purpose of having an app. Dunno why WhatsApp still doesn't have an iPad app. Every other messaging app works across all devices.
 
There is a workaround to get it working on the iPad using the web interface, but it defeats the purpose of having an app. Dunno why WhatsApp still doesn't have an iPad app. Every other messaging app works across all devices.
Which is one of the reasons I have stopped using iPad many, many years ago and using Samsung Tablets which has all the features of a mobile phone and has a big form factor.
 
I can’t speak for anyone else but I absolutely love the iPhone X. Whenever I hold a 6s or 7 or 8 it feels odd now.

Future X iterations will only get better and better and this is already pretty amazing.

I got to hold an in store demo yesterday and was pleasantly surprised at the size of it. Very happy it closeley resembles my 7.

Was very heavy though. I’ve seen two in the iOS in the same amount of days.
 
Apple was reminding people of a very important point. Adjusted for the same weekly sales figures, Apple sold around 83M iPhones. Apple doesn't provide unit sales projections, so the unit sales iPhone miss is a made up Wallstreet number.

Apple beat on both top and bottom lines and grew sales and profit 13% y/y. $88B in revenue and $20B in profit in 90 days. That's not even 14 versus 13 week adjusted.

It's an amazing quarter. The iPhone revenue was insane. They grew ASP of iPhone by almost $100 PER phone. $61.5B in revenue on iPhone versus $54B last Q1. They guided for a $10B revenue increase over Q2 last year. Wallstreet is crazy and that's why Buffett bought 134M shares (maybe he bought more and we'll find out when 13F comes out in February).

As Cook said, it's a mistake (in my opinion) to focus on some arbitrary 90 day stopwatch of iPhone sales. You're seeing that in the stock today. Too much focus on an arbitrary unit sales number. 1.3B active devices and $800 iPhone ASP is the story. People are willing to pay more for iPhones. Apple is transitioning to an even more premium brand that people want.

Apple announced an iPhone that wasn't available until Nov 4, assuredly slowing sales for October and still managed to sell 77.3M iphones (only 1M fewer than their best ever). I would have liked to see a little strong unit sales in iPhone, but the $800 ASP blew me away. The Street only expected around $750. That extra $50 ASP made up for the 4M unit sale "miss" expected by Wallstreet.

Another detail is that the same quarter last year was 14 weeks, this year was 13. So even though the number was down by 1m YoY, the average units sold peer week increased form 5.6m to 5.9m.

That these figures are deemed not good enough by some is insane.
 



During today's earnings call covering the first fiscal quarter of 2018, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the iPhone X has "surpassed our expectations" and has been the "top selling iPhone" every week since it shipped in November.

Apple says the iPhone X, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8 Plus lineup brought in the highest revenue of any iPhone lineup in the company's history.

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Apple does not break down iPhone sales by model, but the company sold 77.3 million iPhones in total, which was below analyst expectations. iPhone average selling price was up thanks to the iPhone X, coming in at $796 compared to $695 in the year-ago quarter.

Cook also said that customer satisfaction is "off the charts" for the iPhone X, and that Face ID was "incredibly well received."

Cook was asked about the future of the iPhone X and whether Apple sees its lineup expanding to encompass two iPhone X-style devices in the future, and he of course declined to respond.

He did, however, say that Apple is "thrilled" with the reception to the iPhone X, and that with its launch, the company was setting up the next decade of development. "That's how we look at it, and that's the reason it's chock full of incredible innovations. So you can bet that we're pulling that string," Cook said.

Going forward, Apple CFO Luca Maestri said in answer to a question about slower growth in the coming quarter that Apple believes iPhone revenue will actually grow double digits compared to last year's March quarter. iPhone sell-through growth, he says, will be accelerating compared to the December quarter.

Apple's guidance for the second quarter of fiscal 2018 includes expected revenue of $60-$62 billion and gross margin between 38 and 38.5 percent.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook: iPhone X Has Been the Top Selling iPhone Every Week Since it Shipped
[doublepost=1517654669][/doublepost]Tim cook must be a liar. Sold out to US. RIP Steve Jobs. You undid everything he was about.

With your great customer service? They don't report nothing. They won't let you transfer to upper management. They lie and protect themselves. I am disabled and I have involuntary muscle spasms and seizures. The managers not only didn't log my incident but said it was resolved. But I told them the phone was broken.

I almost died and bought a MacBook pro. 2 years later I opened it and found wifi problems. They told me they would honor warranty only if I had reported it earlier. None of the information was logged and they said the incident was resolved. On many different occasions they told me to wait for a call back. They never did, then said the warranty was over.

Steve Jobs was always about quality products and support. Steve Jobs said he wanted Apple products to work a lifetime. And that if they stopped working its cause you moved on. But that your kids will be able to keep using them.

So what happens when Steve Jobs died? RIP APPLE PRODUCTS and came EOL service to all Apple products and slow downs and manipulation and government backdoors that are classified. I used to be a phone repair tech. The GPS on my phone is faulty, but they wont' let me replace it cause they said their system shows its working. The phone has broken speakers, I reported it, but their system said it was working. After warranty, now they said their system says its broken. They won't let you replace any parts unless Apple says so. Just like the battery issue. If apple said your phone is working fine, they won't let you replace it.

Tim cook probably murdered Steve Jobs. Look at IPhone then and IPhone before. Its as bad as the Samsung lawsuit with Apple.

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Another detail is that the same quarter last year was 14 weeks, this year was 13. So even though the number was down by 1m YoY, the average units sold peer week increased form 5.6m to 5.9m.

That these figures are deemed not good enough by some is insane.

Then there’s this nugget:

“Research firm IDC said Friday that Apple overtook archrival Samsung in the fourth quarter as the largest smartphone seller in the world, with a 19.2 percent market share to Samsung’s 18.4 percent.”

Awful job by Apple. The iPhone X is too expensive. They are alienating their core customer. The notch is ugly. Face ID doesn’t work. It’ll never sell.
 
They don't break down sales to individual models, "but trust us... X topped the charts EVERY week (gleaming ping from Tim's tooth)!". Yeah frickin' right.

If only non-Apple companies could get away w/ such blatant secrecy, partial lies & spin. This company's arrogance & contempt for its users is sickening, to me.

Why would he lie?
 
Apple was reminding people of a very important point. Adjusted for the same weekly sales figures, Apple sold around 83M iPhones. Apple doesn't provide unit sales projections, so the unit sales iPhone miss is a made up Wallstreet number.

Well then Apple did a poor job because AAPL is now down 10% from recent highs — officially now in correction territory. I don’t know if you own AAPL or not. I do and a nice chunk. Bought in 2001 and never looked back. Own about 20 other stocks in various sectors. I am as unemotional about my AAPL holding as my other investments. You should too if you want to stay above water. I understand corporatespeak and long term am still confident AAPL will at least match the broad market. But this quarter was decidedly mixed. Short term doesn’t look great which is why so much money has left AAPL going to more attractive short/medium term investments.
 
Then there’s this nugget:

“Research firm IDC said Friday that Apple overtook archrival Samsung in the fourth quarter as the largest smartphone seller in the world, with a 19.2 percent market share to Samsung’s 18.4 percent.”

Awful job by Apple. The iPhone X is too expensive. They are alienating their core customer. The notch is ugly. Face ID doesn’t work. It’ll never sell.

Great that Apple > Samsung.

Great that they released the 8/8+.

The X is expensive.
The notch is certainly not desireable.
FaceID V2 will no doubt work for all.
 
Well then Apple did a poor job because AAPL is now down 10% from recent highs — officially now in correction territory. I don’t know if you own AAPL or not. I do and a nice chunk. Bought in 2001 and never looked back. Own about 20 other stocks in various sectors. I am as unemotional about my AAPL holding as my other investments. You should too if you want to stay above water. I understand corporatespeak and long term am still confident AAPL will at least match the broad market. But this quarter was decidedly mixed. Short term doesn’t look great which is why so much money has left AAPL going to more attractive short/medium term investments.
I’m assuming you listened to the call? It was extremely bullish and they did an excellent job explaining everything. People don’t always care or listen.

I don’t think the quarter was decidedly mixed. Practically everything was up on a constant week basis and top and bottom lines grew 13% y/y. I own a lot of AAPL but I own others that go up and down too. AAPL trades at lik 12 times 2018 earnings ex-cash. lol!

What can I say? It’s not going to be a good day when the Dow is down 666. Can you say manipulation? It’s a lot of dumb selling. I bought more and will continue if it sells off more.

Value wins long term and manipulation/speculation drive the short term. Apple made $20B profit in 90 days and will probably buyback another $200B in shares. I’m sure Buffett didn’t sell his 134M shares.

I’ve been in stocks long enough to know not to overreact and the market can be irrational. GOOGL was down harder than Apple and their results were not great, but not this bad.

When good companies’ stocks decline, you buy more. It’s literally always a good decision if you have to psychology to hold. I like when stocks go down like his because I can buy quality much cheaper. Shortselling hedge funds are in control right now but they will have to cover soon. Apple can start buying back shares Tuesday.
 
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Then there’s this nugget:

“Research firm IDC said Friday that Apple overtook archrival Samsung in the fourth quarter as the largest smartphone seller in the world, with a 19.2 percent market share to Samsung’s 18.4 percent.”

Awful job by Apple. The iPhone X is too expensive. They are alienating their core customer. The notch is ugly. Face ID doesn’t work. It’ll never sell.

It’s mad, isn’t it?

And I’m still reading dumb articles in 2018 about what a niche, luxury, status symbol the iPhone is. That people buy them to be like rock stars and celebrities.

Its mad how the iPhone is supposed to simultaneously be this high end status symbol for the rich and elite, and this commodity that everyone and his dog now owns, sheeple that they are.

I mean, pick one, and stick with it.

I just don’t know why the narrative is never ‘company makes actually great products that people buy because they actually just, you know, really like them’!
 
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