Apple CEO Tim Cook on Hate Speech: 'You Have No Place on Our Platform'

[hawkeye_a]

So what’s the problem here again?!

The problem is, he is using Apple as his soapbox, and in doing so alienating half the population. That will affect sales.

His job as CEO of Apple is to run the business, not virtue signaling or political grandstanding.

What he does as a private citizen is not at issue here. It’s the fact that he is acting in his capacity as CEO.

 

[pweicks]

considering the fact that everyone has their own definition of what hate speech is, hate speech is total BS. What a hypocrite. He takes stuff off that doesn’t support his political views. He doesn’t care about whether or not it’s inappropriate content. Can’t remove any of the entitled ding dongs on Apple Music who use the F word in their sentences like it’s an article though, right? Can’t lose my money!

 

[sirozha]

It is not a human being before it comes out of mothers body. Therefore, it does not have rights, it cannot be treat as a human. It is entirely up to women to decide if she want keep the baby. Believe me, no women wants abort their baby if they don’t have to.

It’s not a human being before it comes out of the mother’s body? What is the fetus? Is it a collection of cells? No brain? No nervous system? Do they get “activated” as soon as the fetus passes the birth canal? At exactly what moment does a fetus become a child?

How old are you? Have you read any scientific information on this?

You obviously don’t have kids. They show you the hands, the feet, the face, etc. when you are an expectant parent. You can see the child live on the TV monitor. They play the heartbeat to you. The child recognizes the mother’s voice. The child gets scared of loud noises. The child kicks the mother. The child listens to the voices and the music and reacts to them. In fact, it’s recommended to play classical music to the fetus for brain development. There are special belts with speakers that women can wear to play music to the child who is in the womb.

If the mother is killed, the child can survive and be delivered alive and live his life to the fullest.

To say that a child inside the woman’s body is not a human being is the most ignorant thing to say. I feel sorry for you because of the indoctrination that you have been subjected to. I can’t believe people like you actually exist. People who can justify murdering little helpless human beings because the woman screwed around and didn’t bother to take precautions not to get pregnant.

Controlling one’s body means taking preventative measures not to get pregnant when you can’t resist the animal instincts. It doesn’t mean the right to murder little human beings inside of your body.

 

[nsayer]

Technically, it is censorship. It is also Apple's right to do so.

The Hays Code was also the right of every Hollywood studio to individually enforce if they chose (and they did). And since there was no other reasonable way for motion pictures to be distributed at the time it had the same de facto impact that it would have had it been a regime imposed by the government.

The first amendment has no meaning if it is only narrowly construed as to apply only to the government and can be thus easily mooted by corporate groups who collectively control a market and conspire to deny access to it, as the Hays Code originally did.

 

[tomwvr]

There is no such thing as hate speech.

You are correct.
Free speech as defined in the United States allows the most offensive and vile speech to be used. It protects no one from hate, discomfort or being offended.

When you limit speech in any way you have destroyed the idea of freedom.

What liberals don’t understand is when you allow the most nasty speech to exist people see it and reject it. When you force it underground you get people curious and extend its reach.

 

[Greymacuser]

Alt-righters once again proving that they don’t have even a basic grasp of laws or the constitution. Corporations are private entities.

And Apple-Drones once again proving they are more than willing to allow a corporation to tell them what they are allowed to think.
This used to be the subject matter of dystopian sci-fi movies. Now its welcomed as long as its wrapped in a shiny 'space gray' aluminum package.

Also, suddenly I'm alt-right because I disagree? Such tolerance.
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Uh people with backgrounds in history and the humanities tend to be very left. People in tech tend to be very libertarian because they don’t understand how society actually works. People on the right tend to be either rich and selfish or poor and undereducated.

Glad to see you're not painting with a broad brush there kid.

 

[tomwvr]

You don't like Apple's stance on these questions, buy another product.

I don’t decide on what I want to purchase due to the political leanings of the ceo or company I buy what I like . And the company can do with the profits what it deems right.

It’s kind of like freedom...
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And Apple-Drones once again proving they are more than willing to allow a corporation to tell them what they are allowed to think.
This used to be the subject matter of dystopian sci-fi movies. Now its welcomed as long as its wrapped in a shiny 'space gray' aluminum package.

Also, suddenly I'm alt-right because I disagree? Such tolerance.
[doublepost=1543942815][/doublepost]

Glad to see you're not painting with a broad brush there kid.

The way the far left acts is why trump won. People get pissed off about being told what to do and what to think .

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Really? Elaborate, i fail to see how not infringing rights of the minorities is slavery.
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Oh please.

In the same manner of speaking if you’re right you support slavery. Now we will come nowhere with such rethoric will we?

My point is that, almost always whenever the media or the liberals and leftists like Timmy are “spewing hate” against the right wing ideology and demonize it, they never mention the horrors and the dangers of the opposite ideology. It’s only Nazis and Hitler that have supposedly committed horrors.
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The whole bakery/gay wedding cake thing drives me crazy because so many people equate refusing to decorate a cake in a specific manner with refusing service. Refusing to make a cake with a message that one finds offensive is not the same thing at all as refusing service to someone at a restaurant or retail store or even selling a pre-decorated cake. The defining factor is "work for hire."

• Should a painter who typically paints family portraits be forced to paint a nude couple if he finds painting nudes uncomfortable?
• Should an author who co-authors books be forced to co-author a book on a subject matter she finds offensive (or just uninteresting)?

Any business that's open to the public should serve all members of the public. This means restaurants serve anyone, bakeries sell cakes to anyone who comes into the store, clothing stores sell to anyone selecting an item from the rack. And, in the case of a bakery, if the bakery has an advertised list of pre-defined things they'll put on a cake, they should put any of those things on a cake for anyone who requests it.

Creative and custom work for hire; however, should always be at the discretion of the person performing the work for hire. The scope of the work is immaterial, be it a novel, a painting, or words on a cake.

Refusing to perform creative work that's personally offensive is not at all the same as refusing to transact a retail sale or refusing restaurant service. Equating them misses the point entirely.

Great analysis. Agreed wholeheartedly.

 

[sirozha]

You are correct.
Free speech as defined in the United States allows the most offensive and vile speech to be used. It protects no one from hate, discomfort or being offended.

When you limit speech in any way you have destroyed the idea of freedom.

What liberals don’t understand is when you allow the most nasty speech to exist people see it and reject it. When you force it underground you get people curious and extend its reach.

I don’t care what the US constitution allows. Hate speech existed before the US constitution was written, and it has existed all over the world. How does the US constitution have any bearing on hate speech?

 

[Raid]

Hate speech is like dealing with weeds, you do your best to pluck them out, spray them to dry up and shrivel out... but ignoring them is a sure way to get a lawn full of weeds.

I really wish we as a species had this thing that collected the entire world's knowledge and could be accessed by everyone and anyone. ...You know instead of the collective of misinformed opinions and outright B.S being told on the internet today.

But hey all this egocentric one-up-manship is better than acutally coming to a factual conclusion isn't it?

 

[AlexGraphicD]

It’s not a human being before it comes out of the mother’s body? What is the fetus? Is it a collection of cells? No brain? No nervous system? Do they get “activated” as soon as the fetus passes the birth canal? At exactly what moment does a fetus become a child?

How old are you? Have you read any scientific information on this?

You obviously don’t have kids. They show you the hands, the feet, the face, etc. when you are an expectant parent. You can see the child live on the TV monitor. They play the heartbeat to you. The child recognizes the mother’s voice. The child gets scared of loud noises. The child kicks the mother. The child listens to the voices and the music and reacts to them. In fact, it’s recommended to play classical music to the fetus for brain development. There are special belts with speakers that women can wear to play music to the child who is in the womb.

If the mother is killed, the child can survive and be delivered alive and live his life to the fullest.

To say that a child inside the woman’s body is not a human being is the most ignorant thing to say. I feel sorry for you because of the indoctrination that you have been subjected to. I can’t believe people like you actually exist. People who can justify murdering little helpless human beings because the woman screwed around and didn’t bother to take precautions not to get pregnant.

Controlling one’s body means taking preventative measures not to get pregnant when you can’t resist the animal instincts. It doesn’t mean the right to murder little human beings inside of your body.

Sadly, people like this exist. And they care more about “words” and “feelings” about “minorities” instead of little babies in the womb. And they pretend to be more humane than the right wingers. Totally bonkers.

 

[Solver]

If we eliminate all wrong thought, we can create Utopia.
/s

 

[bsolar]

It is not a human being before it comes out of mothers body.

This is debatable and many consider "viability" enough to consider a fetus a full fledged human being even before birth.

Therefore, it does not have rights, it cannot be treat as a human.

This is incorrect.

Fetal rights are the moral rights or legal rights of the human fetus under natural and civil law.
[...]
the fetus is granted various rights in the constitutions and civil codes of several countries.

 

[Ploki]

Because everyone is born free: nobody needs a smug overbearing person to tell then "they are now free (with my permission)"

except if you are born into a group opressed by a majority.
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The problem is, he is using Apple as his soapbox, and in doing so alienating half the population. That will affect sales.

His job as CEO of Apple is to run the business, not virtue signaling or political grandstanding.

What he does as a private citizen is not at issue here. It’s the fact that he is acting in his capacity as CEO.

its okay, people dont have nearly enough principles
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My point is that, almost always whenever the media or the liberals and leftists like Timmy are “spewing hate” against the right wing ideology and demonize it, they never mention the horrors and the dangers of the opposite ideology. It’s only Nazis and Hitler that have supposedly committed horrors.
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Great analysis. Agreed wholeheartedly.

what? tim and “leftists” afaik spoke against hate speech, not right wing ideology. pretty sure right wing ideology is allowed on apple platform - frankly apple being ultracapitalistic is pretty much right up right wing’s alley.

also, why does he need to mention stalin? is there a movement supporting gulags in USA im not aware of? or if you criticize right you must somehow also criticize the left so “its fair”?! sometimes a poltical ideology is just more wrong that the other one from a humanist perspective. right now, USA is all wrong, PCness is ridiculous and xenophobia is rampant - haopy to be in euroe

hate speech is illegal, apple doesnt need to support it.

by claiming there’s a left wing agenda at work YOU are actually the one equating cinservativism with xenophobia... not me. i’m against xenophobia, discrimination and X supremacy. thats not left or right, its just being a decent human being

 

[AlexGraphicD]

except if you are born into a group opressed by a majority

I fail to see how a “minority” group is being oppressed by a majority just because it is considered “minority”.
Can you give me specific examples of minorities ever being oppressed in the western world just bevause they were a minority?

 

[unobtainium]

And Apple-Drones once again proving they are more than willing to allow a corporation to tell them what they are allowed to think.
This used to be the subject matter of dystopian sci-fi movies. Now its welcomed as long as its wrapped in a shiny 'space gray' aluminum package.

Also, suddenly I'm alt-right because I disagree? Such tolerance.
[doublepost=1543942815][/doublepost]

Really? Private entities banning white supremacy on their property used to be “the subject matter of dystopian sci-go movies”? I think you might be confused.

Glad to see you're not painting with a broad brush there kid.

Eh, just telling the truth.

 

[BlazednSleepy]

You sound like every Obama supporter. Taking credit for an economy he didn’t create. Ironic things picked up economically after Obama left office. He couldn’t get the economy moving past a crawl because he expanded government and regulated to oblivion. Take off the revisionist glasses. Obama was literally a fabricated poster child of the progressive left. The man came out of nowhere and gave a speech at the 2004 DNC, then was elected as a senator representing one of the most corrupt ill-run districts in Illinois (or even the country), voted present majority of the time, and convinced the country that making a hard left politically would the ‘hope and change’ we needed. He’s a fraud.

Can you provide actual facts as to why you’re so convinced that it was it somehow Trump that “saved” our economy in less than a year after Obama? Actual facts and not just regurgitated republican propaganda that you keep spewing? Last I checked, our economy is doing well, but our wages are at an all time low and the federal deficit is at an all time high. Good luck.

 

[unobtainium]

Women killing children in their wombs is not women making decisions about their bodies. It is women killing children in their wombs.
A decision about their bodies should be made BEFORE children develop inside their wombs.

Nah. Anybody can decide at any time that they don't want someone else attached to or inside of their body. Give me a break. It's your body, you don't have to host someone else inside your body if you decide not to.

If you disagree, I'll come surgically attach myself to you for nine months and accuse you of murder if you try to detach me.

 

[qtx43]

Final straw. Was emotionally hanging on to a once great company. But, barring some drastic change, I will never buy another Apple product. I'm through.

 

[BlazednSleepy]

Final straw. Was emotionally hanging on to a once great company. But, barring some drastic change, I will never buy another Apple product. I'm through.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[qtx43]

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Don't worry, I'll be fine. It's the future and people in thrall to a political monoculture that I'm concerned about. Nearly absolute right to free political speech, and the ability to use it easily and effectively, is an essential characteristic of Western Civilization.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Can you provide actual facts as to why you’re so convinced that it was it somehow Trump that “saved” our economy in less than a year after Obama? Actual facts and not just regurgitated republican propaganda that you keep spewing? Last I checked, our economy is doing well, but our wages are at an all time low and the federal deficit is at an all time high. Good luck.

“Actual facts”? The guy said himself during a speech pre elections, that “jobs are not coming back! What is he going to do? Use a magic wand?”
Straight out of his mouth!

Nah. Anybody can decide at any time that they don't want someone else attached to or inside of their body. Give me a break. It's your body, you don't have to host someone else inside your body if you decide not to.

If you disagree, I'll come surgically attach myself to you for nine months and accuse you of murder if you try to detach me.

You sir, are truly misanthropic and devoid of emotions if you’re talking seriously. But let me guess, you are a justice warrior when it comes to immigrant families “getting separated on the borders because you feel sorry about little children crying.

 

[BlazednSleepy]

Don't worry, I'll be fine. It's the future and people in thrall to a political monoculture that I'm concerned about. Nearly absolute right to free political speech, and the ability to use it easily and effectively, is an essential characteristic of Western Civilization.

Good luck with Android then lol

 

[qtx43]

Good luck with Android then lol

Everybody's got to have priorities. Good luck with yours.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Atheists also spew hate speech against Christianity and they hurt our feelings when they mocking our faith. Should we cry and call them Nazis and demand they are shut down from all platforms or something? Timmy would never speak or talk against that type of “hate speech”. His morals are limited only to his leftist ideology and agenda driven activism.