Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'

[CarlJ]

So when does the statute of limitations begin for hate based on what happened in the past?
We actually have good relations with Vietnam now because their leaders were smart enough to realize that the past shouldn't color the present.

We didn't have good relations with Vietnam for the decade after we left their country. Yes, we have good relations with them now. It's been 40 years since we stopped dropping bombs there.

It isn't that the US did one bad thing in the Middle East 70 years ago, we've done a continuing string of bad things there for many decades, both covert and overt. We've still got troops in the area. How many troops from Middle Eastern countries are stationed in the US "to keep the peace and look after their concerns here"? You mess with someone long enough, over years and years, and they'll bring up their children believing that you are unrepentantly evil - that gives you an entire generation to deal with. Eventually everyone there "knows" you're unrepentantly evil. That's going to take a long time to wear off.

I have no love for terrorists - people who kill civilians to spread terror should be dealt with quickly and "with extreme prejudice". But that's a very specific, focused thing, not carte blanche to start making any changes we see fit, to entire governments in the area. We had a lot of sympathy and support from the world in the wake of 9/11, but president Bush p*ssed that all away, capitalizing on American anger towards terrorists that had come from the Middle East, and parlaying some trumped up charges about WMDs (our intelligence community was telling him the rumors were bunk, but that's not what he wanted to hear), into a full-scale takeover of Iraq. But we didn't bring enough forces for a full-scale occupation, because the neocons insisted we'd be welcomed with open arms as liberators. So that degenerated into a huge lengthy deadly mess. And a lot of civilians got killed in the crossfire. And for every one civilian killed, there were a dozen relatives who saw us as the reason for that death, and hated us for it. Doesn't matter that Saddam was a bad man, and was killing some of his own people, by coming from far away into their part of the world and invading a sovereign nation who had not attacked us, we made sure _we_ were the bad guys in the eyes of an awful lot of people there.

 

[jlc1978]

How utterly absurd. I would urge anybody thinking of visiting America in the near future to simply not bother. Forcing people to submit their social media activity? How is that even enforceable?

USCIS agents have a lot more latitude at the border than police have once you cross it; for example they can conduct warrantless searches. Separate from the specific idea of getting social media giving border agents broad authority makes sense as governments do have a compelling interest in securing border. How that is done is a whole nother topic...

 

[truthertech]

First you assume that a statement of facts represents a position. As I pointed out, the key difference, despite many trying to equate the two, is one was voluntary and stated refusal would not be a reason to deny entry while the other stated refusal could be used to deny entry.



First I'd say we certainly need to have a good vetting process and a reasonable discussion on how that works. Second, we need to end the easy access to weapons in this country; why should anyone be able to get a weapon without going through a stringent vetting process to ensure they do not have nefarious intent? Shouldn't we check their social media posts to see if the plan on murdering Americans and slaughtering kids. Surely if you agree it's important in the former case how can you tell them it's not in the latter? After all, many of the terrorist acts in the US were committed by citizens who purchased a weapon that they used in the attack with only a minimal vetting. Checking social media when the San Bernardino killer bought them may have saved many lives as well. Isn't that a good place to make America Safe Again?

So, to sum it up, you'd never have the nerve to tell them why you oppose a foreigner screening policy that would have made it possible to stop the killer of their husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends and loved ones, and children. I get it that you wouldn't want to face them and admit to favoring the "privacy" of foreign non-citizens from certain countries, including those who are would be terrorists over the lives of their loved ones, citizens or not, but when you won't stand up for what you believe, it should be a warning sign to you that something is amiss.

 

[MaulRx]

DOJ telling their people not to try and defend the order in court.

Hmm

 

[swester]

DOJ telling their people not to try and defend the order in court.

Hmm

I don't think in modern American history we've ever experienced a more fascinating few weeks, at least as far as inter-branch drama goes. Certainly not since Watergate.

How does this end? At what point do the sane members of government step in and put an end to this sad excuse for a chief executive?

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump will eventually have his brief Presidency to add to his exceptional list of business failures, bankruptcies and failed marriages. Hopefully it'll be brought on by something bad enough that Bannon will also be implicated and end up behind bars too.

 

[MaulRx]

I don't think in modern American history we've ever experienced a more fascinating few weeks, at least as far as inter-branch drama goes. Certainly not since Watergate.

How does this end? At what point does the government step in and put an end to this sad excuse for a chief executive?

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump will eventually have his brief Presidency to add to his exceptional list of business failures, bankruptcies and failed marriages.

It ends with another Saturday Night Massacre(this particular battle that is). The acting AG is an Obama appointee.

 

[Snoopy4]

I don't think in modern American history we've ever experienced a more fascinating few weeks, at least as far as inter-branch drama goes. Certainly not since Watergate.

How does this end? At what point do the sane members of government step in and put an end to this sad excuse for a chief executive?

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump will eventually have his brief Presidency to add to his exceptional list of business failures, bankruptcies and failed marriages. Hopefully it'll be brought on by something bad enough that Bannon will also be implicated and end up behind bars too.

Fortunately, you'll be sadly disappointed.

 

[swester]

Fortunately, you'll be sadly disappointed.

By how long it'll take to undo his incoherent nonsense once he and his alcoholic Rasputin sidekick are thankfully removed from office?

Nah, I'm expecting that to happen pretty quickly once we have some adults back in charge, who have a college-level vocabulary and a more...human-like skin tone.

 

[MaulRx]

By how long it'll take to undo his incoherent nonsense once he and his alcoholic Rasputin sidekick are thankfully removed from office?

Nah, I'm expecting that to happen pretty quickly once we have some adults back in charge, who have a college-level vocabulary and a more...human-like skin tone.

An invoking of the 25th and\or a resignation are more likely than an impeachment and conviction.

 

[jlc1978]

So, to sum it up, you'd never have the nerve to tell them why you oppose a foreigner screening policy that would have made it possible to stop the killer of their husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends and loved ones, and children. I get it that you wouldn't want to face them and admit to favoring the "privacy" of foreign non-citizens from certain countries, including those who are would be terrorists over the lives of their loved ones, citizens or not, but when you won't stand up for what you believe, it should be a warning sign to you that something is amiss.

There you go again. I said nothing of the kind, in fact I stated a vetting process is appropriate but you conveniently ignored that in building your straw man.

I take it your ducking my question to you is because you are afraid to admit you think it is ok to not to vet gun purchasers and their family members needed to die because letting crazy people, who happen to be in the US already, unfettered ability to buy guns is more important than having a sane vetting process to stop terrorist attacks.

 

[jwhitnah]

Apple CEO Tim Cook today sent an email to employees speaking out against the immigration executive order that United States President Donald Trump signed yesterday afternoon. In the letter, shared with MacRumors by an Apple employee, Cook says Trump's order is "not a policy we support."

Cook goes on to say that Apple's HR, Legal and Security teams are in contact with all Apple employees who are affected, and he says Apple has "reached out" to the White House to "explain the negative effect" on the company. Cook's full letter is below:Cook's letter addresses the immigration executive order signed by Trump on Friday, which suspends entry of all refugees to the United States for a total of 120 days, bans Syrian refugees for an indeterminate amount of time, and blocks citizens of seven countries (Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen) from entering the United States for 90 days. The order has left immigrants stranded at airports around the country and has sparked panic and outrage among tech companies with affected employees.

The letter comes after Cook spent a week in Washington, where he met with Utah senator Orrin Hatch to discuss the economy and tech industry and had dinner with Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. While Cook did not meet with President Trump during the trip, back in December, he and several other tech leaders like Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk sat down with Trump to discuss a range of topics including trade and immigration.

Though Apple has butted heads with Trump over the past few months after Trump suggested he would force the company to build its products in the United States instead of overseas, Cook explained to employees that he attended the summit to "influence these issues" because "being on the sideline" is not "a successful place to be."

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Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'

Focus more on innovative products and software, less on activism. Line up is really really weak. Or just shut up.

 

[truthertech]

There you go again. I said nothing of the kind, in fact I stated a vetting process is appropriate but you conveniently ignored that in building your straw man.

I take it your ducking my question to you is because you are afraid to admit you think it is ok to not to vet gun purchasers and their family members needed to die because letting crazy people, who happen to be in the US already, unfettered ability to buy guns is more important than having a sane vetting process to stop terrorist attacks.

I think you are confused. I favor stringent vetting of gun purchasers for criminal history, mental health issues, etc. You however, seem to be uncertain with your view of President Trump's contemplated vetting program regarding social media, etc. You started off attacking it, which started this thread, but now you seem to be backtracking, do you now support it?

 

[dragje]

Focus more on innovative products and software, less on activism. Line up is really really weak. Or just shut up.

It doesn't help to get hysterical about this. Tim Cook has the right, like everyone else to give his opinion, so for your informatio, if you still didn't got it, Cook will not "shut up" and you don't have the authority, an understatement I may add, to state otherwise. Deal with it.

 

[pearvsapple]

Tim Cook Is Not a CEO We Support.

 

[dragje]

That doesn't fit fake narrative that Trump is a fascist dictator/Nazi so...

He sure fits the description, but for that you need to understand the meaning of a fascist leader. Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.

- nationalism: America first
- closing borders based on nationality and religion
- wNting to questioning foreign visitors for their online social information, so if you are a foreigner wanting to visit America you better write Trump is nice on your facebook
- intentionally creating chaos within the society in order to create controversy.
- intentionally creating falsehoods that you're protecting America while the fact of the matter is that the amount of people been killed by muslims from these banned countries on American ground is zero from data provided from 1975 until 2015.

with al that chaos you can dismiss people not willing to follow and replace them with people, those that will just cary out your orders without questioning them.

It is nothing new, the romans did it quite often in the past.

I find it amusing that Trump is closing the borders of countries where people coming from these countries are responsible for zero American casualties while some muslims from countries like S. Arabia which is not on the list have killed thousands of Americans on American ground.

But the most amazing thing would be seeing you taking the bite, you falling for such clueless policy due lack of know how.
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Tim Cook Is Not a CEO We Support.

We? You're quoting Gollum?

 

[wigby]

From Day 1 of his election campaigning he said that Muslims were out ... how much clearer than that do you need it?

Where did I say that reality TV hosts weren't transparent? As always, the problem with reality TV are the viewers/voters, not the "stars".

 

[truthertech]

He sure fits the description, but for that you need to understand the meaning of a fascist leader. Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.

- nationalism: America first
- closing borders based on nationality and religion
- wNting to questioning foreign visitors for their online social information, so if you are a foreigner wanting to visit America you better write Trump is nice on your facebook
- intentionally creating chaos within the society in order to create controversy.
- intentionally creating falsehoods that you're protecting America while the fact of the matter is that the amount of people been killed by muslims from these banned countries on American ground is zero from data provided from 1975 until 2015.

with al that chaos you can dismiss people not willing to follow and replace them with people, those that will just cary out your orders without questioning them.

It is nothing new, the romans did it quite often in the past.

I find it amusing that Trump is closing the borders of countries where people coming from these countries are responsible for zero American casualties while some muslims from countries like S. Arabia which is not on the list have killed thousands of Americans on American ground.

But the most amazing thing would be seeing you taking the bite, you falling for such clueless policy due lack of know how.
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We? You're quoting Gollum?

It's fascinating that someone from the Netherlands would so falsely and inaccurately and carelessly use the "fascism" label simply because you disagree with someone. After all, you arein a country that bravely declared "neutrality" but still got invaded by Hitler and then had the documented greatest amount of collaboration with the Nazi's. But despite that, today there are thousands of graves on your soil from the brave American and other Allied soldiers who came to your aid and died freeing you from fascism.

Maybe you have our two countries confused because we haven't closed any borders at all as you falsely allege. We've temporarily suspended immigration from seven countries, the same ones that "fascist" President Obama recommended be restricted, and it was President Obama who suggested and started asking for social media information prior to President Trump even being elected, but don't let facts get in your way of your anti-American tirade. Meanwhile, President Trump has raised overall immigration from Middle East countries to higher levels than some previous administrations had set. America takes more immigrants than anyone else has, and contributes more to foreign aid than everyone else combined, but thanks for coming on and bashing our country with your false claims.

Well I will let you go, as I am sure you may be inspired to reflect on the thousands of Americans buried in the Netherlands who died freeing you from a true Nazi.

 

[dragje]

It's fascinating that someone from the Netherlands would so falsely and inaccurately and carelessly use the "fascism" label simply because you disagree with someone.

It has less to do with not agreeing with Trump. it's more a simple conclusion on what he has done so far and seems to be doing in the near future. I've no issues with label things for what they are based on policy provided by the people in charge.

If you discriminate people based on ethnic nationality and religion then it's been called discrimination. It's not rocket science.

After all, you arein a country that bravely declared "neutrality" but still got invaded by Hitler and then had the documented greatest amount of collaboration with the Nazi's.

True, but here is the difference. It's 2016, not 1940. The current Dutch government doesn't conduct fascism but fascism as a terminology does exist and the current Trump administration shows most of it's ingredients. In short, we are talking about Trump his administration and policies which clearly resembles aspects belonging to the term fascism as describe in my previous post.

But despite that, today there are thousands of graves on your soil from the brave American and other Allied soldiers who came to your aid and died freeing you from fascism.

That's called sophism. Again, what American's have done in the past is not relevant for the policies conducted today.

Maybe you have our two countries confused because we haven't closed any borders at all as you falsely allege. We've temporarily suspended immigration from seven countries, the same ones that "fascist" President Obama recommended be restricted, and it was President Obama who suggested and started asking for social media information prior to President Trump even being elected, but don't let facts get in your way

Talking about facts, borders are closed for many people from those banned countries, they are not allowed to enter America, do you watch the news? And please stay on topic, this is about Trump and his policies, not about Obama which might suggested some of the policies but didn't put it in practise and that is the reality people are dealing with today. The discussion is not about what (a) former president(s) might have or might not have done. It's 2016, not 1940, it's Trump where we are talking about, not Obama and the subject of Nazi's is quite irrelevant.

of your anti-American tirade.

On the contrary, I've got many American friends (who agree on my view by the way) and I love America. The continent has much to offer, great nature, impressive looking metropolis cities, amazing art collections. I;ve nothing against American's. So anti-American tirade? That's your emotions talking here, just because I hit a sensitive nerve.

Meanwhile, President Trump has raised overall immigration from Middle East countries to higher levels than some previous administrations had set. America takes more immigrants than anyone else has, and contributes more to foreign aid than everyone else combined, but thanks for coming on and bashing our country with your false claims.

Again, this is your emotion talking. If you could take a deep breath and start thinking rationally then I can asure you that i've got nothing against American's in general. As stated before, I've got many American friends; including clients. I just criticising Trump and the people around him responsible for the, in my eyes, unconstitutional measures they take. And I simply conclude that this government resembles much of where fascism stands for, nothing more nothing less.
Trump is not the same as what 'all the American's' think or stand for. On the contrary, as for now it seems that chaos erupts nationwide and the resistance is growing each day; in 'huge' numbers I may add which is a good thing.

Well I will let you go, as I am sure you may be inspired to reflect on the thousands of Americans buried in the Netherlands who died freeing you from a true Nazi.

You could come up with a Godwin's law to make any reasonable discussion impossible, a.k.a trolling, but for your information 'Nazi's' didn't patent the term fascism, you know that right? Fascism is as old as the Roman empire and even older. Didn't you got any History class? It seems to me that you don't understand where the term fascism is about since you only keep referring to WWII which is called Godwin's law. I suggest you take a look in history and study on the meaning of the term fascism. You'll then find out that the term fascism is not bound to what Nazi's did at the time. Good luck!

 

[tatonka]

This entire weekend was driven by a false narrative by a compliant media. How many times did we hear 300 or more people were held only to find it was 100? #fakenewsfromtheleft

I know right. Media is in hysteria mode these days and I find that just as stupid and quite frankly damaging to their on cause/agenda. The difference is, I know and am able to admit that, where you still claim Trump won the popular vote or such things which is an even more obvious fake or narrative.

- it's when people can't tell the difference between newspaper opinions presented as fact, and actual facts;

That is exactly what I am saying too .. open your eyes and stop blindly believing everything on these "independent" news websites. They do have an agenda too and the are spinning the stories just as much or more than old fashioned news outlets do.
How can you possibly defend Trump winning the popular vote or stuff like that and then complain about people taking news at face value from a source when there is not the slightest shred of evidence?

 

[Snoopy4]

I know right. Media is in hysteria mode these days and I find that just as stupid and quite frankly damaging to their on cause/agenda. The difference is, I know and am able to admit that, where you still claim Trump won the popular vote or such things which is an even more obvious fake or narrative.

Lol. Where did I claim he won the popular vote? Do tell.

 

[jlc1978]

I think you are confused. I favor stringent vetting of gun purchasers for criminal history, mental health issues, etc. You however, seem to be uncertain with your view of President Trump's contemplated vetting program regarding social media, etc. You started off attacking it, which started this thread, but now you seem to be backtracking, do you now support it?

Your are confusing think what Trump did was stupid, ineffective, and counterproductive with being against rational and effective border controls. As for social media checks, yes I think it is stupid and a waste of time and money better spent elsewhere. Any threat with half a brain can create two accounts, one the I love America which they turn over and the far more sinister. I also pointed out the fallacy in saying he did the same thing as Obama; as well as Trump's banned list doesn't include countries whose citizens actually committed terrorist attacks.

Since you support gun control; are in favor of social media checks should that be part of the vetting process there as well?

 

[tatonka]

If you stepped outside your house, or traveled anywhere in the United States during the Election, you'd know there is absolutely no way Trump lost the popular vote. This is another fudged statistic perpetrated by the MSM, just like "Hillary's polls are X amount higher, she will win by a landslide!" and other gas lighting the media tried to do during the election.

Once you start to realize that the Main Stream Media is a cover for a false narrative for the elites, and that independent news is actually the real news, all these revelations will come to you. (This has nothing to do with Republican vs Democrat, fyi).

This. People should probably wake up. The MSM has zero objectivity anymore..

Lol. Where did I claim he won the popular vote? Do tell.

I had interpreted your agreement with the quoted post as agreement with this part of the original post as well. Apologies if that was not the case.

The rest of the argument still stands though. The "independent" news outlets are not more real or bias free and they do claim a lot of fabricated stories too. The popular vote was one example of such obvious narratives.

 

[Snoopy4]

I had interpreted your agreement with the quoted post as agreement with this part of the original post as well. Apologies if that was not the case.

The rest of the argument still stands though. The "independent" news outlets are not more real or bias free and they do claim a lot of fabricated stories too. The popular vote was one example of such obvious narratives.

I was referring the the last paragraph and media objectivity. I have repeatedly pointed to the electoral process for the numbskulls in the room.

All media has an objective, however, the MSM which we have depended on for so long to bring us factual unbiased news is utterly repulsive these days. They have no shame. They are the primary reason (aside from Hillary being completely unlikeable) because we all sat here and watched the Obama hero worship for eight years. I mean seriously, did they not think we'd notice?

 

[Precision Gem]

it's a political issue that negatively hurts his employees which is probably why he's coming out against it.

I wonder how many of the Syrian refuges are currently Apple employees?

 

[milo]

Why why is a temporary freeze on immigration to properly inspect the vetting process a problem?

Because it's not just a freeze on immigration. It blocks people here legally with visas or green cards from returning to the country. On Saturday there even were a few US citizens blocked from returning from those countries.

And it sounds like some of the people detained may be Apple employees.
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I wonder how many of the Syrian refuges are currently Apple employees?

Are you aware of the details at all? Far more were blocked than Syrian refugees. Seven countries, and people already living legally in the USA with visas or green cards. People granted permission to be here and live here.