109 people were detained. What is the chance that one of them was an Apple Employee? About as good of chance you you finding AirPods at your local Apple Store today. Tim should focus on his products!
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Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'
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He didn't say they were detained. If he has employees from those countries, they can't go back to visit family who are still there. That effects the employees. Many many more people are effected beyond the ones already detained.
Well, since the planet has 7 billion people on it, and there were 109 people detained what are the odds that some of these are Apple employees? Pretty slim I would think. Worse odds than buying a lottery ticket.
Apparently that was a "misunderstanding" of the EO and has been fixed. Separate from what he did I have a problem with how he did it. Shooting from the hip, not consulting agencies, blaming others and presenting alternate facts are not a way to run a government. It just causes you to lurch from crisis to crisis and sows confusion and doubt domestically and abroad. As president, Trump apparently thinks he can simply say "do this" and people will do it and any problems can be cleaned up later, and is finding out that is not the case.
You mean, like Obama was wholly unsuitable and woefully unqualified?
Apparently they've removed green cards from the ban, giving in to political pressure, but visas are still included.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...op-table-main_factchecker-645a:homepage/story
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...op-table-main_factchecker-645a:homepage/story
No, not in that right-wing, fairy-tale way.
We've moved on to the actual, malevolent, mentally ill form of "wholly unsuitable and woefully unqualified", but with extra "Woe".
I wonder how many Apple employee's have relatives in one of these 7 countries, and were planning on visiting them in the next 90 days. These would also need to be Apple employees in the USA who currently don't have the proper paperwork to be here and working. Tim if full of crap on this one.
I think since it was said during his campaign people didn't think it would happen.
Then when it happened they seemed shocked that he carried through with it.
Bzzzzzzzt.
Nope, the ban includes people living here with legitimate visas. That's the whole point of why people are so appalled by this ban. Seriously, have you even gone to the trouble of learning the details of it before commenting on it? It initially also included green cards (again, people given permission to legally be here) but they dropped that one after the huge backlash.
But hey, at least this time you actually read my post.
No, not like that at all. Obama had plenty of relevant political experience. You know - things like more than a decade as State and US Senator.
Why, did you think he just rocked up to the White House in 08 with no relevant experience?
Or are you suggesting he was unsuitable for other reasons?
In which case, by all means share....
This is satire, right? All these emotions, get a grib.
First of all, this is about Trump, not about Amsterdam, or Nazi's, or Hitler germany. And everything is fine here in Amsterdam, a city that by no means is slowly "torn apart" which is hilarious to even suggest
The unemployment rate, for your information, in Holland is one of the lowest in Europe, Holland is often named in various top ten list of countries in the world where people are the most happy ones. I can assure you that everything is fine in Holland. The freedom people have in Holland is unprecedented, just see for yourself where the international press worldwide is placing Holland on the list and look at where America is at the moment: https://rsf.org/en/ranking it's troublesome.That doesn't mean that Holland doesn't has his own demagogue like Trump. We also have such an idiot clown politician, excuse my French. He's called Wilders who has strong emotions concerning Moslims, he's irrational, emotional disturbed and shows signs of narcism and paranoid behavior, just like your president. But god-thanks Holland has a political system in which parties are forced to work together. There is a term for this called consensus politics, meaning that part A wants this, party B wants that and party C wants something else. They come together and work it out. Like adults do when they have an argument and so should politicians behave. Not by fire people who criticize you, not by dragging him or her to court when there is a disagreement, like Trump often does.
So yeah, I've more reasons to get worried about the American society compared with Holland. The amount of people being killed by firearms used by civilians in America for example is staggering, there is no Muslim terrorist in the world that comes even close to the amount of unnecessary innocent deaths caused by civilians using firearms; oh do you taste the irony with keeping America safe from Muslims? Or the amount of people that are suffering from skyrocketing debts due of lack of insurances. Due lack of a social and insurance system in American millions are forced into poverty with almost no way to break out of it. In many European countries you get at least proper care when you get ill, in my country the majority of the people have insurance, it's the law to have an insurance, and when you get fired after years of work you can count on social welfare.
So, with all do respect, for someone who 'claims' to have a history major you show a disturbing lack of knowledge about Europe.
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Signal boosting just for the link.. "only 109 people were detained!" We know for a fact that is untrue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ple-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000
Its weird to see people cast aside both first hand reports from the ground from lawyers, those involved, the public AND the media... Accusing the narrative of being false - and accepting ANYTHING Spencer/Trump are saying as fact.
How do people get that scarily blinkered? We aren't supposed to be able to choose the reality that's most appealing. There are facts involved.
I completely disagree. It was clear that if the constitution didn't explicitly "say" the federal gov. could do it than the fed. gov. was not to do it. Promote meant that the fed. gov. was to create an environment in which it could be done by the public and provide meant that it was to be done by the fed. gov. Having the power to and the authority to are two different things entirely.
SCOTUS clearly disagrees with you. I'll take their learned opinion over yours.
More to the point, the Constitution includes the ability to enact laws that do just that, or else the whole clause would be toothless. Our founding fathers clearly understood the importance of that or would not have included it, although there has been much debate over Hamilton's and Madison's view of its expanse.
The Constitution says "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States…" Since it says provide that would give them taxation power to do so and that is what it did; or, as you said "provide meant that it was to be done by the fed. gov."
Over time the Hamiltonian view has prevaled and thus challenges to laws were based on violations of Constitutional limits on Congress and not the general welfare clause. For example, the mandatory funding of contraception violated the First and it was overturned but not the entire law.
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This is satire, right? All these emotions, get a grib.
First of all, this is about Trump, not about Amsterdam, or Nazi's, or Hitler germany. And everything is fine here in Amsterdam, a city that by no means is slowly "torn apart" which is hilarious to even suggest
That doesn't mean that Holland doesn't has his own demagogue like Trump. We also have such an idiot clown politician, excuse my French. He's called Wilders who has strong emotions concerning Moslims, he's irrational, emotional disturbed and shows signs of narcism and paranoid behavior, just like your president. But god-thanks Holland has a political system in which parties are forced to work together. There is a term for this called consensus politics, meaning that part A wants this, party B wants that and party C wants something else. They come together and work it out. Like adults do when they have an argument and so should politicians behave. Not by fire people who criticize you, not by dragging him or her to court when there is a disagreement, like Trump often does.
So yeah, I've more reasons to get worried about the American society compared with Holland. The amount of people being killed by firearms used by civilians in America for example is staggering, there is no Muslim terrorist in the world that comes even close to the amount of unnecessary innocent deaths caused by civilians using firearms; oh do you taste the irony with keeping America safe from Muslims? Or the amount of people that are suffering from skyrocketing debts due of lack of insurances. Due lack of a social and insurance system in American millions are forced into poverty with almost no way to break out of it. In many European countries you get at least proper care when you get ill, in my country the majority of the people have insurance, it's the law to have an insurance, and when you get fired after years of work you can count on social welfare.
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Thanks, but we don't need your worry, and no matter how you try to deny it, your country's left wing problems are tearing it apart. Here's what President Obama's State Department said about just one of the many significant problems that your open borders approach is causing (indeed,it's still the current warning ), and maybe something you could work on if you didn't have your nose in other countries' affairs, telling us about all of our problems as you see it. Many more problems than this, but I think you get the point.
"The Netherlands is a source, destination, and transit country for men, women, and children subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically forced prostitution and forced labor. A significant number of underage Dutch residents continued to be subjected to sex trafficking in the country."
Well, they still voted heavily blue in the last election. 2/3 of voters in Minneapolis voted democrat in the 2016 election, so maybe not as unhappy as you think.
I agree. There is absolutely no room for racists and hypocrites.
Sadly, the entire election was a "Misunderstanding".
Here's an H.L. Mencken quote that a friend of mine was kind enough to pass on, seems quite prescient:
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
And while we're at it:
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx
And finally, in a nod to dragje's Avatar:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Isaac Asimov
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You wtote: " ...but I think you get the point."
Oh, but I sure do get it.
I get it that you are trying to turn the discussion into a simplistic 'we versus you' discussion ever since I criticized Trump. I get it that you, due lack of arguments, feel somewhat emotional bound to go off-topic about Holland with hilarious statements just because someone is criticizing 'your' president Trump.
I get it that you clearly have no idea where you are talking about when you talk about Holland.
Let me explain why.
You're stating that the supposedly 'left wing problems' is tearing Holland apart. But open borders and social welfare are no entities, neither are prohibited gun ownership, freedom of press and equal rights for people, no matter their believes. These fundemental principles have no political agenda, or thoughts for themselves and are neither bound to political 'left' or 'right' beliefs. They are just part of a wide spread consensus, among left and right politicias, that humans deserve some level of dignity and freedom without having to worry to much about loosing their jobs so they end up poor on the streats or getting massive debts due of illness and high hospital bills, or being harrased symply because someone is a man or a girl and loves his or her partner of the same sex, or having to worry about visiting their loved ones or friends abroad due of closed borders...
Does this means that the Dutch society or Europe in particularly doesn't have any problems? No, of course not. We are humans dealing with the same flaws which you can find in every society; discrimination, fear, greed, anger, you name it. And even though it's simply impossible to abandon all of these flaws, and many others I may add, you could start by at least "trying" to make life much easier for people in general. By controlling prostitution for example, which you mentioned in your post, so that even where there are woman forced in the sex industry, which happens all over the world including the VS, the majority can -> legally <- do their jobs freely and willingly in the sex industry where they are save and being protected and even pay their taxes. And why not? It's after all the oldest existing job in the world.
So, you can call all this a 'left wing' problem or name it anything you want, but as long people in general, in any given society, benefit from: welfare, affordable education, open borders, freedom of press and freedom of expression without having to worry about being dragged into court, freedom of marriage with someone you love despite if he or she is of the same sex, and where there are hardly any deaths due of firearms, and the list goes on and on, then by all means go ahead. Just remember that these values are not as bad as you might think and that these values do help people in general despite what their believes are.
And lastly, before you're starting to criticize the supposedly 'left wing values', do know that Holland didn't had a left wing gorvernment in charge since the eighties from the last century. In other words, do your homework next time.
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