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Apple CEO Tim Cook Plans to Host Fundraiser for Hillary Clinton Next Month
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When I see posts like this (this is just an example of many on this thread) it makes me want to just stop visiting Macrumors. The idiocy of some peoples' logic is astounding.
Steve Jobs didn’t like Obama and likely wouldn’t have held a fundraiser for Hillary.
I can’t prove it but I think that Steve was who blocked Obama implementing his illegal spying program PRISM from being plugged into Apple. Because Apple began ‘participating’ in Obama’s illegal spying only a full year after Steve’s death. That suggests Tim Cook was too cowardly to resist.
Steve cared greatly for the privacy rights of Apple users and would probably have continued to fight Obama’s regime on its illegal spying attempts if he had lived longer.
I bet Tim Cook won’t seek any assurances from Hillary that she will end Obama’s illegal spying on Apple users, such as through PRISM. Hillary will continue it and expand it, just like Obama continued and expanded Bush’s illegal spying and forced Apple to cooperate.
I want to know if Obama threatened Apple the same way Bush threatened Yahoo:
Obama and Hillary, along with Bush & Co., should be in prison for life.
I can’t prove it but I think that Steve was who blocked Obama implementing his illegal spying program PRISM from being plugged into Apple. Because Apple began ‘participating’ in Obama’s illegal spying only a full year after Steve’s death. That suggests Tim Cook was too cowardly to resist.
Steve cared greatly for the privacy rights of Apple users and would probably have continued to fight Obama’s regime on its illegal spying attempts if he had lived longer.
I bet Tim Cook won’t seek any assurances from Hillary that she will end Obama’s illegal spying on Apple users, such as through PRISM. Hillary will continue it and expand it, just like Obama continued and expanded Bush’s illegal spying and forced Apple to cooperate.
I want to know if Obama threatened Apple the same way Bush threatened Yahoo:
You think you’ve got bills? Government could have fined Yahoo trillions of dollars
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-have-fined-yahoo-trillions-of-dollars/
For an illuminating glimpse of government power in action, it’s hard to beat the fines the Justice Department threatened to level against Yahoo if it didn’t comply with a secret and sweeping surveillance request in 2008. News coverage of the case, for which documents were unsealed last week, reported the proposed fines as $250,000 a day. But there was also a clause that called for a doubling of the amount each week if Yahoo refused to comply. It was more than enough to bankrupt the company after just a few months.
Yahoo’s longtime outside counsel, Marc Zwillinger, who was lead attorney in the unsuccessful fight against the government’s data demand, calculated the cost of resistance at more than $25 million after the first month and $400 million in the second month. “And practically speaking,” Zwillinger noted in a blog post published Monday afternoon, “coercive civil fines means that the government would seek increased fines, with no ceiling, until Yahoo complied.”
The case was a foundational legal step in the government’s construction of PRISM, the surveillance program that gives NSA extensive access to records of online communications by users of Yahoo and other U.S.-based technology firms. What most bothered Yahoo was the lack of individual search warrants and court review for people outside the United States – something the company argued was required by the Fourth Amendment of the constitution.
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Had Yahoo continued resisting the government’s order while it made the appeal, the company never could have paid its legal bills – or anything else. The equivalent of Yahoo’s total revenue for 2008, a healthy $7.2 billion, would have been gone by end of the twelfth week. If the company could have somehow found the cash, it could have paid off the entire U.S. debt, about $9.5 trillion at the time, in the fifth month.
At the six month mark, the relentlessly doubling fine would have equaled $117 trillion. Depending on the calculation you use, the fine would have exceeded the total dollar value of the entire Earth itself (including economic assets and the physical value of the planet itself) in either the eighth or ninth month. And before the 10th month, the amount would have exceeded the dollar value of steel used in the (fictional) Death Star, as calculated by enterprising economics students at Lehigh University.
At the end of the year: the total would have been $7.9 sextillion. That’s equal to a stack of $100 bills (if that many actually existed) so high that it would go back and forth to the sun 28,769 times.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-have-fined-yahoo-trillions-of-dollars/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-have-fined-yahoo-trillions-of-dollars/
For an illuminating glimpse of government power in action, it’s hard to beat the fines the Justice Department threatened to level against Yahoo if it didn’t comply with a secret and sweeping surveillance request in 2008. News coverage of the case, for which documents were unsealed last week, reported the proposed fines as $250,000 a day. But there was also a clause that called for a doubling of the amount each week if Yahoo refused to comply. It was more than enough to bankrupt the company after just a few months.
Yahoo’s longtime outside counsel, Marc Zwillinger, who was lead attorney in the unsuccessful fight against the government’s data demand, calculated the cost of resistance at more than $25 million after the first month and $400 million in the second month. “And practically speaking,” Zwillinger noted in a blog post published Monday afternoon, “coercive civil fines means that the government would seek increased fines, with no ceiling, until Yahoo complied.”
The case was a foundational legal step in the government’s construction of PRISM, the surveillance program that gives NSA extensive access to records of online communications by users of Yahoo and other U.S.-based technology firms. What most bothered Yahoo was the lack of individual search warrants and court review for people outside the United States – something the company argued was required by the Fourth Amendment of the constitution.
[...]
Had Yahoo continued resisting the government’s order while it made the appeal, the company never could have paid its legal bills – or anything else. The equivalent of Yahoo’s total revenue for 2008, a healthy $7.2 billion, would have been gone by end of the twelfth week. If the company could have somehow found the cash, it could have paid off the entire U.S. debt, about $9.5 trillion at the time, in the fifth month.
At the six month mark, the relentlessly doubling fine would have equaled $117 trillion. Depending on the calculation you use, the fine would have exceeded the total dollar value of the entire Earth itself (including economic assets and the physical value of the planet itself) in either the eighth or ninth month. And before the 10th month, the amount would have exceeded the dollar value of steel used in the (fictional) Death Star, as calculated by enterprising economics students at Lehigh University.
At the end of the year: the total would have been $7.9 sextillion. That’s equal to a stack of $100 bills (if that many actually existed) so high that it would go back and forth to the sun 28,769 times.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-have-fined-yahoo-trillions-of-dollars/
Obama and Hillary, along with Bush & Co., should be in prison for life.
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Proof that Apple is biased when it comes to this election. Such a shame, I thought Apple was better than this.
If Apple want to make long time Apple fans start hating Apple, well Tim Cook is going the exact correct way to have us starting to hate Apple.
If Apple want to make long time Apple fans start hating Apple, well Tim Cook is going the exact correct way to have us starting to hate Apple.
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Tim is in the middle of his end game with Apple and feeling the last of his oats. Would not be surprised to see him retire and go full-time phlantrophist by the end of the year.
I just don't understand heads of large corporations that publicly and intentionally engage in activities and debates that will knowingly alienate up to half or more of your customer base, employees and supply chain. Encourage your employees to be involved in the issues that matter to them, but don't essentially force their association with some political establishment of any persuasion.
I really didn't need another reason to be frustrated with Cook.
I really didn't need another reason to be frustrated with Cook.
No. No those possibilities do not exist. No matter who wins people won't be seceding or leaving.
Yeah...barely.
No, Tim has given money to both sides. Look up his fundraiser for Paul Ryan. Don't tell us he is liberal or that Clinton is conservative.
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No. No those possibilities do not exist. No matter who wins people won't be seceding or leaving.
Yeah...barely.
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Yes, and if Apple is selling out America despite being an American company, what does the flag represent? In regards to Apple?
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If Steve cared, explain the privacy lawsuit from 2008. Or back when he leeched from the college he dropped out of, effectively violating their private lands (google it but if I find the article first I'll post it, it wasn't a MSM article but the number of issues and suits Jobs had shows he wasn't the most respectful of people)... it's also amusing how all these college dropout CEOs like Jobs dictate potential workers get huge college degrees as prerequisites...
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It isn’t Apple per se, it’s Tim Cook. But yes, there is nothing nice to say about Tim Cook relating to doing this.
Ahhh... if Tim wanted Tax breaks he'd be behind Trump... Trump wants to slim corporate taxes to 15%, especially taxes on foreign earnings (10%) so the companies can bring their money home and invest more in America. The Democrats want to raise corporate taxes to help pay for all the free stuff they are promising. Also, trade bills don't take away workers rights, for the most part, they just do away with American workers.
Why? Because someone isn't entitled to their own opinion?
Fine. Then two can play that game. There's nothing nice to say about people supporting Trump. There. Happy?
No, Tim has given money to both sides. Look up his fundraiser for Paul Ryan. Don't tell us he is liberal or that Clinton is conservative.
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Yes, and if Apple is selling out America despite being an American company, what does the flag represent? In regards to Apple?
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If Steve cared, explain the privacy lawsuit from 2008. Or back when he leeched from the college he dropped out of, effectively violating their private lands (google it but if I find the article first I'll post it, it wasn't a MSM article but the number of issues and suits Jobs had shows he wasn't the most respectful of people)... it's also amusing how all these college dropout CEOs like Jobs dictate potential workers get huge college degrees as prerequisites...
Wow, Steve Jobs attending college classes by dropping in on what was of interest to him, such as calligraphy/typography, which he credits as his inspiration for Apple beginning with nice typefaces for UI, something Apple has been legendary for (just compare early OS X to any Windows pre-Windows 8-10). How does Steve attending college classes equate with Steve being anti-Apple users’ privacy?
Seriously, quit trolling me.
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I don’t care if Tim Cook likes Hillary.
True. I tend to be a bit more Company/OS diverse.
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That's the problem when an individual tied to a company or movement and is a high profile person in the public view endorses anything; it is indelibly linked; the person, the company/movement, and the endorsed. An individual public opinion no longer exists.
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Not at all.
His intentions and public perception can be, and in his case, likely divergent. As a CEO of Apple, he should be more aware of this. Unless his intent is to empower the "Apple supports Hillary" or "Apple support the DNC" view.
When someone says "Tim Cook", most people think "Apple".
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Chuckle
And you sir are the expert in identifying this.
What percent of your income goes to taxes in Germany? You pay for all this stuff up front through your taxes and don't realize you are doing it. In the US, we pay for that stuff voluntarily through donations, tuition and healthcare plans. One can argue which way is better but I wouldn't be so quick to laugh about our system. You're still paying for it, it's just not voluntary.
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FYI- That money from anti-LGBT countries was likely used in the Clinton Foundation's funding of AIDS medication programs in poor countries so I would say that was a GREAT rebuke to those anti-LGBTQ countries.
One aspect of this that really bothers me; interpretation. Yearly I attend required legal workshops where I am reminded that my opinion should never be interpreted as a reflection on the company I work for unless approved by the company. My periodic background checks by my company look at this in social media. It is a terminating level offense.
Tim represents Apple. If Tim supports Hillary, how can we not conclude that Apple does too?
AMEN!
I commented several times on these boards that Tim waited until he safely got the dream job of a lifetime then quickly 'come out' and has been playing 'social advocate' ever since.
Plus, he seems enamored with trips to China, plus receiving testimonials / awards and dinner invites at the White House. And....he's still riding on the creations/innovations of Steve Jobs (may he rest in peace!).
Her "massive" wealth? Are you saying she's wealthier than Trump? According to Forbes, The Clinton's net worth is $45 million, mostly from book deals and speeches since public service really doesn't pay much in the grand scheme of things. It's unusual to have BOTH spouses be famous enough to both generate high income from books and speeches. Trump made money scamming people, relabelling cheap crap made in other countries, borrowing massive amounts of money (again much from foreign countries) then repeatedly filing bankruptcy and cheating contractors. I see a clear difference between the two candidates and it mystifies me Trump supporters don't.
I detest Hillary Clinton, but who cares.. It's not Apple doing this, it's Tim Cook acting as a citizen.
I must have hit a nerve when I had the audacity to speak my mind about US politics.
Glassed Silver:mac
I can't really think of any other reason than mental illness and delusional paranoia that someone would honestly try to blame democrats in congress more than the Bush administration.
It wasn't a democrat who lied through his teeth during a State of the Union speech, it was George Bush, a republican.
It wasn't a democrat who knowing lied through his teeth to the UN using bad photoshops and infor they were warned couldn't be trusted or verified, it was Colin Powell.
It wasn't a democrat who went on TV warning about mushroom clouds over US cities, it was condelezza rice, a republican member of the Bush Administration.
It wasn't a democrat who said they knew for a fact where the WMDs were it was Donald Rumsfeld, a republican in the Bush Administration.
It wasn't a democrat who lied through his teeth claiming Iraq was involved with 9/11 and continued to do so it was republican Vice President Dick Cheney
You think it's "idiocy" to say Tim Cook is stretched a bit thin with all his non-Apple commitments? Maybe you should take a look around the Apple empire. Its leader is not nearly as focused as its last.
Well let's see....
China is the most populous country on earth thus the market is huge
China has restrictive laws that must always be negotiated with
China is where Apple makes many of it's products.
Gee, I can't imagine why Tim travels to China so much.
Personally I think this is a bad move for Apple. Add in stock uncertainty, concern about the next batch of iDevices, and you have the potential for some seriously negative impact to Apple itself.
Yeah but Apple is playing a long game here, not a short one. The iPhone this year will probably be meh, but the one next year will probably be impressive. Then there is the auto efforts and new macs on the horizon. Again...a long game. They will be fine.