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so you increase wages for your employees, nice. but your competitors located in Mexico charge much less than yours. your business is losing money. what would you do? file bankrupcy, moving to Mexico, or laying off?

you are making business as evil, class warfare. small businesses or big businesses are also American. they provide jobs and complete globally. their goal is to make profit. without profit, what is the point of opening a business?

if you are not happy with your employer, then leave and work somewhere else, like 1950s and 60s. go back to school, get better skill and find better jobs. if employees are leaving for better jobs, then employer will raise wage to compete.
I have an answer for your question. Do you have one for mine? You didn't even answer my question. Try again. Then I will be happy to answer yours.
 
You mean regular "normal" people against these douches? Bring it on!

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How exactly is that woman a "douche"? Or is she someone infamous I don't know?
 
I can't really think of any other reason than mental illness and delusional paranoia that someone would honestly try to blame democrats in congress more than the Bush administration.

It wasn't a democrat who lied through his teeth during a State of the Union speech, it was George Bush, a republican.

It wasn't a democrat who knowing lied through his teeth to the UN using bad photoshops and infor they were warned couldn't be trusted or verified, it was Colin Powell.

It wasn't a democrat who went on TV warning about mushroom clouds over US cities, it was condelezza rice, a republican member of the Bush Administration.

It wasn't a democrat who said they knew for a fact where the WMDs were it was Donald Rumsfeld, a republican in the Bush Administration.

It wasn't a democrat who lied through his teeth claiming Iraq was involved with 9/11 and continued to do so it was republican Vice President Dick Cheney
More fixation. Yawn.
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I detest Hillary Clinton, but who cares.. It's not Apple doing this, it's Tim Cook acting as a citizen.
As long as Tim is at the helm of Apple, his actions reflect corporate bias. Steve Jobs was a closet conservative ever since he was kicked out of Apple in 1984 seeing almost all of his old school Berkeley Psych community turn his back on him.

After that, he grew up and worked with people that had more production than social agendas. It did him well and his second tenure of Apple showed it. Steve even called Rush Limbaugh "a friend" when talking about the success of early iPod streaming programs.

The beat goes on.
 
Don't think Trump made his money by selling out our country. If she wins it's because our country is chalk full of idiots who believe the mainstream media or are just plain stupid.
Mature, considered argument there.

You're right about one thing though. He didn't make his money (whose amount we don't know, because he refuses to disclose his tax returns unlike the other candidates) selling out his country. He made it by inheriting a bundle, swindling contractors, misleading investors, using market loopholes, and taking advantage of lawsuits and bankruptcy courts to extract money from communities. (I presume this is what Trump is referring to when he says he will use his business experience to run the country.)

I don't care for Clinton's ties to big money either, but you are a fool if you think Donald Trump is some sort of prince of morality. Your outrage seems to be somewhat selective. Then again, the only demographic where Trump leads in the polls is with less educated white males, so statistically...
 
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How exactly is that woman a "douche"? Or is she someone infamous I don't know?
You can't see it? o_O You really can't see it???? (Granted I am not saying that woman in particular....but all the signs point to yes. ;))
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It looks like he was suspended for personal insults. I didn't report him, just came back and saw this today.
Okay. I wasn't sure what he was saying. But I guess its an insult! LOL
 
How exactly is that woman a "douche"? Or is she someone infamous I don't know?

A merc AMG GLE......a douche irespective of race, gender etc :p
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I dunno. She just looks like a wealthy woman in her 40s. All I can say is she chose the wrong car. The BMW X6 and the Mercedes equivalent are dumb.

I judged by the car straight away .....and afterwards saw a woman in the pic lol
 
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I dunno. She just looks like a wealthy woman in her 40s. All I can say is she chose the wrong car. The BMW X6 and the Mercedes equivalent are dumb.
You are right about the BMW X's. Most BMW drivers I find are usually passionate about cars, intelligent, and very seldom morons. The Mercedes people are either snotty soccer moms that don't know how to drive, idiots with money and no originality or class, or just plain bad people. Never met a Merc driver I actually liked. True passionate auto enthusiasts are usually in the outrageous Mercs like the C63 Black or something, not the soccer mobiles or the low end.

A merc AMG GLE......a douche irespective of race, gender etc :p
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I judged by the car straight away .....and afterwards saw a woman in the pic lol
Exactly!
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Well, I much prefer to see and drive around that than a Toyota Prius.
Now that is douchey LOL! :D
 
Why do people refer to Hilary as a socialist? She is right wing while Trump is extreme right wing.
She's center-right and Trump is a strange blend of ignorance and extremity last widely seen when Mussolini, who at least had the stones to call himself a fascist, rose to power. The entire political spectrum has shifted rightwards beneath our feet.

Reminds be of a great Bill Maher monologue, Democrats are the new Republicans, where he observes that over the last 30 some-odd years the Democrats have moved to the right and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital.

At least the Sanders movement wants fairness for society. The Trump movement wants "fairness" only for those who look and sound like Trump. Want to know what a real liberal is, not a political enemy labeled as such? Look to the Sandernistas. Not Hillary Clinton.
 
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Why do people refer to Hilary as a socialist? She is right wing while Trump is extreme right wing.
She has been spewing a lot of "rich people are evil" and "we need to level the playing field" speech lately. But I don't think she really means it. Seems like she's pretending to be like Bernie Sanders in whatever ways will get her votes.

Still voting for her because Trump has no idea what he's doing.
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Reminds be of a great Bill Maher monologue, Democrats are the new Republicans, where he observes that over the last 30 some-odd years the Democrats have moved to the right and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital.
Bill Maher... I remember is he wanted to speak at some event at our school, and the Muslims were protesting because he had said some nasty things about them and other religious people. Then he said they were trying to attack his freedom of speech, and some idiots were complaining that not having him as a speaker would be a violation of the First Amendment. He seems like a real douche. Not going to read anything written by him, sorry.
 
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I will be breaking my iPhone and iPad Pro (using non-physical means so I don't have to pay the damage deductible), and have the Apple Store replace both under warranty. Then, take the brown box units, flip them on Craiglist, and move to Android.

Not sure what Apple's true cost is for brown box units, but at least I have the satisfaction of knowing those costs reduced the profits made on my original purchases and guarantees those profits won't ever go near that witch.

Trump 2016
 
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Yes and they are republican taking point, and your fake outrage is both obvious and pathetic. I did a quick search in the macrumors thread about Cook hosting a fund raiser for Paul Ryan but didn't find posts by you expressing your outrage....
Could be that he wasn't the Presidential candidate or more likely because I didn't see it.
I don't live on this site
 
This is capitalism. Let the market (nature) decide what is the right $ an hour. if you think the Government should intervene and give everyone $15 an hour. and everyone should be richer? you are dead wrong. When this happens, the market (again nature) will correct it self. Some jobs will move oversea, hence job loss, whether government likes it or not. small business and big companies will cut jobs so that they can still make profit, job loss. everyone else used to make more than $15 will also get a raise (otherwise they will complain and go somewhere else to get paid more).

First of all, it's not like the minimum wage will become $15 overnight. It will take several years to move that far. And even I, unabashed liberal, think that a $15 minimum is too high. But, you start somewhere and whittle it down.

As far as job losses, historically, there has not been a rise in unemployment related to minimum wage increases. In fact, from 1960 to 1968, minimum wage increased 3 times and a total of 60% in then-dollars (36% in inflation-adjusted dollars, yet unemployment dropped by almost half from 1961-1968. Even more to the fact, 1968 was the highest minimum wage in our history when adjusted for inflation, yet one of the lowest unemployment rates. The labor force participation rate was also increasing during this time. So, high minimum wage, low unemployment, and an increasing labor force. How is it possible?? After 1968, the minimum wage started to fall in inflation-adjusted dollars. By the mid 80's, the minimum wage had fallen by almost 25%, yet unemployment spiked to the highest levels in history.

As the result, inflation will increase (say 4 or 5 %). basically raising minimum wage is like raising the water level. everything will float and raise as the result (inflation). a gallon of milk will increase. so are egg, car, house, etc. so getting $15 an hour does not mean that you can buy more than you are used to. Due to inflation, your buying power remains the same as before because everything becomes more expensive.

It has been noted before, using actual numbers from major retailers, that in order to raise their wages by 50%, many retailers only need to raise prices by 4-5% to not affect profits. And with their workers making 50% more, they would likely see an increase in sales, and thus profits.

So, that Wal-Mart cashier making $8.50 an hour and working 30 hours a week, would see his paycheck go from $255 a week to $382.50 a week. So he'd have an extra $127.50 per week. But, if his shopping amounts to $100 a week, he would see his bill go up to only $105 a week. So, he makes $127.50 more a week, but has a few dollars more in expenses. Obviously, there's more to it, but prices would not rise an equal amount to labor cost increases. The biggest chunk of peoples' spending goes to rent/mortgage and food. Very little labor attached to rent and mortgage, so those prices shouldn't really rise much. Food going up a few percent wouldn't kill most people.

Democrat idea of raising minimum wage sounds very convincing but they only tell you half of the story.

As does your side. You just say "minimum wage increases kill jobs" while that has been shown throughout history to not be true.
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NO. Refer to previous posts for the principle of the matter.

There's over 400 posts in this thread. Forgive me.
 
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> Bernie would be good, too bad he isn't an option
> Should vote Hillary

Pick one. Hillary and the corrupt-to-the-core DNC is the reason Bernie isn't going to be an option on the ballot.

Agreed with your first bit though -- the whole thing is coming apart at the seams as this mess unfolds.

One thing's for sure: if Hillary manages to lose, despite all of the absolutely endless media, government, and social media propaganda holding her up, and everyone in the establishment, big corporations, financial industry, foreign money, etc, doing everything they can to get her through -- then it'll really say something about how bad of a candidate she really is.

Stop with the "the system was rigged against Bernie and that's why he lost". This entire mythology is typical from a group of people who never gave a moment's attention to the primary system before. He lost because not enough DEMOCRATS wanted him to represent them in the election. Period. Hillary played under all the exact same rules in 2008 and didn't win, even though one could argue the DNC thought she was more electable than Obama back then. She was way closer to winning the nomination back then than Sanders was in this election. He lost BOTH the regular delegate count and the total with super delegates. His pie-in-the-sky ideas with no reasonable way to pay for them and his one-note "all big business/wall Street is bad" didn't resonate with me or many older adults who know the realities of what he was pushing for. Did he EVER talk about his plans to defeat ISIS, stem gun violence or anything other than kill Wall Street/free college/universal healthcare? What was his jobs plan? Every time I heard him speak it was the same, boring "Wall Street.....the 1%.... blah blah" zzzzzzzz speech over and over. And don't get me started on the bogus GMO labelling debacle. I could never vote for someone whose blind hatred of a business overrides scientific logic and real data. He pandered to the billion dollar organic lobby and illogical people who believe in their woo lies to get them to overpay for food (at the expense of poor people here and around the world who rely on GM technology to grow food where it doesn't grow well anymore) and lost ANY chance for my vote. Now he can go back to getting next to nothing but a few amendments passed in the Senate. I am really curious to see if he does anything useful channelling his supporters to get more Dems elected to get back the Senate and House but it seems like his supporters like the mythology of Bernie more than the actual Bernie and aren't listening to what he wants anymore. So much for that revolution....his people either still enjoy trolling Hillary supporters or are threatening to "make a stand" by voting 3rd party. Only privileged, young, mostly white, people have the luxury to throw away their vote like that when none of Trump's policies will effect them negatively that much. But remember if you help Trump get elected you are also helping him ruin the Supreme Court long after his azz gets voted out or he gets eliminated in some other way when he becomes too much to deal with.
 
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Dear Tim, Why can't you focus on making innovative products with Apple design? Stop with the pet projects, political shin digs, adventures in PC land, and just focus on making Apple Great Again. Hillary Clinton will do nothing but hurt you if she makes it into the WH. #StayNeutral #StayFocused
 
Dear Tim, Why can't you focus on making innovative products with Apple design? Stop with the pet projects, political shin digs, adventures in PC land, and just focus on making Apple Great Again. Hillary Clinton will do nothing but hurt you if she makes it into the WH. #StayNeutral #StayFocused
Still scratching my head as to why people think Tim's constitutional right to fundraise for whoever he wants should be infringed upon just because he runs a company.
 
Dear Tim, Why can't you focus on making innovative products with Apple design? Stop with the pet projects, political shin digs, adventures in PC land, and just focus on making Apple Great Again. Hillary Clinton will do nothing but hurt you if she makes it into the WH. #StayNeutral #StayFocused
I'm sure Tim plans to invest in a design and marketing department in the near future. Not he's supporting Hillary he's not going to have time to do it all himself.
 
Still voting for her because Trump has no idea what he's doing.
Lol! Quite.
Bill Maher... I remember is he wanted to speak at some event at our school, and the Muslims were protesting because he had said some nasty things about them and other religious people. He seems like a real douche. Then some idiots were complaining that not having him as a speaker would be a violation of the First Amendment. Not going to read anything written by him, sorry.
Maher never really singled out Muslims. He, like Richard Dawkins and John Lennon, recognize that religion in general is a dangerously dividing influence responsible for more death and suffering than anything else in the history of humankind. Not saying religion doesn't have its benefits, but that's his position.

And I agree, it's not that smart to think that you're constitutionally entitled to hear Bill Maher live.
 
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So now Apple wants big government? 6 months ago they were telling the FBI to go to hell

Apple supports government that allows them to make their products in countries that have cheap labor, and then allow them to import them back without penalty. That's all this is, and why he also had the Paul Ryan event. I read a comment above this made Apple "neutral". If you meant because these politicians are all of the same ideology, then yea, neutral it is.
 
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Still scratching my head as to why people think Tim's constitutional right to fundraise for whoever he wants should be infringed upon just because he runs a company.

It certainly is his right. However, these days people at the lowest level of a company get fired for things they say on their own time. It's hard to imagine that the face of one of the largest, most powerful and influential organizations in the world would be treated with less scrutiny.

Being the head of Apple is the only reason anyone (and everyone) knows who he is.
 
Don't think Trump made his money by selling out our country. If she wins it's because our country is chalk full of idiots who believe the mainstream media or are just plain stupid.

Or people like me; that may agree with anything you could possibly say about Hillary being a liar & a crook- but would literally vote for "Hitler come back from the dead", before that uber douche, scumbag Trump.
 
Another low information voting, Fox News viewing republican whose allergic to facts and reality. I could try to debate you but you're detachment from reality is far it's completely pointless to even try.

Your complete asinine line of deranged thoughts could only be the result of years of viewing Fox News while listening to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and right wing radio.

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone On this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hilarious... You cannot counter even one of the points of FACT I present, so you then just descend into name calling and hate - which is an indisputable sign of your complete and utter defeat.

BTW, "Low information Voter" has been most recently used to described how miserable Obama voters did on exit polling that accessed their actual knowledge of the 2012 candidate's positions. Again, I'll restate:

Only a "Low information Voter" would believe that the US president has the power to declare war.
Only a "Low information Voter" would not know that Democrats had a Senate Majority when the Iraq war was declared.
Only a "Low information Voter" would not know that Congress has the sole authority to declare war.
Only a "Low information Voter" would not know that Obamacare designers considered Americans "stupid" voters that could be fooled. See:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...onathan-grubers-role-in-developing-obamacare/
And to be balanced:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/politics/obamacare-voters-stupid-explainer/

The truth is that all the above "Low Information" ignorance supports Democrat political agenda. Which is why you have such a vile and extreme reaction to the facts.

Oh, and this just in (Clinton Cash):

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