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Happy to teach.

This isn't to raise money to give her as a present. It's to help finance her Presidential campaign.

The 2010 Citizens United vs the Federal Election Commission decision by the Supreme Court of the United States (the highest court in the land) essentially determined that corporations have the same rights to free speech as individual citizens. In my opinion this can't possibly be what the authors of our Constitution wanted, but nonetheless this is how the text was interpreted in the majority opinion. This led to statutes allowing unrestricted money flowing through so-called Super PACs (Political Action Committees) which don't have to curtail or report donations as long as they can justify their activities as educational rather than supporting a particular candidate.

These legal developments have opened the flood gates allowing vast amounts of money, often anonymous and undisclosed, to flow through the American political process. Candidates without access to enormous amounts of capital in their "war chests" can't compete in terms of expensive polling, advertising, staffing, and ground operations costs. Bernie Sanders may be proud that his average donor gave $27, but he needed 8 million of them to stay in the game.

America is turning into a plutocracy. Say what you will about Clinton or Trump (and can any Trump-The-Billionnaire supporter really criticize Hillary Clinton's money with a straight face?), the Democratic Party platform is the only major party platform supporting both the overturn of Citizens United and strict campaign finance reform, and that's why they have my support. The more money and politics are intertwined the more the haves will take advantage of the have nots. It's simply human nature.
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If you hate liars then you must really hate Donald Trump too. Or is it just liars you already hated for other reasons?

Don't think Trump made his money by selling out our country. If she wins it's because our country is chalk full of idiots who believe the mainstream media or are just plain stupid.
 
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Her "massive" wealth? Are you saying she's wealthier than Trump? According to Forbes, The Clinton's net worth is $45 million, mostly from book deals and speeches since public service really doesn't pay much in the grand scheme of things. It's unusual to have BOTH spouses be famous enough to both generate high income from books and speeches. Trump made money scamming people, relabelling cheap crap made in other countries, borrowing massive amounts of money (again much from foreign countries) then repeatedly filing bankruptcy and cheating contractors. I see a clear difference between the two candidates and it mystifies me Trump supporters don't.

Hillary Clinton's net worth is $31.3 million. The Hillary Clinton net worth number comes from analyzing her 2015 U.S. Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars. 26 July 2016 via MoneyNation.com
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Yeah but Apple is playing a long game here, not a short one. The iPhone this year will probably be meh, but the one next year will probably be impressive. Then there is the auto efforts and new macs on the horizon. Again...a long game. They will be fine.

Likely. I just hope that and moves like this don't bite them in the a$$.
 
If Steve cared, explain the privacy lawsuit from 2008. Or back when he leeched from the college he dropped out of, effectively violating their private lands (google it but if I find the article first I'll post it, it wasn't a MSM article but the number of issues and suits Jobs had shows he wasn't the most respectful of people)... it's also amusing how all these college dropout CEOs like Jobs dictate potential workers get huge college degrees as prerequisites...
Wow, Steve Jobs attending college classes by dropping in on what was of interest to him, such as calligraphy/typography, which he credits as his inspiration for Apple beginning with nice typefaces for UI, something Apple has been legendary for (just compare early OS X to any Windows pre-Windows 8-10). How does Steve attending college classes equate with Steve being anti-Apple users’ privacy?

In continuation of my earlier reply to you, I thought I should post this in case you haven’t read any of this Steve Jobs history:


The Trappist monk whose calligraphy inspired Steve Jobs — and influenced Apple’s designs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...red-steve-jobs-and-influenced-apples-designs/

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Then, in 1972, Jobs came to campus.

The future Apple co-founder enrolled in Reed College that year, but dropped out after a single semester. He remained on campus, however, to attend classes that interested him, as he explained in that 2005 commencement address at Stanford.

Palladino’s calligraphy course was among them, he said:

Throughout the campus every poster, every label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed. Because I had dropped out and didn’t have to take the normal classes, I decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned about serif and sans serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that science can’t capture, and I found it fascinating.

None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life. But 10 years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac. It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts.
Just as Jobs never forgot that course, Palladino never forgot his student.

“My first impression was that all the other students really liked him,” Palladino told the Hollywood Reporter’s Tim Appelo, a Reed graduate himself, for a 2011 story. “That surprised me, because there were all these geniuses floating around, and Steve was a dropout. But they detected greatness even then.”

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Yeah..but as he stated that apple is not involved....unless he's lying. He's a cheerleader.
Sorry, I should have written that it is personal.
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LOL Polls don't mean a thing at this point.

At this point in the last election RNC they had Mitt Romney tied with Obama and we saw how that played out on election day.
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What is that? Some sort of Apple Corporate policy?

"Thou shall only work on Apple stuff from 9 am to 5 pm"
Sorry, should have said that it is.
 
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It's so obvious the American political system has reached its limits. Spending millions on a popularity contest between two persons. What a waste of time and money. Especially as most people don't like either of them.

If Bernie were still in the race the dynamics would be entirely different.

But the worst of all: this election shouldn't be a close call. Hillary should win by a big margin for obvious reasons. But the fact is that she won't. A lot of people will vote for Trump just for the sake of it.

So good for Tim for at least supporting the right (or less evil) of the two available options.
 
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One aspect of this that really bothers me; interpretation. Yearly I attend required legal workshops where I am reminded that my opinion should never be interpreted as a reflection on the company I work for unless approved by the company. My periodic background checks by my company look at this in social media. It is a terminating level offense.

Tim represents Apple. If Tim supports Hillary, how can we not conclude that Apple does too?

Sorry, I'm kind of confused by your post. Are you saying that your company doesn't allow you to express opinions in social media, or merely to claim that your opinions are company opinions? What exactly is the terminating offense you talk about?
 
Why can't he just concentrate on business?

Do you only concentrate on business? Why should anyone have to focus 100% on business and never do anything else?

Tim, can you take time out from your busy culture warrior schedule to help squeeze out an up to date Anything?

The decision was made long before Tim that Apple is now an iDevice and adapter company.

It really pisses me off that the money I spend on Apple products is getting funneled to a corrupt lying socialist political hack. I just spent close to $3K last night at Apple on a new MBP for my daughter, headed back to college.... which by the way we are paying for out of pocket.

I don't know why business leaders, entertainers, etc. can't keep their political views out of their business.

The money you spend on everything is being funneled somewhere. Likely, a good portion of what I pay for gas is going towards paying off lobbyists and politicians to make rules more favorable to gas companies. Money spent to right-leaning organizations almost certainly heads towards the NRA or other big pro-2nd organizations. It is what it is.

When is your next stand up comedy performance, near me? You're good.

What? By stating that Tim actually exists outside of Apple? It's true.

Because he doesn't care about Apple.

All he cares about is money and getting as rich as possible.

Wait....aren't we told non-stop that the only purpose of business is to make as much money as possible for shareholders? As such, shouldn't that be all he cares about? (Note that I don't agree with this, but it's supposedly the only way)

The evidence has been building up over the past five years. The Mac has been abandoned. Hardware in general has been neglected. He has made it a priority to turn Apple into a soapbox for his political agenda, something which has nothing to do with Apple, and only serves to detract focus from the lack of innovation at Apple.

Apple was headed down the tubes far before Cook came into the picture. They were determined to become a company solely focused on phones and tablets.

If he really cares about the future of Apple, he should come here to MacRumors and post a response to my post. Convince me that Steve Jobs didn't make a terrible mistake, Tim. I'm here to listen.

Steve did make a terrible mistake. Cook continued it.
 
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This is going to be a long response. So much ignorance here that needs to be replied to.

Usually that logic everyone should be making $1 a day so we can compete with 3rd world countries. It's the logical extension of your argument. If raising wages is bad, lowering them is good right? Right?

And it's funny, there are companies paying $15 (or near that) an hour already and guess what? Still hiring! Still in business.

you started by calling people ignorance. Let's see...

This is capitalism. Let the market (nature) decide what is the right $ an hour. if you think the Government should intervene and give everyone $15 an hour. and everyone should be richer? you are dead wrong. When this happens, the market (again nature) will correct it self. Some jobs will move oversea, hence job loss, whether government likes it or not. small business and big companies will cut jobs so that they can still make profit, job loss. everyone else used to make more than $15 will also get a raise (otherwise they will complain and go somewhere else to get paid more).

As the result, inflation will increase (say 4 or 5 %). basically raising minimum wage is like raising the water level. everything will float and raise as the result (inflation). a gallon of milk will increase. so are egg, car, house, etc. so getting $15 an hour does not mean that you can buy more than you are used to. Due to inflation, your buying power remains the same as before because everything becomes more expensive.

you see, the market corrects itself. The government can't control it. so many socialist countries failed trying to control price, wage, food, etc.

Democrat idea of raising minimum wage sounds very convincing but they only tell you half of the story.
 
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When someone says "Tim Cook", most people think "Apple".

Sure, but, I don't think Apple is endorsing Clinton, unless Apple issues an official Apple Press Release, or Tim Cook sits at his desk and says Apple is endorsing Clinton. Corporate executives have often given fund raisers for political candidates. Corporations have often donated to both parties -- in theory supporting the political process, in practice greasing the wheels. I would prefer taxpayer-publicly-supported political campaigns myself, but, that would require a Constitutional Amendment.
 
Why do people refer to Hilary as a socialist? She is right wing while Trump is extreme right wing.

The fact is that the only reason to vote for Trump is to cast a protest vote. Against the system. Against everything. Trump does not offer any solutions. Heck, he even denies climate change, the biggest treat facing us all. That's criminal compared to mailing with your own server.
 
Why do people refer to Hilary as a socialist? She is right wing while Trump is extreme right wing.

because she wants to control the market by setting minimum wage, one of many regulations. The moment the government wants to control price, wage, food, etc, it is approaching socialist.

look no further than south America, Venezuela is in chaos now after decade of controlling price, food, taking over companies/business, giving out free housing, etc.
 
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But here is the difference between Jobs and Cook. Jobs felt his presence, his position @ Apple was enough to get those in power's ear. He was right. Tim Cook does not have that prestige. He has to "pay to play" just like everyone else. If Clinton is elected he wants a seat at the table.
In the relation between Hillary and Tim she is the one benefitting the most. The female rattlesnake needs all support she can get considering current events. My perspective is that the fundraiser is something happening at the initiative of Clinton.

Tim
does not have a politicians aura, what would his motivation be to hook up with these gangsters anyway and after exiting Apple he will have more money than he ever will need.

One option is that "someone" has gotten to him and he has been threatened. Watch the last presentation where he starts with a silent minute for the "victims" of the Orlando false flag. He is very shaken up, to me he looks afraid for himself, not because many people where supposedly killed in Orlando and not because some anti-gay-crazed-isis might do a terror attack. No, it looked more like "someone" had threatened him personally.

Obama and Hillary, along with Bush & Co., should be in prison for life.
That's very mild considering the suffering they have brought on to earth.
 
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because she wants to control the market by setting minimum wage, one of many regulations. The moment the government wants to control price, wage, food, etc, it is approaching socialist.

look no further than south America, Venezuela is in chaos now after decade of controlling price, food, taking over companies/business, giving out free housing, etc.

You're confusing communism and socialism, two completely distinct concepts.

And maybe, just maybe, Venezuela is in chaos because of mass corruption.
 
Don't think Trump made his money by selling out our country. If she wins it's because our country is chalk full of idiots who believe the mainstream media or are just plain stupid.

I'm not an idiot. I just happen to think a president who kids see on TV mocking disabled people, cussing, calling women fat pigs, and talking about "hitting" and "punching" people probably isn't the best role model for kids.

On top of that you add in stuff that adults should be worried about like his self grandiose complex thinking he is the only one that can solve things and saying he has the best temperament of any presidential candidate ever (before backpeddling to say one of the best) yesterday, to assuming he knows more than military generals, to his fraudulent university that scammed people out of money and was run out of Texas, to his now abandoned bankrupt casinos...it all paints a pretty bleak picture.

He once said those casinos were going to be the best and that he would make Atlantic city great again too. Sound familiar? If he couldn't even handle one city, how is he going to make the country great again when he farms out his own product lines to other countries himself?

You are being played. Big time. Just another mark for Trump to con. All too easy. There really IS a sucker born every minute!

you started by calling people ignorance. Let's see...

This is capitalism. Let the market (nature) decide what is the right $ an hour. if you think the Government should intervene and give everyone $15 an hour. and everyone should be richer? you are dead wrong. When this happens, the market (again nature) will correct it self. Some jobs will move oversea, hence job loss, whether government likes it or not. small business and big companies will cut jobs so that they can still make profit, job loss. everyone else used to make more than $15 will also get a raise (otherwise they will complain and go somewhere else to get paid more).

As the result, inflation will increase (say 4 or 5 %). basically raising minimum wage is like raising the water level. everything will float and raise as the result (inflation). a gallon of milk will increase. so are egg, car, house, etc. so getting $15 an hour does not mean that you can buy more than you are used to. Due to inflation, your buying power remains the same as before because everything becomes more expensive.

you see, the market corrects itself. The government can't control it. so many socialist countries failed trying to control price, wage, food, etc.

Democrat idea of raising minimum wage sounds very convincing but they only tell you half of the story.

But the market ISN'T correcting itself. That is the whole point. People have less buying power now than they did in the 1960's. Why do you think one breadwinner could support an entire household AND send the kids off to college in the 1950's, but that cannot be done now by very many? Because wages and cost are out of balance. Either the wages have to come up, or cost have to come down. Somehow the balance that is not correcting itself has to be restored.

And you didn't really answer my question either. If wages going up are a bad thing, wages going down to ridiculously low levels should be a great thing right? At least be consistent in your arguments.

We"ve already had the cost part go up. Now the wages need to follow.
 
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You're confusing communism and socialism, two completely distinct concepts.

And maybe, just maybe, Venezuela is in chaos because of mass corruption.

don't want to waste time debating communism and socialism on MR...

so Hillary email server and DNC bias against Sander are not corruption?
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But the market ISN'T correcting itself. That is the whole point. People have less buying power now than they did in the 1960's. Why do you think one breadwinner could support an entire household AND send the kids off to college in the 1950's, but that cannot be done now by very many? Because wages and cost are out of balance. Either the wages have to come up, or cost have to come down. Somehow the balance that is not correcting itself has to be restored.

And you didn't really answer my question either. If wages going up are a bad thing, wages going down to ridiculously low levels should be a great thing right? At least be consistent in your arguments.

We"ve already had the cost part go up. Now the wages need to follow.

OK, say you are one of millions small business owners. would you want the government to set minimum wage for your employees?

"wages and cost are out of balance..." is more completed than any politician or economist can figure out a solution. in 1950 and 1960, the market was mostly local. Today the market is globalized. businesses complete globally. This put alot of pressure on price and wage, good for consumers but bad for manufacturing jobs and small businesses. if it costs too much to make products in the U.S (wages, environment regulation, health regulations), then companies had no choice but moving to other countries.
 
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This thread is sooo representative of why this nation will experience civil unrest equal to the Civil War in the next 5-10 years. The exception being that it will be Class Based. :apple:
 
OK, say you are one of millions small business owners. would you want the government to set minimum wage for your employees?
Absolutely I would because I would want my employees to be paid decent wages. But the wants and needs of employers and employees are different, thus there is always tension in this regard unless there is a really good employer. Sadly too many times the employer is only looking to pay people as little as they can get away with and give no thought to if the employee can actually even afford to live on that paltry wage that they want to pay. Which is stupid because it's counterproductive and shortsighted. If the employee is happier and not stressed out about finding child care so they can work two jobs, or stressed out trying to juggle all their bills because there isn't enough to go around, they will be better more productive employees.

Just pay people decent wages and stop this race to the bottom mentality. Cost and wages need to be in balance with one another again. But let me ask a question of you now...would you want your wage to go down to $1 an hour to remain competitive with third world countries?
 
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Absolutely I would because I would want my employees to be paid decent wages. But the wants and needs of employers and employees are different, thus there is always tension in this regard unless there is a really good employer. Sadly too many times the employer is only looking to pay people as little as they can get away with and give no thought to if the employee can actually even afford to live on that paltry wage that they want to pay. Which is stupid because it's counterproductive and shortsighted. If the employee is happier and not stressed out about finding child care so they can work two jobs, or stressed out trying to juggle all their bills because there isn't enough to go around, they will be better more productive employees.

Just pay people decent wages and stop this race to the bottom mentality. Cost and wages need to be in balance with one another again. But let me ask a question of you now...would you want your wage to go down to $1 an hour to remain competitive with third world countries?

so you increase wages for your employees, nice. but your competitors located in Mexico charge much less than yours. your business is losing money. what would you do? file bankrupcy, moving to Mexico, or laying off?

you are making business as evil, class warfare. small businesses or big businesses are also American. they provide jobs and complete globally. their goal is to make profit. without profit, what is the point of opening a business?

if you are not happy with your employer, then leave and work somewhere else, like 1950s and 60s. go back to school, get better skill and find better jobs. if employees are leaving for better jobs, then employer will raise wage to compete.
 
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This thread is sooo representative of why this nation will experience civil unrest equal to the Civil War in the next 5-10 years. The exception being that it will be Class Based. :apple:
You mean regular "normal" people against these douches? Bring it on!

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It's so obvious the American political system has reached its limits. Spending millions on a popularity contest between two persons. What a waste of time and money. Especially as most people don't like either of them.

If Bernie were still in the race the dynamics would be entirely different.

But the worst of all: this election shouldn't be a close call. Hillary should win by a big margin for obvious reasons. But the fact is that she won't. A lot of people will vote for Trump just for the sake of it.

So good for Tim for at least supporting the right (or less evil) of the two available options.

> Bernie would be good, too bad he isn't an option
> Should vote Hillary

Pick one. Hillary and the corrupt-to-the-core DNC is the reason Bernie isn't going to be an option on the ballot.

Agreed with your first bit though -- the whole thing is coming apart at the seams as this mess unfolds.

One thing's for sure: if Hillary manages to lose, despite all of the absolutely endless media, government, and social media propaganda holding her up, and everyone in the establishment, big corporations, financial industry, foreign money, etc, doing everything they can to get her through -- then it'll really say something about how bad of a candidate she really is.
 
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