Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter

[MadeTheSwitch]

You liberals lack an understanding of the macro-economics and macro-changes of this endless flow of non-Western immigration. A million here, two million there, another million here....in a few decades USA is not going to be recognisable anymore, and the majority of the population will be non-Western - who in many cases will be angrily rallying against the (ever-decreasing) imaginary "white supremacist" American culture that they've been taught to hate by the deceitful "liberal" mainstream media, Democrat politicians and academia who are playing the race-card 24/7. Good luck with that.

Ah...someone living in white fear, afraid for their heritage. Got it.

Non-western immigration is quite the funny statement. Where do you think people are coming from? The far East? If only your ancestors had been worried about these things. They would have stayed in Europe and not mixed things up with the natives and then later the slaves they would later bring. That's when things started changing. In other words, that precious "western" heritage you seem to want to hold on to, never really existed in the first place in the United States.

 

[Mainsail]

All of this discussion makes me reflect on my family's immigration history. My great grandfather came to the US from Serbia. He didn't speak English and his only skill was that of a Shepard. So, he got a job at a speak-easy and sold liquor during prohibition. By all accounts, he was a real SOB....used to beat my grandfather with a cane while he knelt in the cellar on corn husks. Eventually, he was killed in a dispute over a card game.

Now, my grandfather was pulled out of school after the 4th grade so he could deliver booze for his dad on a bicycle. He ran away from home for obvious reasons and eventually joined the Coast Guard at 17 y.o.. He shoveled coal into boilers for $1 per day.....but, he was fed and had place to sleep. He continued to serve his country well and eventually became a Chief. Actually, during WWII, they moved my grandfather to the Navy and promoted him to an Officer rank....which he hated....liked working directly with the men. Anyway, he served the entire war on Destroyers and SubChasers in the Atlantic. It was very risky business with Nazi wolf pack subs hunting in the shipping lanes.

His son, my father, went to college and became an Electrical Engineer and worked for NASA right out of college. In addition, he had a lengthy career at one of the DOE National Research Laboratories that worked primarily on issues of National Security during the Cold War. I also became an Engineer and then Financial Manager and worked at the same National Security Laboratory for 33 years.

All vectors have a direction and magnitude, and sometimes it takes a generation or two for things to sort themselves out. However, it seems like these Dreamers are on the right course and moving swiftly to be productive members of this country. Their beginnings may have been less than ideal and even illegal, but so was my family's start in this country. Before judging too harshly, take a moment to look at your own family's beginnings in this country.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Ah...someone living in white fear, afraid for their heritage. Got it.

Non-western immigration is quite the funny statement. Where do you think people are coming from? The far East? If only your ancestors had been worried about these things. They would have stayed in Europe and not mixed things up with the natives and then later the slaves they would later bring. That's when things started changing. In other words, that precious "western" heritage you seem to want to hold on to, never really existed in the first place in the United States.

Your argument is... against yourself. Now there is some sort of heritage here - which is undeniable - so in order to prevent what happened back then (thus being massacred/enslaved/etc.) the only way is to resist. You're basically calling to a complete shutdown of the borders!

 

[DoctorDoctor]

good for him. if these people are working, paying their taxes, and obeying the law, what is the problem?


why would you punish someone for a crime they did not commit? absolutely no one on earth appreciates being at fault for something they did not do.

So you admit their parent(s) committed a crime and should be dealt with accordingly ? Also, do you support putting some kind of limit on this or would anyone at any time be able to bring their children here and they automatically become Americans. Immigration needs to be controlled. We can't just open the borders to unlimited people.

 

[yaxomoxay]

All vectors have a direction and magnitude, and sometimes it takes a generation or two for things to sort themselves out. However, it seems like these Dreamers are on the right course and moving swiftly to be productive members of this country. Their beginnings may have been less than ideal and even illegal, but so was my family's start in this country. Before judging too harshly, take a moment to look at your own family's beginnings in this country.

Thank you for sharing your family's history! It's very intriguing!
I don't think anyone here is attacking the people (the so-called Dreamers), just the concept and also the complete lack of an actual law about those that fall under the DACA.

 

[robeddie]

Unless you are descended from a Native American tribe, you really aren't either. And I'd prefer any of these dreamers to any of the native-born dregs we have here who seem to be more into opioids, white supremacy, and militias than contributing to this nation.

Boom goes the dynamite. This post has 60 likes, more than I've ever seen, and it's deserved.

 

[avanpelt]

Unless you are descended from a Native American tribe, you really aren't either.

On the contrary, the law of the United States makes it pretty clear who is and is not classified as an American. Being a descendant of a Native American tribe is not one of the requirements of the law.

 

[Zachari]

Excuse me? Explain.

This liberal will explain it better than I ever can.

 

[redbeard331]

"America promises all its people"

"Dreamers" are not American.

They are more “American” than people like you than you’ll ever know.

 

[2010mini]

As in "US Citizen." I assume you know this.

OMG, great point...you are so smart. (Even though I know you know what they meant)

Just thought I would rub it in. US citizens have a bad habit of thinking of only themselves as “Americans”

 

[bommai]

It is not that simple. You can't just buy a work visa. There is a quota each year and it is generally reached within days. Then the permit is for 3 years.

Exactly, Apple could solve their problems instantly, but will they?

 

[saudade]

 

[2010mini]

As a Canadian, I strongly object to be called an American.

Sorry we spoiled it for you.

 

[djlythium]

"America promises all its people"

"Dreamers" are not American.

Fail. Americans come from all backgrounds.

 

[redbeard331]

Unless you are descended from a Native American tribe, you really aren't either. And I'd prefer any of these dreamers to any of the native-born dregs we have here who seem to be more into opioids, white supremacy, and militias than contributing to this nation.

Well said!

 

[jblagden]

Just thought I would rub it in. US citizens have a bad habit of thinking of only themselves as “Americans”

If not "Americans" what shall we call ourselves? Staters? Statesians? United Statesians?

 

[SavMBP15]

next on the chopping block: citizenship by birth, I am shocked it hasnt even been brought up yet or is this one of those things protected by the holy and untouchable constitution?

It should go away as well.

 

[macs4nw]

"protect the children of immigrants"

Those were not immigrants! They were illegal aliens! What don't people get about this?

Technically you are correct, but how can you hold a two-year old responsible for a crime their parents committed?
Provided they have grown up to become decent, moral citizens who contribute to our society, I'm all for letting them stay.

What should be addressed however is to not let such an 'amnesty' become precedent setting for future law breakers.

 

[nwcs]

I'm reminded of something I read recently. A celebrity said that they don't really care what other celebrities think about issues and they assumed no one would really care what they think. For all the bluster, wherever it originates, the actual change factor is very tiny. People who already agree would feel good; people who already disagree will entrench in their positions. There aren't a lot of people in the middle with no established position and those who do exist aren't likely to be more swayed by this more than any other missive.

In the end this is a feel-good letter meant to comfort those for whom it is written. It's also a keen maneuvre to rally those who are already in agreement with it -- likely a lot of people Apple already hires. So for the price of a 3 minute email, Tim can raise the morale of his troops to work harder without actually doing anything meaningful or direct to better their lives or income. That's what corporate management is all about.

He will keep writing these letters because it gets Apple lots of favorable press currently, rallies his troops without spending money on them, and the cost is practically nonexistent. In fact, I would presume that he has someone else write these and he reviews it before pressing "Send."

 

[ateslik]

Continued, willful ignorance of the illegal immigrants is not the answer. It is time for Congress to pass meaningful immigration reform that includes early identification of people who are in the country illegally and ensuring they are brought into compliance or deported in a reasonable period of time. Some allowance may need to be made for those that have slipped through the cracks for many years, but future enforcement simply must be structured to keep the situation from festering as long as it has in the past.

While I'm certainly no supporter of the "Papers please" oversight of the government like people faced in East Germany in the '50s - '80s, it is not unreasonable to expect parents of children to provide proof of legal residency before receiving public benefits including health care and education. With today's information systems it should be quite easy to ensure everyone is in compliance with immigration laws and track down those that should have left after overstaying a tourist visa.

The blame for any child "who grew up in the United States and have lived in the country since childhood could face deportation to countries that are essentially foreign to them" falls squarely on the parents. I feel bad for those kids, but if we simply grant citizenship based on their lack of knowledge of the illegal actions of their parents it will do nothing but encourage that continued behavior. We have to make the consequences serious enough to act as a discouragement for other contemplating the same actions.

I agree with a lot of what you said here. It is thoughtful and well-written.

A critical part of the Congress passing meaningful legislation is creating a clear and manageable path to legal status for people with little to no resources. Welcoming immigrants is a foundational tenet of this country. Unfortunately immigrants rarely have the money and resources to navigate complex legal pathways, but they usually have the strong desire to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their family. Supporting that while allowing them to become legal participating citizens should be something we can all agree on - within clear time limits. Kicking out immigrants who haven't been provided the resources to legalize themselves, or not giving them the time to legalize themselves, is not right in my opinion.

Making the road to legalization assisted and clear also seems like an opportunity to create more jobs to me. So I see a win-win path for both sides.

 

[morcutt11]

Still waiting for an answer to this, Mr. McCarthy.

*crickets*

Tim cook didn't ask for Apple users to donate to the SPLC. He did donate $1M of Apple's money to it, shared that in a letter with employees, and opened up donations to the SPLC on the Apple site.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Technically you are correct, but how can you hold a two-year old responsible for a crime their parents committed?
Provided they have grown up to become decent, moral citizens who contribute to our society, I'm all for letting them stay.

What should be addressed however is to not let this 'amnesty' become precedent setting for future law breakers.

Most of them should probably be let stay, but not through EO that just defers the deportation and gives them a work permit (=low cost labor for most part).
A well defined law is what is needed here.

 

[xmonkey]

This liberal will explain it better than I ever can.

I'm at work and can't watch videos so how about you explain in your own words instead of linking to YouTube? Should be easy enough given your initial conviction in condemning me.

 

[saudade]

Yes To Proposition 24

 

[WinterWolf90]

You're right, it was a ban. A ban on people coming from 3rd world ********s with little to no functioning governments (which means it's very difficult for the US government to vet these people), are rife with violent cartels, drug lords, terrorists, and have civil wars going on.

Nice places, right? You'll have to forgive me for not wanting that coming through our front door.

EDIT: Yes, it was entirely justified.

Go to a hospital. half the doctors are from the middle east. Hopefully your sorry ass doesn't ever need their help because regardless of how you feel about them, i'm sure they would take care of you even with your negative view on them.