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Obama created this mess by not following the legal steps for enacting legislation. He shouldn't have tried using the executive branch to dictate law over what Congress passes. Obama was a coward, instead of risking any political capital on an actual bill
You mean like this:

https://www.migrationexpert.com/us_...egislation_receives_support_from_us_president

Blocked (like so many other things) by a Republican filibuster ...
You may have liked the policy, but Trump removing Obama's illegal order was the correct legal thing to do.
There is nothing illegal about DACA.
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NPR highlighted a number of personal DACA stories the other day and one of the people (well two, it was a couple) they interviewed was a young couple, both in graduate school, that were covered by DACA but didn't apply for citizenship during that time because the fee was $2700 (I'm going from memory so that may not be exact) and they had trouble raising the funds. It's "popping up" because it's true.
I doubt that your recollection is accurate. For one, you cannot "apply for citizenship" without first becoming a lawful permanent resident.
 
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You're asking for a detailed history of the Democratic party? I guess Wikipedia would be a good place to start. If you're asking about major turning points in the political alignment of the DNC, Roosevelt and the New Deal is a big one, but it's a complex history. As for the present day, there is no question about where the parties now stand in relation to each other on the political spectrum. I'm sure that could be very different 100 years from now though.

Centrist Democrats and centrist Republicans have been pretty indistinguishable since the 90s.

Not a detailed history, just one period of bigotry reform in the Democrat Party. The New Deal was an economic scheme for unemployment, it wasn't a civil rights package. 30 years after the New Deal, Democrats were the antagonists during the 60's Civil Rights movement. What changed since? When did these noble Democrats send those naughty racists packing? :rolleyes:

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Racial bigotry by today's top Democrats:

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking!"
-Joe Biden (previous VP of the US)

"I will not let the white boys win in this election."
-Donna Brazile (Intern DNC Chair 2016-2017, former Al Gore campaign manager)

Hard Reid stated after being impressed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believing the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as a Obama — a 'light-skinned' African American with 'no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.'"
-Harry Reid (former Democrat Senator and Senate Majority Leader)

Taking a question from Robin Gandhi, an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska and a man of Indian descent: "You're not a member of the Taliban are you?"
-Chuck Hagel (Secretary of Defense Obama Administration, former Democrat Senator)

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."
-Barrack Obama (previous President of the US)
 
NPR highlighted a number of personal DACA stories the other day and one of the people (well two, it was a couple) they interviewed was a young couple, both in graduate school, that were covered by DACA but didn't apply for citizenship during that time because the fee was $2700 (I'm going from memory so that may not be exact) and they had trouble raising the funds. It's "popping up" because it's true.

But I'd bet every penny to my name they both had iPhone 4, then iPhone 5, then iPhone 6, and now iPhone 7. Every time I hear the argument "it's too expensive" to go through the process and they're interviewing someone and they have a $900 phone in their hand, it makes me laugh. Like all the welfare recipients who have a Samsung Galaxy S7 and they're out taking videos and protesting the cuts to medicare, food stamps, etc.... Definitely makes one say hmmmm.
 
We have a pathway to citizenship - an immigration process for being in this country legally. My ancestors followed it, I followed it when I adopted a child from another country.

Why people choose to blatantly break the law and why Liberal Democrats are fighting for them I don't know.

We are NOT closing the borders. We HAVE a process. Why don't Democrats understand this?

What makes you think only “liberal democrats” are fighting for them???
Reagan himself signed amnesty to illegal immigrats. You think that happened without GOP support?
 
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This was a rescinding of an Obama executive order? Something that Obama enacted without going through Congress to pass as a bill?

So yeah, your whole premise.... *Brrrkkkkrrrrrasssssshhhhhhh!!!*

Obama created this mess by not following the legal steps for enacting legislation. He shouldn't have tried using the executive branch to dictate law over what Congress passes. Obama was a coward, instead of risking any political capital on an actual bill, he skirted the law.

You may have liked the policy, but Trump removing Obama's illegal order was the correct legal thing to do.

You may want to read up on your history. The DREAM Act was introduced in .... wait for it....

August 1st, 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

Not only that, but it had also been re-introduced four times between 2009 and 2012.

My statement stands.

BL.
 
"protect the children of immigrants"

Those were not immigrants! They were illegal aliens! What don't people get about this?

Technically an immigrant is just a person who goes and lives permanently in a different country. What makes them legal or illegal are the laws of said country. Remember US immigration policy was a lot more open at one point.
 
The New Deal was an economic scheme for unemployment, it wasn't a civil rights package.
From the Wiki: "Under Roosevelt, the Democratic Party became identified more closely with modern liberalism, which included the promotion of social welfare, labor unions, civil rights, and the regulation of business. The opponents, who stressed long-term growth and support for entrepreneurship and low taxes, now started calling themselves 'conservatives.'"

[Racial bigotry by today's top Democrats:
Two of those quotes sounds like dumb, ill-advised jokes. Two of them are not racist. One is not even a quote.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond, if you're trying to convince me that Democrats are the party of racism in 2017. The President, a Republican, just weeks ago equated anti-racism protesters with white supremacists, saying that there was blame on both sides. Many Republicans condemned him, but not enough. The silence from his base was deafening.
 
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Two of those quotes sounds like dumb, ill-advised jokes. Two of them are not racist. One is not even a quote.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond, if you're trying to convince me that Democrats are the party of racism in 2017. The President, a Republican, just weeks ago equated anti-racism protesters with white supremacists, saying that there was blame on both sides. Many Republicans condemned him, but not enough. The silence from his base was deafening.

So a democrat says something that most would consider racist, and you say it's not racist, it's just a joke. Trump condemns both sides who were responsible for the issues in Charlottesville, and by condemning everyone who took part in the shenanigans, he's racist? Wow, unbelievable how unhinged you are.
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Remember US immigration policy was a lot more open at one point.

That point was a long long time ago.
 
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BTW, for those cheering Trump making this decision (and thinking dreamers are being deported); well they aren't going to be deported. Trump isn't enforcing deportation and companies are standing with Apple to push the legislation through. I'm VERY happy that we are going to keep the dreamers and have a better immigration plan. It wasn't till I listened to the news and pundits I really realized Trump just set to the legalization of the dreamers through congress. YAY! I'm glad republicans can't keep themselves together enough to do anything but get the liberal agenda pushed even further forward. I'm actually glad in this case Trump made this decision after learning the facts. :)
People can cheer Trump's action for a multitude of reasons having nothing to do with the false belief that he's deporting DACA enrollees. I really don't understand what is so difficult to understand here or why this has to be so politicized. Obama enacted DACA. It was 1) a temporary measure and 2) something that he believed and was advised was not in his legal authority to do. Trump is simply putting it back in Congress's lap to deal with. Congress is legally empowered to set immigration law and should be as they represent the people (vs. having a single individual set that policy).
 
Trump condemns both sides who were responsible for the issues in Charlottesville, and by condemning everyone who took part in the shenanigans, he's racist?.
Let's be clear: the Charlottesville protests were initiated by white supremacist groups. Anti-racist protesters were attacked, and in one case, killed by these disgusting wannabe-Nazis. Both sides do not share blame. Trump's comments were repulsive. A large number of Republicans said so, too -- just not enough.

As for the quotes posted above -- at worst, they're insensitive. I wouldn't even dispute the idea that there's racism within the Democratic party. But the Republicans have become a bunch of spineless enablers, unable or unwilling to stand up to their treasonous, mentally unstable leader, because he promised them tax cuts. In 2017, the Republican party has become a cesspool.
 
You mean like this:

https://www.migrationexpert.com/us_...egislation_receives_support_from_us_president

Blocked (like so many other things) by a Republican filibuster ...
There is nothing illegal about DACA.

One sentence paraphrasing Obama about 'doubling down' in 2011 and that's the best you found of him risking political capital to get DACA passed by Congress? What a hero. :rolleyes:

Democrats certainly didn't bother with DACA when they had a Congressional majority and Obama in office. So... cowards. Filibuster? They didn't bother doing it when it might have lost them Congressional seats, then after they lost their majority (I wonder why?) they floated a dog bill, blamed it on the other side and Obama decided to ignore immigration law for the last 2 of his 8 years in office. Real heroic party. :rolleyes:
 
You mean like this:

https://www.migrationexpert.com/us_...egislation_receives_support_from_us_president

Blocked (like so many other things) by a Republican filibuster ...
There is nothing illegal about DACA.
[doublepost=1504652725][/doublepost]I doubt that your recollection is accurate. For one, you cannot "apply for citizenship" without first becoming a lawful permanent resident.
Then he did not do a good of persuading or using the bully pulpit. He certainly didn't do a good job of convincing the American public, who again and again voted Republicans into office (see, 2010, 2014, 2016).

Subverting the law is not the solution when you don't get your way. Unless you're Obama, I guess.
 
That's the heart of the problem. These kids have been left in legal limbo for years. The DREAM act was supposed to resolve this issue, but Congress has been kicking the can down the road for over 15 years now.
That is incorrect. DACA was a temporary measure and, at the time Obama enact it through executive action, a measure that he knew that he lacked the legal authority to do and not likely to survive legal challenges. DACA was a program that merely delayed deportation and allowed DACA enrollees obtain work permits. Obama knew that any permanent solution would need to be enacted by Congress, but he likewise knew that wasn't going to happen - including when Democrats had control of the Congress back in 2008.
 
Not a detailed history, just one period of bigotry reform in the Democrat Party. The New Deal was an economic scheme for unemployment, it wasn't a civil rights package. 30 years after the New Deal, Democrats were the antagonists during the 60's Civil Rights movement. What changed since? When did these noble Democrats send those naughty racists packing? :rolleyes:

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Racial bigotry by today's top Democrats:

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking!"
-Joe Biden (previous VP of the US)

"I will not let the white boys win in this election."
-Donna Brazile (Intern DNC Chair 2016-2017, former Al Gore campaign manager)

Hard Reid stated after being impressed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believing the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as a Obama — a 'light-skinned' African American with 'no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.'"
-Harry Reid (former Democrat Senator and Senate Majority Leader)

Taking a question from Robin Gandhi, an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska and a man of Indian descent: "You're not a member of the Taliban are you?"
-Chuck Hagel (Secretary of Defense Obama Administration, former Democrat Senator)

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."
-Barrack Obama (previous President of the US)

Interesting list. I don't think all of those things are racist though I do think some are. The Donna Brazille one is probably inside jokes with colleagues, although maybe not the best choice of words.

But hey there is still racism to go around in the GOP too. Since you mentioned a president last, let's look to someone who is president now. Was years of birthism by Trump towards Obama racist? Yes or no? How about when Trump has repeatedly refered to Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas?
 
Exactly, Apple could solve their problems instantly, but will they?
Exactly! They can easily help these people out or maybe some employees of Apple that makes millions should start adopting these kids. Apple spent billions to build that ridiculous Apple Park yet these people it only cost Apple a spare change to provide their needs. I would say do this Tim lead the way and people will look him up and follow his example. I know Tim can pull this out and make this world a better place and America will be great not because of Trump but because of Tim and Apple's example. This is exciting!
 
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One sentence paraphrasing Obama about 'doubling down' in 2011 and that's the best you found of him risking political capital to get DACA passed by Congress?
The DREAM act was introduced in Congress in 2009, again in 2010, and again in 2011, each time supported by Obama. What is your bar for "risking political capital"?
Democrats certainly didn't bother with DACA when they had a Congressional majority and Obama in office.
Huh? The introduced versions of the DREAM act THREE TIMES.
 
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Interesting list. I don't think all of those things are racist though I do think some are. The Donna Brazille one is probably inside jokes with colleagues, although maybe not the best choice of words.

But hey there is still racism to go around in the GOP too. Since you mentioned a president last, let's look to someone who is president now. Was years of birthism by Trump towards Obama racist? Yes or no? How about when Trump has repeatedly refered to Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas?
I don't know if "birtherism" is inherently racist.
The DREAM act was introduced in Congress in 2009, again in 2010, and again in 2011, each time supported by Obama. What is your bar for "risking political capital"?
Huh? The introduced versions of the DREAM act THREE TIMES.
And none passed. And Trump and Republicans won election after election with repeal of DACA being a platform, at least for Trump.

That's how a democracy works in a market place of ideas.
 
That is incorrect. DACA was a temporary measure
The post you replied to was about the DREAM act. I assume you know that there is a difference?
a measure that he knew that he lacked the legal authority to do and not likely to survive legal challenges.
Nonsense. There were several legal challenges (including a lawsuit by convicted criminal Joe Arpaio), and every single one was dismissed.
 
look at Tim Crook:

1. stash $260 Billion in cash oversees so you he doesn't pay taxes to the US government
2. asks the US government for billions in tax breaks
3. asks people for money to support the hate group SPLC
3. Hires millions of people in China and India for a few dollars a week in workplaces and residential buildings with suicide nets
4. Constantly criticize the government for protecting American lives and jobs
5. Invests in the left party in order to try to control the government for his New World Order globalist agenda

are you surprised Tim is pushing for Illegal Immigration that will destroy America ?

No. I agree. Tim has outgrown his American identity if he ever had one.
 
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Let's be clear: the Charlottesville protests were initiated by white supremacist groups. Anti-racist protesters were attacked, and in one case, killed by these disgusting wannabe-Nazis. Both sides do not share blame. That is revisionism and delusion. Trump's comments were vile and repulsive. A large number of Republicans said so too. Just not enough.

As for the quotes posted above -- at worst, they're insensitive. I wouldn't even dispute the idea that there's racism within the Democratic party. But the Republicans have become a bunch of spineless enablers, unable or unwilling to stand up to their treasonous, mentally unstable leader, because he promised them tax cuts. In 2017, the Republican party has become a cesspool.

Charlottesville was a toxic mix of morons, bigots on both sides from the organizers down to the supporters. Trying to claim moral superiority is the desperate act of a partisan zealot.

In short, when 'your' side shows up clubs and bottles full of their own urine to throw... you've already lost.

Educate yourself... go learn about who Wes Bellamy is, the guy on the alt-left who instigated this whole Charlottesville statue removal thing, along with his resignation from the Board of Education regarding his documented bigoted past, a mere 7 months before all this.

It's simple math: if the left wants to claim moral superiority in civil rights, stop promoting bigots on the left to leadership roles.
 
Let's be clear: the Charlottesville protests were initiated by white supremacist groups. Anti-racist protesters were attacked, and in one case, killed by these disgusting wannabe-Nazis. Both sides do not share blame. Trump's comments were repulsive. A large number of Republicans said so, too -- just not enough.

As for the quotes posted above -- at worst, they're insensitive. I wouldn't even dispute the idea that there's racism within the Democratic party. But the Republicans have become a bunch of spineless enablers, unable or unwilling to stand up to their treasonous, mentally unstable leader, because he promised them tax cuts. In 2017, the Republican party has become a cesspool.

Again, missing the point here... so you have blatant racism in these quotes. You're dismissive.

You have a weak condemnation of the white supremacists, and that's racist? WOW.

So if the car is blue, and I say it's green, I'm right, it was probably just a joke.

But if the car is blue and I say it's a bluish color, I'm a bloody idiot for not saying it's ABSOLUTELY UNEQUIVOCALLY BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE???

Yep, that's really how democrats think now. The rules of the TV\internet trolling only apply to situations in which you agree with the side. LOL
 
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