Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter

[Jeremy1026]

or born here without any choice

If they were born here they'd be US Citizens, so that isn't the case in any of those affected by this decision.

 

[amegicfox]

people in this forum keep saying illegal immigrants will clean your house for $5 / hour ?

WHEN ? WHERE ?

Illegal Cleaning ladies/nannies will charge at least (if you are lucky) $40 / hour and they want cash

Illegal immigrants in construction want thousands to do any kind of work (without insurance) and you are lucky if they finish it or and things don't break in a month

it is illegal, dangerous and unfair to hard working Americans as well as the illegals and the people who hire them

 

[iReality85]

Why would you punish someone for a crime they did not commit? Absolutely no one on earth appreciates being at fault for something they did not do.

Whatever your view, this amounts to punishing a person for the sins of their parents. And that's just sad.

I don't know what your political leanings are, but this is pretty much the way I feel when the Left tells white people (e.g. me) they need to pay reparations 150+ years later.

So yes, that kind of attitude is sad and being blamed for something that was no fault of yours does suck.

 

[xmonkey]

Actually when it comes to immigration liberals (not the parties) are in agreement that something must be done to reform the system. The temp workers visa's 800K per year depress wages for Americans with the lowest skills. They are forced to compete against non citizens. Might be a reason for no wage gains for the lower third of the workforce. If we allow children who come here with their parents to stay we are putting out a sign saying "come here illegally and your kids can stay". Nope can't have that. So in the end these kids are really not citizens. Their parents knew this and they did as well.

Nothing stopped their parents from going back to the country they came from with the kids and doing things the legal way.

I'm all for immigration reform, have been for awhile. Unfortunately the Congress we have is not interested. Trump doesn't need to threaten to rescind DACA and deport these people to get Congress to act. If immigration reform is his goal then he can advocate for that without putting these specific people in the crosshairs.

 

[lunarworks]

Didn't realize there were so many trumpets on this site. Sad.

You haven't been paying attention lately, then. The comments here have turned into an alt-right cesspit over the past few years.

 

[Rigby]

Apple could get them work visas within this 6 months.

Actually, no they couldn't. DACA does not change the person's lawful status, without which you are not eligible for a visa. Besides, a work visa wouldn't solve their problem, which is not obtaining a work permit (DACA already grants that), but being able to permanently stay in the country they grew up in. What is really needed is a path to permanent residency and eventually citizenship, which currently does not exist.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Well, you ask some fair questions.
1) DACA is a program created through executive order for children that were brought to the US (not born here - those don't need DACA protection). It set forth a criteria (age, duration in US, education, crime-free record, etc.) to identify people that were more likely a benefit to the United States vs. criminals or other illegal aliens.
2) DACA was likely started with good intentions, but it was done through executive branch (Obama Administration) action, not as an act of congress. It raised legal questions as to what authority the President had to waive immigration law.
3) Trump is addressing the #2 issue above by saying that, if Congress wants to keep DACA, then it must enact law(s) to do so. It should be the one to alter immigration law accordingly.
4) Illegal aliens in the US are an issue. Ignoring the issues of the increase burden on social programs, education, etc. as well as crimes committed by some of these immigrants, they are also an affront to those who do come to the US legally and go through the legal process to become citizens. This type of illegal immigration wouldn't be tolerated in most countries and it is illogical to expect different of the US.

Frankly, I think that this is a brilliant move by Trump. Democrats and Republicans alike have both come out and said that DACA should stay, so he is putting it to them to make it happen. This is a Congress that can't get together to do anything, so now that they have a common cause (at least that is their claim), then maybe they will learn to actually pass legislation. Then they can move on to Tax Reform and other issues.

I wholehartedly agree.
Let's not forget that DACA was enacted in 2012. I can see the Executive Branch enacting it as a quick-fix to a much larger problem (after all, it's a deferral), but here we are 5 years later with all parties (and big companies!) saying that those that fall under DACA are important etc., yet no one moved a finger for five years to pass a law that fix the precarious situation of DACA's recipients.

 

[magicschoolbus]

Oh look - Obama Grandstanding for a Border "Fence".

Oh look - Hillary wanting a border "fence"

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

I am for strong immigration laws, hate DACA, and I hate immigrants that live in the US for years and never learn a single word of English.
But no way I will accept a language test for immigration purposes.

I'm confused by your logic...you hate immigrants that don't speak any English, but you're against making a basic requirement that they learn English...so as long as it's their own idea to learn English, then you're OK with that?

 

[webbuzz]

He's going to move them to Ireland.

 

[mkeeley]

Unless you are descended from a Native American tribe, you really aren't either. And I'd prefer any of these dreamers to any of the native-born dregs we have here who seem to be more into opioids, white supremacy, and militias than contributing to this nation.

At least most aren't illegally there.

 

[lostngone]

All of my very white ancestors hopped boats and got here first, settled and then figured out how to become citizens. Nobody batted an eye.

And see what happened to the Native Americans! That is what happens when you don't secure your borders!

Maybe things would have turned out differently if they killed all your "white ancestors" the second they got off the boat or that first winter.

 

[morcutt11]

People need to remember Muller is getting closer to the whole Russian Collusion this is just Trump trying to distract the bigger issue and how his son committed treason even his son-in-law. Why is Trump hiding his Tax Returns when he is the one constantly breaking Tax Laws and making excuses such as "If I can get away with it why is it wrong" while his crying about DACA people and how they don't pay taxes. Donald Trump is the king of Tin Foil and Alex Jones is the queen of Tin Foil news. Donald Trump does not know any of the American constitution except for the second amendment he does not even know about American History which has been proven with Andrew Jackson and a General who states stopped Muslims.

This comment doesn't really add value - it is just a repeat of Democratic talking points. Russian collusion has been claimed since before Trump took office. The DNC and its members have done their best to keep this theory alive in spite of no evidence. We have heard, consistently, that Trump would be Putin's puppet and there is not only no evidence of that, there is evidence to the contrary as our conflicts with Russia have increased. If Trump and/or members of his administration/campaign staff committed illegal acts, then the Muller investigation will bring that out and it will be dealt with then. Continuously raising this issue in the meantime clearly only serves as a deliberate act to undermine the Presidency which is pretty sad and pathetic.

As for your assertions that Trump doesn't know any of the constitution, that is just an absurd statement. Not only is he an educated person but he is surrounded by constitutional lawyers. His tax returns aren't the issue either. The issue here is illegal immigrants that are in the US and the programs that support their ability to stay there. Trump didn't arbitrarily end DACA - he afforded Congress sufficient opportunity to act by enacting changes to the immigration law, allowing the 'Dreamers' to stay in the US, which is the way the DACA should have been enacted anyway.

 

[yaxomoxay]

I'm confused by your logic...you hate immigrants that don't speak any English, but you're against making a basic requirement that they learn English...so as long as it's their own idea to learn English, then you're OK with that?

Yep.
The reason is simple, linked to the 1A. If immigrants have to pass a true English language test, then English must be legally defined. Even if the legal definition is "whatever Merriam-Webster says." such move would empower the government to completely control language, with all the possible consequences. I will never agree to that.

 

[barbu]

"America promises all its people"

"Dreamers" are not American.

I respectfully and utterly disagree with your opinion. I find your comment unfair, unintelligent, uncouth, and unbefitting a civilized person. Your harsh judgment over fellow countrymen betrays an inherent fear and weakness.

 

[Kaibelf]

Are we really going to the native Americans? I guess that nobody is a citizen of anywhere since somebody at some time was displaced by somebody else.

And besides, I'm talking about US citizenship today, which has zero to do with Native Americans and things that happened in the 1800's.

I know you know this.

Also, you can just go ahead and say "white trash." I think that is what you meant to say. No need to be shy---the condescension and sneering was dripping from your comment.

As someone who grew up in Indiana, yes, they are white trash, including members of my own family. And no, I'm not afraid to say it.

 

[yaxomoxay]

I respectfully and utterly disagree with your opinion. I find your comment unfair, unintelligent, uncouth, and unbefitting a civilized person. Your harsh judgment over fellow countrymen betrays an inherent fear and weakness.

Mmm, they are not Americans (as in US citizens), exactly as Permanent Residents (green card holders) are not Americans.

 

[mkeeley]

But they are people, and as such should be treated like it.



The same person that hires immigrants for Mar-a-lago and sends clothing production out of the country instead of providing jobs here? You mean that person?

You're funny.

They can be treated like people in their own country.

 

[lowendlinux]

I don't know what your political leanings are, but this is pretty much the way I feel when the Left tells white people (e.g. me) they need to pay reparations 150+ years later.

So yes, that kind of attitude is sad and being blamed for something that was no fault of yours does suck.

The left doesn't tell you that some people on the left do.

 

[amegicfox]

I remember when MacRumors was mostly academics, students and people in the creative industry. Conversation on these boards was so much more civilized. Now that Apple has become a mass market brand, the floodgates have opened. Presently the lack of class and basic human decency here is disheartening.

it is Tim Crook that started shoving down our throat his disgusting communist agenda instead of releasing new and revolutionary Mac Mini, Mac Pros etc.

Instead of releasing new products Tim asks us for money for racist and hate groups with hundreds of millions like the
Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[shk718]

Well, you ask some fair questions.
1) DACA is a program created through executive order for children that were brought to the US (not born here - those don't need DACA protection). It set forth a criteria (age, duration in US, education, crime-free record, etc.) to identify people that were more likely a benefit to the United States vs. criminals or other illegal aliens.
2) DACA was likely started with good intentions, but it was done through executive branch (Obama Administration) action, not as an act of congress. It raised legal questions as to what authority the President had to waive immigration law.
3) Trump is addressing the #2 issue above by saying that, if Congress wants to keep DACA, then it must enact law(s) to do so. It should be the one to alter immigration law accordingly.
4) Illegal aliens in the US are an issue. Ignoring the issues of the increase burden on social programs, education, etc. as well as crimes committed by some of these immigrants, they are also an affront to those who do come to the US legally and go through the legal process to become citizens. This type of illegal immigration wouldn't be tolerated in most countries and it is illogical to expect different of the US.

Frankly, I think that this is a brilliant move by Trump. Democrats and Republicans alike have both come out and said that DACA should stay, so he is putting it to them to make it happen. This is a Congress that can't get together to do anything, so now that they have a common cause (at least that is their claim), then maybe they will learn to actually pass legislation. Then they can move on to Tax Reform and other issues.

isn't Trump doing the same thing with borders that Obama did with the DACA??? an executive order to change immigration policy? Suddenly he's brilliant??? no - he's a racist -

 

[IPPlanMan]

You can't blame "Dreamers" for not understanding how laws are passed.

President Obama didn't know either.

DACA Was Already Litigated and Debated in 2016

The American people have already had the DACA debate. Hillary Clinton promised to expand DACA. Trump promised to end DACA.

Trump won.

 

[WinterWolf90]

Americans clearly wanted this seeing how they VOTED for Trump.

True, but more people voted for Hillary than him, unfortunately the way the system is set up, we lost due to the way the votes are counted. That makes four times for democrats that we lost the electoral and won the popular. And don't give me that "well the coasts would settle all the elections" crap, because that isn't true. People say they won't have a vote due to the blue coast states, but I have lived in Tennessee since I could vote and my vote has never counted either.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Russian collusion has been claimed since before Trump took office.

Because it was happening before he took office.

The DNC and its members have done their best to keep this theory alive in spite of no evidence.

You must be absolutely kidding. Or completely out of touch. Junior was colluding with them over his email account! And met with them in Trump Tower.

 

[amegicfox]

There was a very interesting article from the NY Times that lays out the case that bringing in more immigrants and deporting multigenerational Americans would make this country stronger.

The stats were pretty telling; immigrants create more jobs, do better in school and commit less crimes.

Based on some of the xenophobic comments I read here and elsewhere; blaming immigrants, looking for handouts from the govt, wanting to turn back the clock and make this country more dependent on coal and oil (seriously??), the article looks more convincing by the day.

you are correct LEGAL immigrants will improve the US.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/08/02/president-donald-j-trump-backs-raise-act