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The companies that steal private user-data are the most profitable companies on the planet. They will be allowed to continue, for that one reason. Wall Street loves them.
 
So to make you feel whole about this, Apple should just close up shop in China? (Or be expelled) Or is under an obligation to follow the country's laws it is doing business in?

It would be more than enough if they just stopped bragging about something they don't practice.
 
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So to make you feel whole about this, Apple should just close up shop in China? (Or be expelled) Or is under an obligation to follow the country's laws it is doing business in?

Apple shouldn't be bragging about their privacy policy. At this point they are just hypocritical.
 
Apple shouldn't be bragging about their privacy policy. At this point they are just hypocritical.
I disagree, they are candid about their privacy policy. They are following local laws in China.
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It would be more than enough if they just stopped bragging about something they don't practice.
They are forthcoming about their policy. They have to follow local laws. Do you want them to close up shop in China so you feel better?
 
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So hypothetically if Uber paid Apple to allow fingerprinting of iOS devices and there was an option in settings to turn it off, you would be okay with it?

The average user never changes the default search which is the main reason Google pays Apple.
Not dealing with hypotheticals, reality is what reality is.
 
Not dealing with hypotheticals, reality is what reality is.
That's exactly what you are saying though. As long as Apple allows an option to change search engines buried in the settings its okay to make Google the default and accept money. So they could accept money from Uber and Facebook and allow data mining on their platforum by offering an option to disable it in settings.
 
Apple is “on your side”! “Yeah, well as long as you pay our whopping price for our devices and our services, why wouldn’t we be?”
 
I disagree, they are candid about their privacy policy. They are following local laws in China.
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They are forthcoming about their policy. They have to follow local laws. Do you want them to close up shop in China so you feel better?

They are obliging to the Chinese law, so they can do business there. But it is with a cost... Apple gave the Chinese government the keys to their servers, so they can see and check what their citizens are doing. So for more revenue Apple just threw their privacy policy out the window.
 
1. I don't think we are talking here specifically about Apple events like the WWDC, but in general: interviews and any other public statement.

2. Not few will consider, among other stuff, the Apple watch gay band as an Apple political statement supporting the gay comunity, which obviously is in itself neither good not bad, but just a political statement directly related to the sexual preference of Apple's CEO. They are as free to do it as we are to discuss it. Even to disagree.

3. Sure other companies support different causes, mostly as a commercial strategy. Of course they are free to do it, as well as Apple is free to support whatever cause they want. However this forum is about Apple and we normally don't discuss about other companies. We talk about Apple here.

4. The fellow can be gay or watever he wants. I 100% support his freedom to live his life as he wants. I honestly don't care. I just wish people could keep their sexual preferences to their private lives and away from technology.

5. The same applies to pink unicorns.
Only you people that seems to have this irrational thoughts of some political agenda just because Apple supports gay pride. Tim Cook’s orientation doesn’t matter, and Apple supports various things (eg. product Red).

If you really don’t care, then don’t. Apple is doing this as Apple, not Tim pushing some agenda.
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You do understand Apple outsources it’s iPhone manufacturing starting from Jobs. And Apple does demand responsibility from its’ manufacturing partners.
It’s pointless to even try to talk with these people. Their heads are already firm in hatred towards Tim Cook, period. Apple can cure cancer for all we care, and these people will still hate Apple. They are so firm that they want companies like Google to invade their privacy that any company trying to reject that notion is unacceptable.
 
Anything Good can be seen as Bad in the Wrong eyes,

Privacy is a Fundamental Human Right
 
I don't see Tim Cook as a political person. Maybe relative to Jobs but I'd rather have Cook's advocacy than Jobs'. Things that he's spoken out about are largely about values important to Apple and things that I think most people agree about. Climate change, DACA, privacy, gay rights, etc. I'd rather have someone of his importance defending these important issues than ignoring them. I agree that he would not do well in the political arena though, I think that's more of what he's saying.
No, "most" people don't believe those things. Get off the internet and into the real world more often.
 
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The user privacy has nothing to do with what Tim Cook is saying. Protecting the user privacy implies giving us the power to avoid that none of our data is sent through apps. But the whole of the current Apple business is about our data and the “big data” trend, so Tim Cook will keep pretending that not collaborating with the FBI in crime investigation and the hypocritical disabling of these “like” buttons means something for our privacy. No, that doesn’t have anything to do with privacy. To begin with, one of the first steps in respecting our privacy is letting us choose to stay in former iOS versions that collect less data from us. But Apple business depends on services from our data... so please, Tim shut up because you are not being honest.

The day you give to iOS the same degree of user freedom that old OSX versions had, the day you stop those nagging pop ups that later you use for pretending that 95% of users want your updates, and the day when iOS lets the user completely stop collecting any data -yes, even locally in the device- (and stop deciding when I have a new memory... please Apple memories are mine, not decided by the Photos app), then when that day comes, you’ll be able to talk about protecting the user privacy.

Wrong, how do they money on data? Other than getting money from Google for making their search default-which can be easily disabled.
 
It’s pointless to even try to talk with these people. Their heads are already firm in hatred towards Tim Cook, period. Apple can cure cancer for all we care, and these people will still hate Apple. They are so firm that they want companies like Google to invade their privacy that any company trying to reject that notion is unacceptable.

Apple curing cancer? How do I sign up for this sermon? That sounds pretty realistic to me!

Aside from that, I just downloaded my Google data (all 3 GB of it), and Google only has my YouTube views. That's because as a consumer I didn't opt into everything and read the options to check/uncheck what I want them to track of me. Granted, perhaps they have information on me that they didn't reveal in my downloaded data. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple did the same.

Work for any service based conglomerate. You would have to be completely naive to think that no service company tracks your data whether it's private or not.
 
Apple curing cancer? How do I sign up for this sermon? That sounds pretty realistic to me!

Aside from that, I just downloaded my Google data (all 3 GB of it), and Google only has my YouTube views. That's because as a consumer I didn't opt into everything and read the options to check/uncheck what I want them to track of me. Granted, perhaps they have information on me that they didn't reveal in my downloaded data. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple did the same.

Work for any service based conglomerate. You would have to be completely naive to think that no service company tracks your data whether it's private or not.
They are not service -based - there was an article on someone who asked and got all data Apple had on them, a ridculously small amount...
 
I don't have any problem with Tim Cook besides the fact that he's put physical design over function too often, or let it happen, and at the same time raised consumer prices for less function. Other than that he's a great guy.
Yeah, there's never going to be anyone quite like Steve. He was a designer and a CEO visionary who had a good intuition for knowing what worked, what didn't, and how to balance form and function. He worked well with Jony and now Tim is trusting Jony to make these design decisions that Tim doesn't fully know the answers to. Jony is still learning and growing as a designer without Steve and I think he is learning some important lessons in Steve's absence.
 
They are obliging to the Chinese law, so they can do business there. But it is with a cost... Apple gave the Chinese government the keys to their servers, so they can see and check what their citizens are doing. So for more revenue Apple just threw their privacy policy out the window.
To do business in China, Apple had to obey the government. Their privacy policy didn’t go out of the window. Can’t catch Apple on something the local government forced them to do.
 
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Perhaps, but getting paid $1B/year+ to do it while preaching about protecting your users' privacy is the height of hypocrisy.

Actually, I'd argue that removing VPNs from the Chinese App Store would be a bit more hypocrital.
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To do business in China, Apple had to obey the government. Their privacy policy didn’t go out of the window. Can’t catch Apple on something the local government forced them to do.

Or they could just buy China.
 
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That's exactly what you are saying though. As long as Apple allows an option to change search engines buried in the settings its okay to make Google the default and accept money. So they could accept money from Uber and Facebook and allow data mining on their platforum by offering an option to disable it in settings.
No reality is reality. If google wants to throw money at Apple let them. It doesn’t change the apple’s privacy policy or Google’s privacy policy whether google gives Apple no money, 10 cents or a billion dollars.
 
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