Apple CEO Tim Cook Publicly Comes Out as Gay in Letter Declaring Support for Equality

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Lewis Black explains religion

I would love to have the faith to believe that it took place in seven days, but... I have thoughts, and that can really **** up the faith thing, just ask any Catholic priest.

 

[NewbieCanada]

Do you really need a allegorical book to tell you that killing someone is wrong ? Treat everyone with respect ? Do not steal ? These are common sense rule. We also have laws that enforce these values. Religion nor god is needed for any of it.

The world didn't end when kids find out that santa claus didn't exist. The same thing would happen with the whole world came to the same conclusion that some of us did. : god doesn't exist and its not the end of the world.

So far the bible hasn't made him treat people with respect. I hope it's had more success in other areas

 

[Symtex]

I find that religion frees my mind. When someone challenges mine, I find it interesting to find the answer to their question.

One interesting thing I do know is that science cannot explain God, as it is not the correct instrument for that. Kind of like measuring blood sugar with a ruler.

As for the things you want to Google, could you please help us read from the same article and post it here? (Kind of funny, as there are at least 68 different bibles out there)

You cannot explain something that doesn't exist. If you claim god exist, it is your burden to provide scientific data that reinforce your argument. Not anecdotal stories written thousands of years ago.

 

[mozumder]

Most people don't give a damn about other peoples sexuality it's the shoving it down other people's throat by that I mean tellin me everyone their gay. Just get on with your lives.

Excuse the pun btw.

Incorrect.

Most people do give a damn about other people's sexuality, as their religious upbringing conditions them to.

That is why their sexuality needs to be promoted and "shoved down their throat" in order to repair the damage from their religious upbringing.

It's a good way to fix the problems of religion.

 

[NewbieCanada]

Most people don't give a damn about other peoples sexuality it's the shoving it down other people's throat by that I mean tellin me everyone their gay. Just get on with your lives.

Excuse the pun btw.

Yes, right. It's all OUR fault for demanding not to be spit on both literally and legally.

 

[glxyjones]

Sounds like you're trying to make an argument along the lines that an animal eating a young child is somehow doing God's will. The machine of the world went bonk thanks to Adam's sin. We wouldn't expect things to work properly ever since. Have I missed your point?

My point was that you made a reference to "free-will beings." I was simply pointing out that by your logic, animals fall into that category since certains species are "choosing" to be heterosexual.

I do not wish to enter a debate with you since it is impossible to win an argument with someone who doesn't base their premise in reason but instead in a story made up to explain the gaps in human knowledge.

But please, continue spewing your hate and intolerance while masking it as concern and empathy, don't let me slow you down.

 

[robbyx]

See - this is just the typical response. Take an hour and go read the internet. Get educated. Why should I have to educate you on a major social issue - especially one that intimately involves you? When you understand others you are more likely to be able to persuade them. As we can see on this board hate and ignorance from either side is incredibly unpersuasive.

I also did not say it was my opinion. Just educated people or at least people that pretend learn about more than one side of an issue.

Knock yourself out: www.google.com. Its not that hard.

Wrong. You're the bigot who said there are hundreds of reasons that have nothing to do with God for why gay marriage shouldn't be legal. It's on YOU to explain yourself. So don't be a coward and tell him to use Google. Name some reasons.

 

[Mums]

They can't label *YOU*, but you can label anyone else?

That's HYPOCRITE.

I'm not interested in labelling you or anyone. But if you impose your will on me I will oppose your aggression.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

The fact that you refuse to recognize or acknowledge that you act in an extremely hateful manner to people who've done you no harm does absolutely nothing to change the fact that you do hateful things and are motivated by hateful beliefs.

Give me an example of where I have done that and I will certainly apologize.

 

[bkushner]

You feel bad for me because I think homosexuality is wrong? Why?

I might have worded my statement badly...but I'm just saying I think that homosexuality is very wrong. We all have freedom to believe things to be wrong. I am not going to shove my believe into other peoples minds, won't try.

Maybe someday you will have a homosexual child and your eyes will open to the real world.

 

[robbyx]

Give me an example of where I have done that and I will certainly apologize.

Ha. What a joke. You're so steeped in your religious bigotry that you can't even see yourself clearly. Go read your own posts and if you don't get it, well, nothing anyone can say will make you see it.

 

[brianvictor7]

I feel sorry for you, really, I do. You have shown yourself to be an ignorant, hateful, cantankerous individual who cares more about spreading your lies like the venereal diseases you compare others to being. You're one of the very few who have made my block list, not because I do not agree with what you think is right, but because of how you treat others and what you believe others to be. I feel for you, and if there is a God and an afterlife, I sincerely pray you see the wrong in your ways and find true redemption. Otherwise, you and others like yourself who claim to speak the word of God through hatred and ignorance have no place in my world.

Good luck, I mean it.

I'm genuniely saddened that you feel this way. Please tell me this, how quickly would we end VDs, sex trafficking, prostitution, and a large number of unwanted pregnancies if everyone would behavior sexually as the Bible prescribes, regardless of inclinations? The cure to our broken world is hard: self-control usually is, but self-control is the only cure to these problems. And if anything has impressed me in life, it is that self-control on the order needed to live honorably is only possible with divine assistance.

 

[rdowns]

But there are hundreds of reasons to oppose gay marriage that have nothing to do with God but no one knows about them because that would take mental effort, compassion, and empathy on the side of the people pushing for gay marriage and its so much easier to say, "THEY HATE US." But also so dumb.

I'm listening. I'll take 5 of the hundreds.

Post them here:
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[robbyx]

Maybe someday you will have a homosexual child and your eyes will open to the real world.

Right. Funny how straights keep making gay babies..........

 

[bkar89]

Actually, no. You get no more boobs now versus the years prior to Tim's coming out publically.

Are you available for parties?

 

[robbyx]

I'm genuniely saddened that you feel this way. Please tell me this, how quickly would we end VDs, sex trafficking, prostitution, and a large number of unwanted pregnancies if everyone would behavior sexually as the Bible prescribes, regardless of inclinations? The cure to our broken world is hard: self-control usually is, but self-control is the only cure to these problems. And if anything has impressed me in life, it is that self-control on the order needed to live honorably is only possible with divine assistance.

Ah, that explains it! Because YOU can't control yourself, the rest of us should all be forced to live according to the bible! Got it. Yes, let's stone people. Let's force women to marry their rapists. There's so much good stuff in that book!!! Or do you mean only the parts of the bible that fit with your view of the world???

 

[brianvictor7]

My point was that you made a reference to "free-will beings." I was simply pointing out that by your logic, animals fall into that category since certains species are "choosing" to be heterosexual.

Why would this be a concern? Animals are not people.

 

[iPad Air]

I found that statement ironic. You came here posting with homosexuality is wrong with the only argument that its against your religious beliefs. That's the extend of your argument.

I will give you a fair share to explain your point of view but know in advance that my disagreement with your point of view doesn't mean I didn't give you a fair share. To be honest, you seems to be a moderate christian which I would take over any fundamentalist one. It doesn't change the fact that your whole argument is "Because a book written thousands of years ago said so". The reality there is no argument that would justify in any shape or form discrimination against homosexuality. Religious beliefs or not aside.

So feel free to express your opinion on the subject and I will be more than happy to exchange with you my point of view knowingly that we will probably have to disagree with each other.

Know this in advance: I would certainly like some exchanging of our views without us..."destroying" one another with words. I really appreciate your willingness to proceed that way. Many people would not do so without putting me out. I am ok to disagree with you. In the end, we are two people just trying help the other understand and consider our view/belief.

First, I would like to say this. I usually do not label myself as a "Christian". I prefer not to put any kind of "label" on myself. I am simply (trying to be) a servant of the one and only creator of everything we know to be physical. The reason I know about this God is because of the scriptures that He ensured would last through time...what we call the Holy Bible. Who else, other than a Lord who can see all and exist in a realm beyond what we can see, keep these incredible words intact through such a long period? There are many different accounts of happenings in the scriptures: everything from men who do evil things, to men who do righteous things. All in all, it is a book that tells us how we can live righteously, and obtain life after our physical one is over.

 

[tito2020]

Ah, because REAL MEN make fun of those different than they? Are you 9?!?!?

Yes im different im straight and married to a WOMEN.

 

[Symtex]

That is an interesting choice of words. Which religion are you referring to when you say "religious people"?

They are wildly different.

From my perspective, Christianity is promoting nothing but love, forgiveness, redemption and peace. Anyone who does otherwise is not a Christian.

I concede that terrible things have been done in its name, by people who claim to be Christians. The same can be said for Darwinists (Hitler being the worst example) and just about any other group out there, religious or otherwise.

My goal is to clarify some of these things; to let people know that there is hope and love out there, for everybody. God will judge everyone. I try not to (not my job).

But He also told us what right and wrong is. It is my responsibility to inform, nothing more. I stick to that message, but I understand that others may not.

I'm fine with that.

Hate and anger are not necessary, or implied (in my posts, at least).

If a "good christian" is nothing but filled with love why are they still not allowing woman to be ordain as priest ? Why is the vatican is still publicly posting on their website that homosexual tendencies are a sin ?

So much love here...I just gave you 2 examples. One of mysogyny and one of discrimination.

Note : Hitler was catholic not an atheist.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Judging by the reactions in this thread I'd say Tim did the right thing. It has sparked a conversation amongst people who obviously need to confront this subject.

And seriously. If you think heterosexuals don't shove their orientation in everyone's face 24/7 you haven't turned on a TV or looked at the Internet like ever because all you see there is the rampant exploitation of hetero-sex to sell product and get eyes on programming. Another "experiment" you men may want to do is ask your women friends how many times they get cat-called in an average day. Just another example of heterosexual men "shoving their orientation" on others.

So, yeah. Good on Tim. If his revelation makes some of you uncomfortable, good. That means you haven't really thought this through. Now would be a good time to start.

 

[dec.]

See - this is just the typical response. Take an hour and go read the internet. Get educated. Why should I have to educate you on a major social issue - especially one that intimately involves you? When you understand others you are more likely to be able to persuade them. As we can see on this board hate and ignorance from either side is incredibly unpersuasive.

I also did not say it was my opinion. Just educated people or at least people that pretend learn about more than one side of an issue.

Knock yourself out: www.google.com. Its not that hard.

Are you serious? Good luck/bye.

 

[iPad Air]

Completely delusional. You sound like one of these TV preachers, just before they got caught with a rent boy.

You certainly have the freedom to think I am delusional

 

[tbrinkma]

Because that's what this all boils down to. And I don't care. I would have rather woken up this morning and not seen this at the top of macrumors. I don't think it belongs in the news. But to hear so many talk about other issues is what I am addressing. It's not social policy, tolerance, equality, etc. Its Tims junk and what he does with them. Do you think Tim Cook has any equality issues at all? Do you really think he struggles with discrimination? Come on.

For someone who 'doesn't care', you sure seem to be focused on it pretty hard.

 

[bluespark]

I certainly support him as CEO of Apple. But certainly don't support his homosexuality.

What does that even mean? You don't have to "support his homosexuality." You simply have to want for him the same rights anyone else has.