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Yup, and how often do people have sex who aren't in a 'loving relationship'.

FFS people, it's just sex. :)

Well, you know that the biggest gay porn downloads in America originate in the "conservative South," so, yeah... some people just have way too many hangups. ;)
 
I know. I've a few articles mentioning Tim Being gay moved right to PRSI. I even posted a top 50 people (men and women) list that Tim was in moved to PRSI. Why? Because it was published in a magazine with gay people as some of it's target audience. It was nothing about Tim Cook being gay.

This forum totally does not understand the concept of treating every group of people equally.

I think it has to do with the fact that the team at MR realize that any mention of someone being gay is going to wind up with a thread full of politics, religion, etc. And this board is moderated differently than the other boards here (and so are other boards of this type on every other forum on the internet, really).

If it didn't get moved here immediately, it would wind up here eventually and that's not the fault of the staff of MR. It's the posters in the thread that set the tone.
 
I was replying to Meister post that said:

I know, I just find it interesting that it's acceptable to have an opinion on someone's religous belief, but not their sexual orientation. I've never met a gay man that has openly judged me for believing in a higher power, sadly I can't say the same about the "atheists" I've met. Keep in mind I haven't associated with any one particular sect or religion in any of my comments, the reason, I don't know, and don't try to determine which is "correct." This includes atheism.
 
Then I'm not driving.....so reading behind the wheel is ok......awesome!

I fully admit that I get upset when I see other drivers on their cell phones texting. It's super unsafe. But I feel it is completely safe when I do it.

In South Carolina, scooters are known for being used by those convicted of DWI.

It was especially amusing to see a guy on his $200 scooter texting while going 35 mph on US 17 in Mt. Pleasant one day.
 
I disagree.

Without faith, man cannot exist. What is religion, but faith in a particular set of parameters?

Do you know, when you throw the light switch, that the light will turn on? What if it is burned out or have an open in the wiring?

You believe it will. In other words, you have faith. Most of what we learn is belief-based.

Thus your statement is full of belief, as you cannot definitively prove religion is bs, and self-contradictory.

Food for thought.

Sure, I believe the light will turn on. But my success rate with turning on a light switch is somewhere between 99% and 100%. That's a pretty damn good success rate.

My success rate with having prayers answered, or any signs from an invisible man in the sky that he exists are exactly zero.
 
I disagree.

Without faith, man cannot exist. What is religion, but faith in a particular set of parameters?

Do you know, when you throw the light switch, that the light will turn on? What if it is burned out or have an open in the wiring?

You believe it will. In other words, you have faith. Most of what we learn is belief-based.

Thus your statement is full of belief, as you cannot definitively prove religion is bs, and self-contradictory.

Food for thought.

no.
just.. no... i.. my brain.

your logic is flawed.

Do I know when I flip a light switch it will turn on? Yes. Why? Because science. SCience which tries to explain the laws of the universe with mathematical truths and practices, through rigirous evidence based testing has proven that when the flow of electrons is interrupted, that resuming that flow of electrons would re-establish that circuit thus resulting inthe light turning on. Should that light NOT turn on as expected, you can therefore use logic, reasoning, Science and math to discover why that switch did not behave in the manner that was expected.

Faith has ZERO part of it.

Belief is not equivalent of faith. you believe in that switch, because theirs firm, grounded proof behind why it will operate as expected.

Faith on the other hand, especially blind faith as many religions require, do not have any such assurances or ability to predict based on the laws of reality, nor with any true predictability.
 
I know, I just find it interesting that it's acceptable to have an opinion on someone's religous belief, but not their sexual orientation. I've never met a gay man that has openly judged me for believing in a higher power, sadly I can't say the same about the "atheists" I've met. Keep in mind I haven't associated with anyone particular sect or religion in any of my comments, the reason, I don't know, and don't try to determine which is "correct." This includes atheism.

I don't judge most religious people.

The same cannot be said for annoying radicals or those that impose their beliefs on others and that includes atheists.

Nobody should be judged on their personal as long as it does not harm anybody including themselves.
 
Actually, ultimately, love is the only answer for the world's problems, because genuine love demands action to protect others. I'm advocate against human trafficking, for example. That leads me to financially support women and children recovery programs for people who have suffered the worst imaginable human rights abuses. I see a forum full of people with broken thinking about how human sexuality works, so I submit myself to a great deal of abuse in the hopes that at least I've planted a few seeds of hope that there is something better for our world. Sexual Immorality is a scourge, leading to all sorts of terrible things and like it or not, fornication, adultery, and homosexuality all fall under that heading.

The reason that bad things still happen to good people (the essence I see of your argument) is because love also demands free will. Without it, you have slavery. Free will demands real consequences. So a good person can be doing everything right, like Job, and still some awful things can happen to them. But my reverence for God's Word has kept me from ever being drunk or stoned. How many beloved actors in the last few years alone have we lost to substance abuse? I strive to be honest with my business dealings. How many of economic issues would be erased if people did that?

Must be getting late in the day. My apologies if my answers aren't top quality, but I hope you get the idea.



John Lennon called from the grave, he wants his hippy view back. Love being the answer to world problems is nothing more then ignorance. Love does not put food on the table and a roof over one's head. You don't need love to want to protect someone else, being a good person and not wanting to see someone else hurt is more then enough but that doesn't equate to being love. You can be a good person, that doesn't equate love, it can but it doesn't have to. It's nice you want to sum up the world problems with a fix of a word but life is so much more then just that.

Your personal view of life and what you believe god has done for you is limited to you. You can't speak on the behalf of anyone else. Just because you managed to stay away from drugs and you believe it's because of your faith doesn't mean the next person who stayed away from drugs didn't do it simply because they just didn't want to. Yes many actors and many other people have fallen to drug abuse, then again many other actors and other people have not gone down that road. Some can say it was because of faith and some can say it just wasn't for them. The way you posted comes off that you can't be a good person who can stay off drugs unless you have god and that's simply just not true. Maybe that's not what you meant but the simple fact is someone can be just as good as you without god. They can have the same drive to do good for their fellow man, stay away from drugs and be pretty much exactly like you without faith, god and ultimate love. People can be good for the simple reason of just wanting to be good.
 
:rolleyes:

There's more of that tolerance I've seen all over this thread.

Nothing to do with tolerance.

They do care about sexual orientation, there are so many debates. Do you follow the news at all?

Could a gay person become the Pope today? No because they care about his sexual orientation.
 
I don't judge most religious people.

The same cannot be said for annoying radicals or those that impose their beliefs on others and that includes atheists.

Nobody should be judged on their personal as long as it does not harm anybody including themselves.

On this we both agree, and it's a happy middle ground, you are a rarity in my experience. I try and judge people on their actions rather than association, except Cowboys fans ##
 
Then I'm not driving.....so reading behind the wheel is ok......awesome!

I fully admit that I get upset when I see other drivers on their cell phones texting. It's super unsafe. But I feel it is completely safe when I do it.

So you're the special exception. Well, we can't argue you don't know what it's like to be born different then.
 
Nothing to do with tolerance.

They do care about sexual orientation, there are so many debates. Do you follow the news at all?

Could a gay person become the Pope today? No because they care about his sexual orientation.

You're painting a lot of people,with a very broad brush. I do follow the news. I listen to a lot of democrat politicians making issues about nothing.

The voter ID is a good example. So many democrat leaders say republicans are trying to suppress the minority vote. But in a pn article I read today 2% of white voters don't have ID and 3% of black voters don't have ID. There is no issue there with trying to suppress the vote but the dems try to make it an issue. Just as an example.
 
I know, I just find it interesting that it's acceptable to have an opinion on someone's religous belief, but not their sexual orientation. I've never met a gay man that has openly judged me for believing in a higher power, sadly I can't say the same about the "atheists" I've met. Keep in mind I haven't associated with any one particular sect or religion in any of my comments, the reason, I don't know, and don't try to determine which is "correct." This includes atheism.

Au contraire... I had a nice, civil discussion in here with someone that defined themself as an atheist.
 
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