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Au contraire... I had a nice, civil discussion in here with someone that defined themself as an atheist.

Not really my experience, but I should clarify not all of my experience with "atheists" are bad, quite the opposite in fact. We usdually end up laughing at each other.
 
On this we both agree, and it's a happy middle ground, you are a rarity in my experience. I try and judge people on their actions rather than association, except Cowboys fans ##

Now that you say, I have to admit that I cannot go by not judging Bruins fans.

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You're painting a lot of people,with a very broad brush. I do follow the news. I listen to a lot of democrat politicians making issues about nothing.

The voter ID is a good example. So many democrat leaders say republicans are trying to suppress the minority vote. But in a pn article I read today 2% of white voters don't have ID and 3% of black voters don't have ID. There is no issue there with trying to suppress the vote but the dems try to make it an issue. Just as an example.

The Republicans made it an issue by demanding a solution to a non-existing problem.

The Vatican made it an issue by refusing changes to accommodate the LGBT community.

The Republicans made it an issue by critisizing all LGBT rights.
 
"Where's the tolerance now? Why is it ok to bash on religion but not sexual orientation"

Easy, Sexual Orientation is not a choice you can make.
Being part of a religion and putting your faith in a god is a choice.

That is, bashing religion is the same as bashing someone smashing their heads with a hammer. A reaction to (and future bashing of) their choice, not on their nature.
 
Because i don't think homosexuality is right or natural.

So what would you say if I told you other animals engage in homosexual sexuality behaviors?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
So how is it not natural then?
I understand that in he bible it says it's wrong but it also says that you should not pierce or tatto yourself? I can't remeber there been so much fus kicked off because someone had a tattoo or a new piecing! So why do it to the LGBT community?
I'm not having a go at anyone here Im interested in why people disagree with parts of the bible!
 
"Where's the tolerance now? Why is it ok to bash on religion but not sexual orientation"

Easy, Sexual Orientation is not a choice you can make.
Being part of a religion and putting your faith in a god is a choice.

That is, bashing religion is the same as bashing someone smashing their heads with a hammer. A reaction to (and future bashing of) their choice, not on their nature.

but in fairness, if we are a people of equality and peace, we shouldn't bash anyone for their religious beliefs either. We should be open and accepting.

I have my own personal belief structure. It impacts nobody else. Therefore I have no right to judge someone elses personal belief structure if it too impacts nobody else.

if you want to believe in jesus and that he will give you salvation. And that gives you that little bit of happiness to make it through life happy. All the power to you. Again, as long as you don't impose it on me in any way.
 
John Lennon called from the grave, he wants his hippy view back. Love being the answer to world problems is nothing more then ignorance. Love does not put food on the table and a roof over one's head. You don't need love to want to protect someone else, being a good person and not wanting to see someone else hurt is more then enough but that doesn't equate to being love. You can be a good person, that doesn't equate love, it can but it doesn't have to. It's nice you want to sum up the world problems with a fix of a word but life is so much more then just that.

Your personal view of life and what you believe god has done for you is limited to you. You can't speak on the behalf of anyone else. Just because you managed to stay away from drugs and you believe it's because of your faith doesn't mean the next person who stayed away from drugs didn't do it simply because they just didn't want to. Yes many actors and many other people have fallen to drug abuse, then again many other actors and other people have not gone down that road. Some can say it was because of faith and some can say it just wasn't for them. The way you posted comes off that you can't be a good person who can stay off drugs unless you have god and that's simply just not true. Maybe that's not what you meant but the simple fact is someone can be just as good as you without god. They can have the same drive to do good for their fellow man, stay away from drugs and be pretty much exactly like you without faith, god and ultimate love. People can be good for the simple reason of just wanting to be good.

You said, "John Lennon called from the grave, he wants his hippy view back."
Answer = Very ironic that you used this. Although John was an atheist, much of his music was inspired by what he learned in Scripture.

You said, "Love does not put food on the table and a roof over one's head."
Answer = Believe me, sometimes it is my decision to love my family that keeps me at my job in order to provide these things.

You said, "You don't need love to want to protect someone else, being a good person and not wanting to see someone else hurt is more then enough but that doesn't equate to being love."
Answer = I think we may be confused in our terms. Love, by definition, is protects. It is selfless. What you are describing is loving behavior, although I will give you that if you, for example, saved a girl from a sinking ship just so you could rape her once you got to a deserted island, then saving her in the first place had very unloving motives.

I find the rest of your first paragraph difficult to follow so I'll go on to the next.

You said, "The way you posted comes off that you can't be a good person who can stay off drugs unless you have god and that's simply just not true ... [People] can have the same drive to do good for their fellow man, stay away from drugs and be pretty much exactly like you without faith, god and ultimate love. People can be good for the simple reason of just wanting to be good.
Answer = I am not saying that people who don't believe in God can't do good, loving things. They most certainly can. My observation has been that without a Judeo-Christian moral framework, people tend to find more ways of rationalizing selfish behavior. The teaching of the Scripture don't let you get away with that. It is hard as nails.
 
I'm having a hard time reconciling that quote from Tim Cook and his feeling that he needed to make his sexuality public. His sexuality has nothing to do with being CEO of Apple. And if we're not defined by our gender why does he feel the need to tell the world he's gay? Especially if he really values his privacy? We're long past the point where coming out really mattered. Everybody knew he was gay and nobody cared. I see this as more of a distraction than anything else.

That just isn't true though. First of all, plenty of people in the western world - especially America - are way, way behind on LGB tolerance, let alone supporting of LGB rights. Plus, we live in a big, big world where LGB people aren't just not-tolerated, they're actively punished and prosecuted for not being straight.
We absolutely are not past the point of coming out mattering, especially when it's someone who is in such a highly prized position.
 
Answer = I am not saying that people who don't believe in God can't do good, loving things. They most certainly can. My observation has been that without a Judeo-Christian moral framework, people tend to find more ways of rationalizing selfish behavior. The teaching of the Scripture don't let you get away with that. It is hard as nails.


And yet religion was the justification for some of mankind's greatest atrocities.
 
I think it has to do with the fact that the team at MR realize that any mention of someone being gay is going to wind up with a thread full of politics, religion, etc. And this board is moderated differently than the other boards here (and so are other boards of this type on every other forum on the internet, really).

If it didn't get moved here immediately, it would wind up here eventually and that's not the fault of the staff of MR. It's the posters in the thread that set the tone.

The moderators have the means to lock and clean up topics. They have done this before on topics that were not in PRSI. Once the clean up was done, the topic re-opened for posting. So what you said is just an excuse. The moderators can deal with a topic's posts without relegating the topic to PRSI.
 
And yet religion was the justification for some of mankind's greatest atrocities.

So were the LGBT community!!!!

They umh massacred... umh... stuff and they destroyed umh... things.

Right? :eek:
 
2014:

"Note: Due to the controversial nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts."


One day, hopefully not too far in the future:

'Note: Due to the completely uncontroversial nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in whatever forum you like. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, and posting is open to all forum members regardless of how many posts they have made, now we're all sensible human beings'
 
but in fairness, if we are a people of equality and peace, we shouldn't bash anyone for their religious beliefs either. We should be open and accepting.

I have my own personal belief structure. It impacts nobody else. Therefore I have no right to judge someone elses personal belief structure if it too impacts nobody else.

if you want to believe in jesus and that he will give you salvation. And that gives you that little bit of happiness to make it through life happy. All the power to you. Again, as long as you don't impose it on me in any way.

I agree. Unfortunelty those preaching tolerance rarely truly practice it.
 
And yet religion was the justification for some of mankind's greatest atrocities.

The story of humanity: no good thing has been left unabused by sinful man.

By the way, I presume you are referring to the Christian religion. Are you aware that everyone has a religion. The definition of religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." A lot of people worship themselves, acting as if they were the controlling power.
 
I will concede that if you are on the side of the argument that condones hatred towards gay people, then switching to these other much more complicated concepts, is probably your best bet.
I am not condoning hatred and I am not sure what you mean or why you would think that.
 
And yet religion was the justification for some of mankind's greatest atrocities.
The sowjet union was based on atheism (the self proclaimed "it's not a religion"- religion) and over 20 million christians and other religious people were tortured and murdered because they did not renounce their faith. So anit-religion has killed millions, too in very recent times. atrocities in the name of christianity happened centuries ago.


By the way, I presume you are referring to the Christian religion. Are you aware that everyone has a religion. The definition of religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." A lot of people worship themselves, acting as if they were the controlling power.
I agree. This is what i always say. everyone has a religion, atheists are just in denial about it.
 
It shouldn't be a news item in 2014, as other posters have pointed out, but it is.
And it will continue to be as long as there are still fear-mongering, closed-minded, racist, bible-thumping, homophobe politicians still in office.

I'm not a 'bible-thumper' but I am a Christian. Jesus taught us to love one another; not to judge or hate. So I'm trying to be a decent person despite my many faults.

Please don't lump all the people who follow the bible into one shallow category. There's good and bad among all of us, as with any other group.

Thanks.
 
The sowjet union was based on atheism (the self proclaimed "it's not a religion"- religion) and over 20 millionen christians and other religious people were tortured and murdered because they did not renounce their faith. So anit-religion has killed millions, too in very recent times. atrocities in the name of christianity happened centuries ago.

This. Communism killed millions in the 20th century. Muslims are killing thousands now. Christians are being butchered now around the world. They keep kicking the 700 year old dead horse but ignore what is happening in modern times because it doesn't support their view.
 
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