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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'Secretly' Signed $275 Billion Deal With China in 2016

Popcorn moment. I can't put the Michael Jackson popcorn graphic up, last time it was removed.

Looking forward to seeing how this pans out for Tim, for Apple and how the people feel about this.
 
thadoggfather said:
China plays a much, much longer game than the 2-3 year mark, but keep telling yourself that.
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not sure why you have to get down and personal here, nowhere did I say anything about China ...
Quote: China became the "enemy" like 2 maybe maybe 3 years ago ...

and I stand by that statement ...
 
toobravetosave said:
How many black people are unjustly in prison in america? How many are shot in the streets by cops? How many civilians do americans kill overseas every year? How many immigrants are working the fields for unfair pay? How many homeless people are there compared to empty homes owned by banks? How many veterans kill themselves or go hungry every year? How many opioid deaths? How many covid deaths?
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How many black people are shot in the street by cops?

A better question would be how many "unarmed" black people are shot in the street by cops. According to the Washington Post, a total of 13 in 2019. Of course, one can dispute these numbers due to under reporting and other statistical differences that would have little or no statistical effect or impact on the discussion as a whole.

When a group as a whole has 697,000 people in it (full time law enforcement officers in the US) and that group results in the shooting (not necessarily the death) of 13 of people who were unarmed, and those 697K people are walking around armed and de facto placed in dangerous situations in the course of their employment regularly. I can't see that as a statistically significant issue.

Of course any death is a tragedy and everyone would rather see that number at zero, but since human beings are involved, the situations tend to be fluid, and necessitate split second decisions, errors WILL happen. It's just inevitable.

But the idea that cops across the country are strapping on gun belts every day and hitting the streets in a fit of blood lust hoping to gun down unarmed people like dogs en mass is just hogwash....
 
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jz0309 said:
not sure why you have to get down and personal here, nowhere did I say anything about China ...
Quote: China became the "enemy" like 2 maybe maybe 3 years ago ...

and I stand by that statement ...
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The enemy doesn’t need bunny ears

The CCP poses an existential threat to Western life, freedoms, and our democracy

How ever it’s positioned or framed amongst some is irrelevant

As is downplaying it
 
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'At Apple, we care about the people and the environment, well, some of the people and some of the environment.' -Tim Cook
 
aesc80 said:
Remember when Apple said they’d move out of China and start doing more assembly in Vietnam to diversify their production? Pepperidge Farms remembers!
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Vietnam has more skilled workers per capita, they actually like the US, and it's nearly as cheap to manufacture there too.
 
aidler said:
But Apple and especially Tim Cook are amongst the most outspoken proponents of human rights and equality in the US. Crazy right…
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Yes, but businesses should limit that stuff to their home country.

So Apple shouldn't be too political outside the US.
 
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Naraxus said:
You really don't see an issue with someone preaching privacy and human rights on one hand and signing a sweetheart deal with one of the biggest violators of privacy & human rights with the other?

Really?
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We are not getting away from China as a manufacturing partner. If the bar to do business with a country is that human rights violations exist then no country in earth is fit to do business was with.
 
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Wether it's China, Mexico, India etc. - we all moan and groan about the outsourcing and yet we overwhelmingly vote with our wallets when a cheaper version of a product is released from those countries. I get that there are people here willing to pay more for a domestically produced product, but they are woefully in the minority and that's just the simple fact of it. America is a capitalist country and stuff like this is the grease that keeps the wheels turning.
 
Apple and Timmey understand one thing: Money.
They will do whatever it takes to make it happen.
It's only when they lose money that they start saying the "always listen to their users".
Until then it's always Apple knows best.
 
I7guy said:
We are not getting away from China as a manufacturing partner. If the bar to do business with a country is that human rights violations exist then no country in earth is fit to do business was with.
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So your solution is to keep digging the hole deeper rather than trying to climb your way out?
 
toobravetosave said:
And the US is the biggest threat to other countries too. Facebook is literally more popular than tiktok by a wide margin and is similarly damaging to not just children but entire political systems. US actually does have military superiority over the entire world as well.

Why is China the bad guy when the US isn't?
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I know this isn’t the best forum to have deeper geopolitical discussions, but I’m waddling into a pool anyway…

The US has historically been in a very poor position of being the spear upon which peace was predicated upon. That comes with its own share of problems as a result… US military spending dwarfs other countries since other countries have been able to outsource the costs and responsibility for their security to Americans. For Americans that’s an unfair burden both in terms of costs in dollars and lives as well as hits to American reputation.

That being said America is a country where there is room for change. Meaning, the world and interests in America can push for and influence geopolitical actions. Even more so, the political realities are limited to 4 year terms further given room for those forces to affect change and limit the destruction America can cause.

China has no outside political influence and the measure of which their political system strives for is loyalty to the party and by extension to Xi. As such, their vantage point is a long tail one where they control the reality that their citizens see. The state controls access to any negative information and the state controls extensive aspects of their citizens lives.

One can argue the negative impacts of America, but swapping those negatives out for an authoritarian regime would only end up worse. As there is no checks whatsoever on such a regime.
 
izyreal said:
This is craziness. I don’t think Apple should be investing so heavily in the Chinese economy given their track record on human rights and the environment.
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Did you read the article by any chance? Particularly the part where (at least some of) the money went to renewable energy projects????

So a company shouldn't invest in renewable energy projects in a country because that country has a poor environmental record and, presumably, isn't doing enough in the renewable energy sector?

You couldn't make it up I swear.........
 
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toobravetosave said:
Please tell us what protesting gets americans. You sure can have some big protests but what does it actually get you? Union membership is at 10% voting protections are currently being eviscerated in multiple republican states and nothing has changed regarding police brutality despite those incredible protests. You can shout, yes, but are you heard?
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Nothing may change but at least they have the right.
I will just leave this here for you Tiananmen Square protests and massacre
 
aidler said:
But Apple and especially Tim Cook are amongst the most outspoken proponents of human rights and equality in the US. Crazy right…
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Yes, but businesses should limit that stuff to their home country.

So Apple shouldn't be too political outside the US.
boss.king said:
Why do you say that? Do you not think someone can criticise a company for doing something they think is bad while still using their products?
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If you disagree with the business practises of a company I think you shouldn't use their products. So no, everyone who fundamentally believes dealing with China is wrong, can't use Apple products.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
for the people thinking that this will affect Tim in the slightest, read this part.
The board is definitely not forcing him out anytime soon, if anything they’re trying to keep him as long as possible to make them more $$$
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Oddly enough.. this makes sense.. I don't like it.. but you make a strong point.
 
Hope he paid extra for AppleCare coverage cause you know that deal is going to get broken.
 
Rocko99991 said:
'At Apple, we care about the people and the environment, well, some of the people and some of the environment.' -Tim Cook
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It’s like the end of Johnny Dangerously after Michael Keaton’s character tells the kid crime doesn’t pay and then a big limousine comes to pick him up and he says “Well it paid a little”.
 
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