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Apple CEO Tim Cook Speaks Out Against Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law

Does Tim Cook live in Indiana? No - then shut the **** up you whining cry baby and get on with your day job.

I read the statement issued by the Governor and apparently this has nothing to do with discrimination. It's simply about upholding people's rights to religious freedom. That seems reasonable to me.
 
xero9 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this could help him out in any way possible. Not saying what you isn't true, it just seems like political suicide (or at least it should be!)
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You would think it should be, but the Religious Right has plenty of clout in the area he is in, as well as some other religious groups that would believe in what he is stating. Keep in mind about how much and active the Mormons were with Prop. 8 in California, and how discriminatory those actions were.

If he could rile them up, they would support him for a POTUS bid. It would, undoubtedly, epically fail.

BL.
 
pdaholic said:
"No shoes, no shirt, no heterosexuality, NO SERVICE!"

Stupid, stupid, stupid law.
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MasterRyu2011 said:
No iPhones should be sold in this state; that will send a message real quick!
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This is an interesting comment. How far are businesses and others willing to go to make their feelings known on this matter? Some are making statements while others go farther by actually taking action to restrict commerce. I look forward to following how all of this plays out, especially with the Supreme Court case scheduled for ruling later this year.
 
Rogifan said:
Props to the governor for not following the herd only doing what is politically correct. If I have objections to making a wedding cake for a gay couple government should have the right to force me to do it. Go someplace else where I'm sure another baker would be more than happy to satisfy the request. The marketplace should decide these things not government.
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How about you go someplace else. If you run a business that is open to the public, and have objections to conducting said business with a certain arbitrary group of the population, then move to a country where the government is run by religion. Here in the US, we generally try to have separation of church and state. Try conducting your business in Nigeria - Boko Haram would agree with your views.
 
Rogifan said:
Props to the governor for not following the herd only doing what is politically correct. If I have objections to making a wedding cake for a gay couple government should have the right to force me to do it. Go someplace else where I'm sure another baker would be more than happy to satisfy the request. The marketplace should decide these things not government.
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I don't agree. If your personal mythology cripples you to the degree that you lack the ability of handling the public - your potential customers - equally in an according way, I would consider either mental therapy or a career choice that does not subject you to potentially having to deal with "sinners" or "God-hated perverts".
 
Rogifan said:
Props to the governor for not following the herd only doing what is politically correct. If I have objections to making a wedding cake for a gay couple government should have the right to force me to do it. Go someplace else where I'm sure another baker would be more than happy to satisfy the request. The marketplace should decide these things not government.
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Ah yes. The market always sorts itself out so well.

Sorry it took so long to reply to this by the way. AT&T is currently rate-limiting me because the free market decided 5GB per month was an unacceptable amount of data use.
 
xero9 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this could help him out in any way possible. Not saying what you isn't true, it just seems like political suicide (or at least it should be!)
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It's a great way to ingratiate yourself to the conservatives - track record of being the most right wing nut job.
 
This is not religious freedom,it's religious oppression.
Can't believe they passed such backward law in 2015.
 
Shaun said:
Does Tim Cook live in Indiana? No - then shut the **** up you whining cry baby and get on with your day job.

I read the statement issued by the Governor and apparently this has nothing to do with discrimination. It's simply about upholding people's rights to religious freedom. That seems reasonable to me.
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I sure miss the down vote button right now.
 
mscriv said:
This is an interesting comment. How far are businesses and others willing to go to make their feelings known on this matter? Some are making statements while others go farther by actually taking action to restrict commerce. I look forward to following how all of this plays out, especially with the Supreme Court case scheduled for ruling later this year.
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GenCon is pulling out of Indianapolis, to the tune of 56,000 people that would otherwise contribute to the economy of the city, let alone the state and state capital, to the tune of north of $50 million.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/

BL.
 
I wonder if it will survive a court challenge in the SCOTUS?

Just think of all the money this law can take away from Indiana - Tournaments, conventions, tourists.

And what about Muslims? If you show up in a Hijab can they refuse to serve you?

What if they are a religious fringe group and refuse to serve people of color?

So they could turn away just about anyone actually... people with downs syndrome, people of color, jews, men holding hands, women holding hands, women wearing pants (bible says women should not wear men's clothes)...

I'm glad I don't live in Indiana.

I've wanted to trace out the Whitewater canal through Metamora, but I don't want to get turned away by this stupid law.
 
xionxiox said:
What you call politically correct, I call basic human decency.
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All I'm saying is let the marketplace sorted it out not government. If I owned a bakery and I'm against gay marriage why should I have to bake a cake for a gay couple when the bakery down the street will do it no problem? Believe me the minutes and establishment refuses to serve gays it will be all over the news and social media and if you put outraged they will stop patronizing that establishment. Once business starts to dry up the establishment will change their tune real quick, no government involvement necessary.
 
It's a good thing to condemn businesses for doing things we find reprehensible, like denying services to gay people. Don't patronize their business, organize a boycott...these are all things people can and should do when someone does something they find unfair or offensive. But to say that it's illegal for someone not to engage in a private business transaction that violates their religious beliefs sounds insane to me. Say you have a muslim owned print shop, and someone comes in and wants to print flyers for a gay festival, and the muslim owner says doing this will violate my religious beliefs, please use the print shop down the street. The idea that the muslim owner should be forced to engage in that transaction against his will or be in violation of the law sounds insane to me.

Just because I find something offensive doesn't mean it should be illegal.
 
xero9 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this could help him out in any way possible. Not saying what you isn't true, it just seems like political suicide (or at least it should be!)
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The problem is that anyone who wants to win the Republican nomination will have to break far, far to the right. It seems these days there's always someone out there willing be more Christianist, more oppositional, more everything of what we're getting from the far right Tea Party types. Candidates are having to go way right to appease endlessly strident, uncompromising base. If this guy didn't sign this law it would sink his chances at the nomination level.

Personally, I can't wait for the ******-show that happens when a Muslim business refuses to provide goods or services to any woman not wearing a hijab.
 
Rogifan said:
Props to the governor for not following the herd only doing what is politically correct. If I have objections to making a wedding cake for a gay couple government should have the right to force me to do it. Go someplace else where I'm sure another baker would be more than happy to satisfy the request. The marketplace should decide these things not government.
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so you would turn away let's say black people cuz you just don't like them? don't u have the "customer is king" philosophy in the US?
 
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Shaun said:
Does Tim Cook live in Indiana? No - then shut the **** up you whining cry baby and get on with your day job.

I read the statement issued by the Governor and apparently this has nothing to do with discrimination. It's simply about upholding people's rights to religious freedom. That seems reasonable to me.
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Have you ever heard of legal precedence? Thank 'God' that Tim isn't a robot or a selfish bigot.
 
dec. said:
I don't agree. If your personal mythology cripples you to the degree that you lack the ability of handling the public - your potential customers - equally in an according way, I would consider either mental therapy or a career choice that does not subject you to potentially having to deal with "sinners" or "God-hated perverts".
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What are gay people so afraid of? They're a tiny sliver of the US population yet based on media coverage you'd think half the population is gay. Just curious how many establishments in Indiana have chosen not to serve gay people? Can you name one?
 
In the 60's religious liberty was used as a primary reason to justify racial segregation. It is no longer legal to deny a service to someone based on the color of their skin.

It is sad how as a nation we aren't learning our history lessons and are reverting to the same rationale now targeted at the GLBT community.

I am not religious (I once was). I don't condemn religion as a whole as some do - I have seen the greatness that faith can inspire in others towards compassion, forgiveness, redemption, etc. Unfortunately, it is also a double-edged sword that allows too many to claim "religious liberty" as a justification for not tackling the deeper issues they themselves have in treating their fellow man better.

I hope that these laws are struck down and or rescinded in short order, but more so that those that support them can have their hearts softened and see the errors of their ways. We need to stop talking past each other.

It may just be a dream, but like a man once said... I have a dream...
 
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A private business has the right to do what they want with their business. If you don't like it, go spend your money elsewhere. If enough people do it, the business will go under. That is how the free market works.

Let's also remember that businesses likely won't turn down somebody just for being gay, but they might refuse to make a cake that supports/promotes the lifestyle.

Should a shirt company owned by anti-gun individuals be forced to make shirts for an open carry rally? No, they shouldn't because those individuals have the freedom to do what they want with their business.

The logic is quite simple, should somebody be forced to support an ideology they disagree with? It is a simple yes or no question.
 
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