Yes, they can just go elsewhere with their different-yet-American money.... sounds familiar....
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Speaks Out Against Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law
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Yes, they can just go elsewhere with their different-yet-American money.... sounds familiar....
For my first ever post about religion on Macrumors I will quote a well known line supposedly spoken by Jesus.
"Rending onto Caesar what is Caesar's, and onto God what is God's."
This is one of those perfectly moderate statements in the bible that religious zealots seem to miss the meaning of all the time. This does NOT say nullify your society's beliefs and laws because they violate your religious belief. It basically means, follow your own beliefs, but respect the context in what you live in.
As usual, the moderate words of ALL religions seem to get drowned out in the zealots messages, just like Fandroids and iSheep. (See what I did there?)
"Rending onto Caesar what is Caesar's, and onto God what is God's."
This is one of those perfectly moderate statements in the bible that religious zealots seem to miss the meaning of all the time. This does NOT say nullify your society's beliefs and laws because they violate your religious belief. It basically means, follow your own beliefs, but respect the context in what you live in.
As usual, the moderate words of ALL religions seem to get drowned out in the zealots messages, just like Fandroids and iSheep. (See what I did there?)
Quite a bit.
In essence, the State is also a business, and the Governor of the State is essentially the CEO, with its board of directors/managers (State Assembly) helping to steer the ship in the direction they want to go. If the business doesn't do well, other businesses will not conduct business with them, through actions like relocating out of the state.
Example: Toyota relocating from California to Texas, because of the State provided a better environment to conduct business.
BL.
I would just take my business elsewhere. How many businesses in Indiana are refusing to serve gay people? You can probably count them on one hand. I'm all for freedom of association let people associate with whoever they want to and deal with the consequences in the marketplace.
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So do you think the same apply if you have to make a cake for a mixed race couple? Give me a break there is no place in the world for people who think like this
Oh and PS in a capitalist economy the marketplace does not usually fix it self Capitalism with out regulation is inherent to fail aka not make the right decisions
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Let religious businesses run their shops their way. If you disagree with their practices, go shop elsewhere. There IS a conflict between the desires of some customers and services of some businesses. Religious wedding cake businesses come to mind. Forcing them to get along would not be a good solution. Both can coexist. Don't force acceptance on either side.
Same principle. Does a business owner have the right to decide what they do with their business? The answer is yes.
I thought the next bill would require all LBGT people to wear pink triangles on their shirts? And perhaps jews to wear the star of David so extremist Christians could deny them service?
You don't need a state law to give you the right to refuse people. You can do that on your own. In your own words, let the marketplace handle it.
Hiding one's bigotry and discrimination in and under the guise of religious freedom is still bigotry and discrimination, no matter how you try to shroud it.
BL.
The year is 2015 and a State has legally signed into law a bill that promotes and protects, "we don't serve your kind here".
Truly appalling, especially under the guise of "Freedom". Now presumably, these same religious establishments will also deny service to any once-married heterosexual, correct? I mean if its a religious issue after all, and biblically divorce is effectively a heinous crime against God...
Truly appalling, especially under the guise of "Freedom". Now presumably, these same religious establishments will also deny service to any once-married heterosexual, correct? I mean if its a religious issue after all, and biblically divorce is effectively a heinous crime against God...
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about you having 100 cake designs that YOU made and put in a catalog. You're selling these 100 designs.
Now someone comes along wanting to buy one of these 100 designs, and you say NO to that person because WHO that person is.
This is nothing about forcing you to create and sell something you don't want to create and sell.
Nice...it's not like the gay couple said "put our cocks on the cake in each others' mouths". They just wanted a cake. What their personal preferences are should not matter.
So you're saying two gay people agreeing to spend their remaining days together and build a life is the same as a group that actually tried to kill an entire race of people? Your comparison is both juvenile and disgusting, as well as incredibly offensive to Jews.
Except who defines what bigotry is? I don't support gay marriage does that make me a bigot? As far as I'm concerned most people on the far left are the biggest bigots on the planet. I'm for freedom of association. The left is all about shoving their views down my throat and forcing me to except them.
what is tim cooks policy about apple employees speaking favorably about their christian, jewish or muslims beliefs? Are you allowed to work there if your religion forbids homosexuality?
I don't think the government should be able to tell you how to make your wedding cake. If you only want to sell figurines of a man and a woman, that's fine.
But if a gay couple love your cake and want to buy it and go get their figurines elsewhere, then I'm sorry, I don't think you should be able to deny them based on what you believe they should or shouldn't do. Just a handful of years ago the same argument was being made about interracial marriage and how it was "sinful", or even just people of color coming in to the store.
The only religious business is a church. Where in any religion are you instructed to turn a profit? Cite it please.
Both of you have no idea. You have no way of verifying, unless of course, you're a god, so you wouldn't be asking in the first place.
I'm sorry, but what religious belief prevents you from serving a danish to a Muslim, or a cake to a gay person for that matter?
Everyone here is assuming that this means that Christians will not serve gays for simply being gay. While many Christians believe homosexuality is wrong, there is no religious belief that I know of that says you can't provide them with basic services.
This law was intended to protect the inevitable situation where a gay couple asks a priest to marry them (which is a religious belief that many Christians would have an issue with) and he is forced to do so. And don't tell me that that won't happen.
Part of the reason for this over-the-top reaction of a law is that (as evidenced here) there are people who want to destroy religion (i'm surprised that there have been no Flying Spaghetti Monster references yet). And as odd as it seems, homosexuality has become the tool of choice for many of these people.
I'm not saying that I support this law. My view is that in areas where we have strong differences of opinion, one should be tolerant. I have no issue with working with, hiring, or having a close personal friend that is gay. But, you have to know that people who have a religious faith are scared that this will open the doors for government to tell churches what they can believe. And that I understand.