Apple CEO Tim Cook Talks Tech and Economy With Utah Senator Orrin Hatch

[DVD9]

Not sure what the video is supposed to convey. There have been always beeb slums and some abandoned neighborhoods in the US for the past century at least. Are you somehow saying that those 8 blocks covered by that video are somehow the specific fault of one politician or president in particular?

Dude, click on that channel after you watch the video. There are hundreds more videos covering not blocks, but hundreds of miles that look like this. You can ride off the freeway through all those Red States for literally thousands of highway miles just looking at rural poverty along every mile.

The majority of the population in the USA lives in an area that looks like they are part of a nation that lost every war since the early 1940's. Look at Tokyo after the firebombing and look at Tokyo now. Look at Dresden in 1945 and look at Dresden today.

Who won the wars?
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[duffman9000]

You sure you didn't transpose the 1 and the 5 in your comment?

You do know that the IRS and DOD have ancient gear running COBOL that they have had to hire retired back as consultants to maintain, don't you?

And when they have asked for appropriations to fund updates, they get things from the republicans like the sequester.

Oh I know about the ancient equipment. I don't most people don't realize this.

 

[wxman2003]

When I want to talk tech to someone, the first person that comes to mind in Orrin Hatch.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

It would seem to me that Apple is really pushing hard for special treatment in this 'economy'.

Isn't it enough that Trump is letting them 'repatriate' all that cash? Or is Tim hoping Orrin will get Trump off their back?
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I'm sorry but the more Cook gets cozy with Trump and his kids, the less I want to buy any more Apple products.

At first it was about the money. It's always about the money, now it's probably to get Trump off Apple's back and the 'build your crap in America' smokescreen. Trump is a 'droid guy', and thinks Macs are 'too hard to use'...

 

[Kaibelf]

So when will all the democrats start emigrating out of the US like they said they would? There is a long list of immigrants waiting for their US citizenships. The sooner people like you leave the US, the better chance for these immigrants, so help them out please.

You better back up before telling me to leave my own country.

 

[MarsViolet]

So when will all the democrats start emigrating out of the US like they said they would? There is a long list of immigrants waiting for their US citizenships. The sooner people like you leave the US, the better chance for these immigrants, so help them out please.

First of all, your premise about how waiting lists and speeding up the process works is a nonsensical fantasy — an alternative fact, if you will.

Second, you can’t just move to another country. It’s not that simple. But if it were — if there was a single checkbox one could click which would instantly switch one’s citizenship to another country, many liberals would leave tomorrow and never look back.

Until then, it’s one slow, tedious step at a time through a maze of endless bureaucracy.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

I hope *so*. Maybe then we'll get a 5k panel that doesn't totally suck ass.

Or you might get a suck ass panel that costs 5k.

 

[robeddie]

Dude, click on that channel after you watch the video. There are hundreds more videos covering not blocks, but hundreds of miles that look like this. You can ride off the freeway through all those Red States for literally thousands of highway miles just looking at rural poverty along every mile.

The majority of the population in the USA lives in an area that looks like they are part of a nation that lost every war since the early 1940's. Look at Tokyo after the firebombing and look at Tokyo now. Look at Dresden in 1945 and look at Dresden today.

Who won the wars?
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And again, those areas, and many others didn't just suddenly turn from paradise to poverty in the last 8 years. You could have traveled around and gotten a ton of shots of slums all over america during bush's presidency, or clintons, or reagans, or carter's ... etc.

I grew up in the late 60/70's (Nixon/Carter) when half of american cities were crime infested slums. For a while they even thought NYC was going to go bankrupt. I worked in Rock Island Illinois in the 80's and a huge swatch of the town was empty, broken down factories and rusty trailer park homes.
It's just asinine beyond belief that you seem to think slums just suddenly appeared in America in the last few years. But hey, that's what 'confirmation bias' is all about: Find something that's always been an issue, pretend it all just came out of nowhere, and blame it specifically on the one guy you don't like.

If you want to try to argue the last 8 years made americans worse off, there are more objective and compelling ways to make your case than a few cherry picked videos of slums.

 

[pika2000]

First of all, your premise about how waiting lists and speeding up the process works is a nonsensical fantasy — an alternative fact, if you will.

Second, you can’t just move to another country. It’s not that simple. But if it were — if there was a single checkbox one could click which would instantly switch one’s citizenship to another country, many liberals would leave tomorrow and never look back.

Until then, it’s one slow, tedious step at a time through a maze of endless bureaucracy.

Go tell those who were yelling they would move to a different country when Trump got elected. it's pure ********, and it shows the sort of maturity level of the kind of people making the loudest noise.
Now they are just making up excuses of how the world is so inconvenient.
In reality, US passport does allow easier movement to different countries than majority of passports of other countries, and if there's a will, there's a way. At the least, people can start a new life as immigrants on other countries. But no, they are all just making excuses for not following through on their own big talk.
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You better back up before telling me to leave my own country.

Whoa tough dude. Then what are you doing for your country? Are you actually making it a better place for everybody, or are you just projecting yourself to your new president? Like I said, there are many immigrants waiting for their citizenships. Go help sponsor them if you like.

 

[MarsViolet]

Go tell those who were yelling they would move to a different country when Trump got elected. it's pure ********, and it shows the sort of maturity level of the kind of people making the loudest noise.

Now they are just making up excuses of how the world is so inconvenient.
In reality, US passport does allow easier movement to different countries than majority of passports of other countries, and if there's a will, there's a way. At the least, people can start a new life as immigrants on other countries. But no, they are all just making excuses for not following through on their own big talk.

Right. Like Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh and countless scores of southern white racists made excuses for the entirety of Obama’s two terms.

In the case of the southern white racists, I get it — it’s not easy. You can’t just grab your union jacks and your assault rifles and move to…well, come to think of it, what nation would even take them? But as for Nugent and Limbaugh? They have money. They have resources. They could live anywhere.

Yet they too stayed.

I get why the average liberal hasn’t left yet. What I don’t get is why Oprah is still here. If I had her wealth and her leverage, I’d have bailed this sad excuse for nation a decade ago, and I liked Obama.

So don’t go getting all cocky and self-righteous about this. Trump’s been in office like a week and he’s already the most unpopular president the nation has ever known. Give him a chance to self-destruct completely, and then let’s see how superior you feel having supported that national disgrace.

 

[diipii]

Here's why:

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

Spot on.

 

[DVD9]

You better back up before telling me to leave my own country.

He didn't. Basically anyone with any public face seemed to make this statement that they were moving to another country if Trump won. None of them have.

Now I could be wrong about you. Did you say this also? If so, why are you still here? Trump isn't going anywhere for another eight years. His ten year old son will be 18 when Trump leaves the White House.
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Right. Like Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh and countless scores of southern white racists made excuses for the entirety of Obama’s two terms.

Rush Limbaugh is from Missouri, not the south. He's from a family of lawyers and his father was a Air Force pilot in WW II. Ted Nugent is from Michigan.

If you're looking for white racists in the USA look around Philadelphia, New York and Boston. Outside of Israel there are no other concentrations of such racist magnitude on the planet. The most racist southern white guy is a liberal in comparison.

In 1985 the Philadelphia police (who never seem to get the credit they deserve in this context) did this:
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[Rocketman]

Spot on.
Form over function iMac, completely bloody useless, sitting on a shelf having roasted itself into total immobility. Now running a 10 year old Windows laptop that performs faultlessly. My "new" computer is a used Mac Pro 5.1 from the days Apple made professional kit.

Fellow trailing edge adopter! This Air sits on an aluminium MacBookPro running Classic compatible OS.

 

[Razeus]

Look up "riding coattails" and you'll see a picture of Tim Cook.

 

[TallManNY]

They can't see it because Fox "News" and Breitbart told them a continuous stream of lies - oh, sorry, "alternative facts" - for the last 8 years (at least), and they lapped it up, because it fit into their world view, where "everything is horrible because it isn't the 50's any more." They bought into Trump, hook, line, and sinker, because he said, "everything is horrible here in the USA, and I'm your savior who will get rid of all those terrible things you've had to suffer through for the past 8 years." And it didn't hurt (Trump's campaign) that he waited until after the votes were cast to disavow the support of all the white supremacists. He didn't have the guts to do that before the election, because he wanted all their votes.

The Republican political machine had an avowed strategy for the past 8 years to block every single thing that President Obama tried to do - because he wasn't their guy, thus he was the enemy - even when what President Obama was proposing was the Republican's idea in the first place! And now they're rushing to undo everything he did manage to get done. They'd like to erase him from history.

So you end up with low information voters like the one seen on twitter a while back saying "yeah, they're gonna repeal Obamacare, that's great, gotta get rid of that - it won't affect me, because I have insurance through the ACA!" They're in a huge hurry to repeal the ACA (because it's tainted, because Obama touched it), and they'll... definitely replace it with something "way better" that they haven't figured out yet. Sigh.

But even with the Fox cloud of misinformation, can it possibly be that they've forgotten or don't understand the recession of 2007 and 2008? That is the thing that I just don't get. Your head can be as buried in the sand as possible, but those events must have gotten through, right?

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Try being homeless for a week and I'm sure it'll bother you less.

Queue the first world problems meme. I wasn't aware of living on the street being a cure for OCD though.

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

Queue the first world problems meme. I wasn't aware of living on the street being a cure for OCD though.

Try it.

 

[CarlJ]

But even with the Fox cloud of misinformation, can it possibly be that they've forgotten or don't understand the recession of 2007 and 2008? That is the thing that I just don't get. Your head can be as buried in the sand as possible, but those events must have gotten through, right?

They have "alternative facts" to explain the recession. They see events through a Breitbart-colored lens. Sigh.

 

[Rocketman]

They have "alternative facts" to explain the recession. They see events through a Breitbart-colored lens. Sigh.

The problem with the alternative fact claim is you are the likely one experiencing it. Fox's ratings are about double the competition and are #1 among D viewers too. People gravitate toward factual news.

 

[TallManNY]

The problem with the alternative fact claim is you are the likely one experiencing it. Fox's ratings are about double the competition and are #1 among D viewers too. People gravitate toward factual news.

What about you? Do you think the Recession of 2008 was no worse or not much different than the current economic climate? I see it as very different. But folks who think Obama has been the worst president ever seem to think we are in dire straights now and, I guess, they think back when the Bush and the GOP was last in charge everything was much better.

 

[Rocketman]

What about you? Do you think the Recession of 2008 was no worse or not much different than the current economic climate? I see it as very different. But folks who think Obama has been the worst president ever seem to think we are in dire straights now and, I guess, they think back when the Bush and the GOP was last in charge everything was much better.

I have a degree in economics. 2008 was a liquidity crisis and TARP fixed that and returned the money with interest. $900m.

The response of Obama (with only D votes in the House, Senate, Presidency) was to run up $1T in new spending (added to Bush's last budget thus tagging him with a much larger exit deficit) using 100% debt and add substantial new income taxes and take over the health care market. That was a huge drag on private investment, new employment, net incomes, and he caused the following recession and prevented the typical market snap-back after a liquidity crisis. His policies lowered the GDP growth rate by about 1.5% to about 1.5% net. When he brags about 70 months of job growth, that's because it was throttled to only that small level for a long period rather than the typical cyclical spurts and pauses with higher net growth. Read my links to learn more.

By not agreeing to a budget after 2009 at all, he grandfathered in the stimulus deficit spending for the next 6 years, by only agreeing to continuing resolutions, one of which had a sequester attached to it by R. That's how we got from $10T in debt to $20T when he left office. His budget legacy will flow into the first full year of the new administration as well.

 

[mike1123]

Conservatives keep making this claim. What on earth did President Obama do to make the country more racially divided? Was it that he didn't keep the non-white people in their place, and let them get all uppity, wanting to be treated like equals? This country has a lot of racial trouble (that is not a new thing), he just wasn't sweeping it under the rug.

Black Lives Matter was created because of Obama's obsession with playing the race card.

 

[CarlJ]

Black Lives Matter was created because of Obama's obsession with playing the race card.

No, Black Lives Matter was created because of a long string of widely covered shootings of unarmed black men by police officers. The whole point, embodied in their name, being that yes, black lives matter just as much as white lives do. A number of police officers apparently hadn't gotten that memo. How, precisely, did President Obama play the race card in that whole situation?

 

[TallManNY]

I have a degree in economics. 2008 was a liquidity crisis and TARP fixed that and returned the money with interest. $900m.

The response of Obama (with only D votes in the House, Senate, Presidency) was to run up $1T in new spending (added to Bush's last budget thus tagging him with a much larger exit deficit) using 100% debt and add substantial new income taxes and take over the health care market. That was a huge drag on private investment, new employment, net incomes, and he caused the following recession and prevented the typical market snap-back after a liquidity crisis. His policies lowered the GDP growth rate by about 1.5% to about 1.5% net. When he brags about 70 months of job growth, that's because it was throttled to only that small level for a long period rather than the typical cyclical spurts and pauses with higher net growth. Read my links to learn more.

By not agreeing to a budget after 2009 at all, he grandfathered in the stimulus deficit spending for the next 6 years, by only agreeing to continuing resolutions, one of which had a sequester attached to it by R. That's how we got from $10T in debt to $20T when he left office. His budget legacy will flow into the first full year of the new administration as well.

Yes it was mainly a liquidity crisis at the moment. But Obama was crucial in getting the government to recognize and act on this. Recall that there was a major meeting presided by Bush and attended by all major members of government during the crisis. Obama was leading the polls and reports from that meeting are that he took control of it. McCain was silent and a bit out of his element on financial and economic issues. But a conservative position on these type of events is that governments should not act and it should let the market do its thing. That would have been a disaster in this case. TARP was a good response and as you know very successful and even a money maker. Bush made the call, but he took guidance from Obama on the main issues and the response.

As for the rest of the term, I think it is highly speculative about how much growth rates were lowered by increased deficit spending and some of the other policy decisions. I didn't see any links to read in your post though. But if your general view is that marginal income tax rates being modestly increased substantially drags private investment, I have to disagree. I don't have a degree in economics (well, I minored in quantitative economics, but 200-level courses many years ago is really not relevant). But I have been involved in many billions of dollars in deals and investments. So I do know a bit about why deals are done and why businesses expand. After-tax analysis is rarely a driver of a deal.

 

[Rocketman]

Yes it was mainly a liquidity crisis at the moment. But Obama was crucial in getting the government to recognize and act on this. Recall that there was a major meeting presided by Bush and attended by all major members of government during the crisis. Obama was leading the polls and reports from that meeting are that he took control of it. McCain was silent and a bit out of his element on financial and economic issues. But a conservative position on these type of events is that governments should not act and it should let the market do its thing. That would have been a disaster in this case. TARP was a good response and as you know very successful and even a money maker. Bush made the call, but he took guidance from Obama on the main issues and the response.

As for the rest of the term, I think it is highly speculative about how much growth rates were lowered by increased deficit spending and some of the other policy decisions. I didn't see any links to read in your post though. But if your general view is that marginal income tax rates being modestly increased substantially drags private investment, I have to disagree. I don't have a degree in economics (well, I minored in quantitative economics, but 200-level courses many years ago is really not relevant). But I have been involved in many billions of dollars in deals and investments. So I do know a bit about why deals are done and why businesses expand. After-tax analysis is rarely a driver of a deal.

McCain you are correct. Bush looped Obama in. Obama had no say. He was informed. Just like Obama and Trump today. Trump had no say till 1-20 and is now changing everything!

My expertise is not speculative. I lived through 1981 and 2000 and 2001-2 and 2006-9. I saw Nixon'a and Kennedy's policies. Kennedy, Reagan and Trump will substantially reduce marginal income tax rates (increasing net revenue). Growth will follow without inflation.

Deals are micro-economics. I am talking Macro-economics. My deals in my business are controlled by the regulations, laws and taxes imposed by a government. When those rules change substantially my deals change substantially.