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"...it's hard to imagine a part of your life that you can't have an app for..."

LOL, and Cook just gave the a powerful answer that proves, why there MUST be sideloading on every platform and device, and no company should be in total control what an user can install, or a developer can develop and distribute.

"When asked why apps can't direct users to deals on their websites, Cook said it would be "akin to Apple down at Best Buy saying 'Best Buy, put a sign there advertising where we are and that you can go across the street and get an iPhone.'"

Sure, but customers a.k.a. users can go elsewhere and buy it.
Just another reason to force open the platform, currently Apple users can't go elsewhere.
Very hard to understand your reasoning here. Can you go to BestBuy and look at an item, leave the store and purchase on Amazon? Yes, you sure can. But, Amazon can't advertise in BestBuy.
Again, you don't have to buy an iPhone or iOS device of any kind. If you don't like the store, you don't have to shop there either.
 
Let me translate Tim corporate speech:

"...For us, the customer is everything"

=> For us, the customer is our bitch. Out of generosity we'll eventually let him be app developer's customer, but it is our bitch first".
 
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The most important item here is that the 30% commision is not for payment processing alone. It also is for Xcode, swift, API’s, CloudKit services, 1000s of hours training videos for all topics from design to marketting and various other tools that Apple provides developers for free. To put this is perspective, Microsoft studio professional costs over $1000 per year per developer. And the training material is laughable when compared to what Apple provides. This is the real reason why the App Store became such a game changer.
Why is the iPhone so expensive then? Every time an article pops up about the price of the iPhone components people argue that [ios] development costs are included in the final price.
 
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Very hard to understand your reasoning here. Can you go to BestBuy and look at an item, leave the store and purchase on Amazon? Yes, you sure can. But, Amazon can't advertise in BestBuy.
Again, you don't have to buy an iPhone or iOS device of any kind. If you don't like the store, you don't have to shop there either.
There isn’t a consistent logic. It’s the equivalent of telling Coca Cola they have a monopoly on what goes into a Coca Cola can.
 
It’d be cool not to have to transform our entire digital lifestyle just because we want to do a thing that our phone is more than capable of doing, but can’t because Apple says so.
What your really saying is "I want Apple to build this great device and iOS, then let me do whatever I want on it how ever I want, whenever I want.". Which doesn't work in real life let alone a business. Apple sells a product, if you don't like it. You can shop elsewhere. If you don't like it after you bought it, you can transfer your digital life elsewhere too.
If you don't like that answer, you can build your own phone, make it work with Android OS and solve all your issues right there.
 
To those of you closely following the case, anything about Apple's Complete & Total Stranglehold on "App Discovery" ?

This is where, IMO, the App Store is most catastrophically broken !

Easily remedied, though.

For example, third-party "App Discovery" App Stores that would compete with Apple head-on WRT, wait for it ..., App Discovery !

And of course, get a cut of Apple's portion for their success !
 
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To those of you closely following the case, anything about Apple's Complete & Total Stranglehold on "App Discovery" ?

This is where, IMO, the App Store is most catastrophically broken !

Easily remedied, though.

For example, third-party "App Discovery" App Stores that would compete with Apple head-on WRT, wait for it ..., App Discovery !

And of course, get a cut of Apple's portion for their success !
The Epic lawyer was actually grilling Cook on app curation a few minutes ago, right before the break. He pointed out that no one other than Apple can control what’s featured on that store, and thus, no one other than Apple can feature apps on the iPhone as a whole. Cook did point out that people are free to say whatever they want and recommend apps however they like “out in the wild” (translation: on the open internet).
 
lol profit, you can't make profit if you resell it on the bay or local sites.
That's always a money loss, and you would also have to rebuy apps and games that you already own.
It's all build up to trap and lockin, just like they stated in the emails which went public.
I can't reuse my Xbox games on Playstation either. I guess I'm equally trapped?
 
integrated link between hardware, software and services? Shame my airpods max won’t work with Apple Music Hifi when wired :(
Seeing it is not released yet, that is all just speculation. There is also speculation that an update could remedy that as well as updating codecs to ALAC and FLAC. I guess we will know more upon release and after WWDC shows what is new for the OSs

But you also know that the AirPods were released before lossless, right? That is like saying a 2004 computer doesn't support HDMI
 
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"...it's hard to imagine a part of your life that you can't have an app for..."

LOL, and Cook just gave the a powerful answer that proves, why there MUST be sideloading on every platform and device, and no company should be in total control what an user can install, or a developer can develop and distribute.

"When asked why apps can't direct users to deals on their websites, Cook said it would be "akin to Apple down at Best Buy saying 'Best Buy, put a sign there advertising where we are and that you can go across the street and get an iPhone.'"

Sure, but customers a.k.a. users can go elsewhere and buy it.
Just another reason to force open the platform, currently Apple users can't go elsewhere.
I'm Calling BS! 1) any developer can develop an app and have it on the App Store (so long as they meet contractual obligations), 2) Any developer can advertise his product in any venue he chooses to, App Store included or not, 3) Customers can buy any number of Android phones, 4) customers can pay for apps through vbucks, os subscriptions advertised, and paid for off the App Store completely.

Seriously dude!
 
I’ve never heard of anyone being allowed to testify for a fixed amount of time just because he’s a busy man.
no offense, but are you a legal expert of any kind? I have actually heard of it, and I am not. did work a lot with corporate legal departments though, oh and I stayed at aHoliday Inn Express last night!
 
All this mess because Epic wanted to sell their V-Bucks 2 dollars more lmao
Also, somebody cares to remind me why they are sueing Apple but not Google, although they take the exact same commission in their Store?
 
It’d be cool not to have to transform our entire digital lifestyle just because we want to do a thing that our phone is more than capable of doing, but can’t because Apple says so.
It's their sandbox. You either play by their rules or find another sandbox. Or if you're creative and entrepreneurial enough create your own sandbox.
 
Why is the iPhone so expensive then? Every time an article pops up about the price of the iPhone components people argue that [ios] development costs are included in the final price.
The price is split between iPhone cost and App Store commissions. Apple’s net profit margin as per their profit and loss statement is 21%. This includes cost for R&D and all profits from all sources. In comparison, Google’s net profit margin in 32%. Facebook’s net is 36%. As you can see from these plain numbers, even with the cost of the iPhone and the 30% App Store commission, both users and developers are getting an excellent deal from Apple for the quality of services and products they receive.
 
Also, somebody cares to remind me why they are sueing Apple but not Google, although they take the exact same commission in their Store?
They are suing Google. Don’t overlook that point. Although I think their case is far, far weaker against Google than against Apple. The fact that they still have Fortnite on Android despite the fact that Google removed them is pretty conclusive itself.
But you also know that the AirPods were released before lossless, right? That is like saying a 2004 computer doesn't support HDMI
That’s a massive stretch. Wired headphones have been able to support this sort of lossless audio for decades. AirPods Max are also only 5 months old. I sure hope that they’ll end up being compatible. I suppose we’ll find out at WWDC.
 
The most important item here is that the 30% commision is not for payment processing alone. It also is for Xcode, swift, API’s, CloudKit services, 1000s of hours training videos for all topics from design to marketting and various other tools that Apple provides developers for free. To put this is perspective, Microsoft studio professional costs over $1000 per year per developer. And the training material is laughable when compared to what Apple provides. This is the real reason why the App Store became such a game changer.

And profit needs to be allocated and collected as well. *IF* 38% is applied for GPM that would be 11.4%. And if 20% for NPM, that would be 6%.
 
Hmm. Even though his comments are addressing privacy, replace the word "everyone" with "Apple's app review board", then it's totally okay for developers to do less over time. Wait, what's this whole court case about anyway? Privacy, right?


Hmm. So your income is allocated non-specifically to the App Store… In other words, the App Store's "expenses" aren't high enough to warrant specific consideration? Wait, why are we charging developers 30% on in-app purchases and subscriptions? Oh yeah, to fund R&D not specifically related to the App Store.


Ha! Hahahaha!!! I'm surprised and delighted at the stupidity to use this analogy in court. You can't "be both a judge and a player". Furthermore, products (especially toys) often have special deals inside their boxes that invite the purchaser to go to their website for special deals. Best Buy still sells those products. If that's not enough, the iPhone is not a brick-and-mortar store, it's a digital internet device. To compare online intangible purchases with real-world tangible purchases needs a lot more explanation than a simple analogy that presumes the two to be equivalent.

This is so problematic and the judge will see right through it. Like I said, I'm surprised at this statement, but delighted.
Pretty poor summation here folks. 1) Many companies don't focus on internal P&Ls as if they are a separate operating entity. They would mostly use Gross revenue, and direct operating expenses. things like floor space allocations, R&D, server costs, General and Admin, Taxes, etc, etc, etc are not necessarily allocated. The point of the accounting is to drive profitability and efficiency, not the actual profit from each entity. (Its accounting, there are courses on that) 2) Every app has a link to the developer's web site, just like on Amazon. Amazon does not let you place a button to find the purchase and then purchase it on another site, but they have to deliver it anyway. this subject is called anti-steerage (you can look it up for more info). it is totally legal and not uncommon. Amazon does not allow it in their web store, Best Buy does not allow it in their stores. 3) Any developer can advertise (just like on amazon or Best Buy) any where they choose, they can even sell vbucks (Epic) outside of the app store to pay a 0% commission.

So, maybe this helped you understand the issue without taking accounting and business law courses.
 
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