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Not always about perception,but sometimes just common sense. What has Tim Cook brought to the table that's excelled?

Apple Pay? Nope.

Apple Watch? Nope.

Apple Music? Nope.

Everything else has been ridiculously small improvements over someone else's inventions.
You got that right, when the top of the line New Mac Pro and rMBP 15 is sporting 3 year old hardware (CPU/GPU!), they don't even get the small improvements right!
 
Tim: It's true, Jimmy. May I call you Jimmy? We've run out of ideas at Apple and our computer line up
is a prehistoric, over priced, steaming pile of junk. But we've got plenty of money to buy people
and companies who still have great ideas. Our innovative and magical vision is to throw lots of money
against the wall and see what sticks with our hordes of ever obedient and oh so pliant iSheeple.
Can I interest you in an amazing watch band? No?

Jimmy: Wooooooooooooooo
 
I agree with and am quite surprised with the cynicism here. But as I keep saying despite the fact I jumped ship to Samsung last year - I won't say "Told you so" until September of this year. That's the make or break point when the iPhone 7 arrives. Unless it is radically different then the people will eventually realise the metaphorical Emperor is naked. If they produce a genuinely new design and innovative product then it'll give them more time.
 
"We remain optimistic about China", "Incredible market opportunity", "We care about creating amazing products", "Incredible product pipeline", "Incredible customer satisfaction numbers", "Incredible team", "Strong US$"...-ish

... Incredibly easy to predict what he will say. Boring, even.
But he is right, you know.
 
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And Jobs never felt the need to appear on tv/speak with Cramer to try to prop the stock up. Jobs just followed the advice of Paul McCartney and "Let It Be"© :p
You're totaly right.

Jobs had this "follow me and you'll be fine" aditude. That's a visionairy and leader at the same time with followers who believe in the path he walks. And that's just what made Apple (and personal computing) what it is today and why Apple will never get that spirit back.
 
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Not that I dislike Tim but I miss Jobs, he was uncompromising in his vision and that's what made Apple what it is/was.
We all know that was what made Apple great. So the question is: Is Tim incapable of emulating Steve, or is he just choosing not to?

It would never happen, but right now Apple buying Tesla and putting Elon in as COO, or CEO and making Tim COO. Elon Musk is the only person alive that is a Steve Jobs. With his vision, Tim's business sense, and Apple's money Apple could accomplish what everyone expects of them.
 
Tim Cook is desperate. Prepare for the usual talking points, "Apple is as innovative as we've ever been", etc. But running Apple is like being the Governor of California. It is almost impossible to do well, unless you are someone like Steve Jobs.

Without someone like him at the helm, Apple will be unmanageable. The problem isn't that Tim Cook is a bad CEO (I don't think he is). I just think that Apple requires a very unique individual at the helm. Unfortunately that kind of person is 1 in 6 billion (give or take).

You mean an arrogant ass with an absolute vision? Jobs was a you know what alright, but good God did he have vision and was a hell of a salesman and spin doctor.
But he was also a perfectionist.
I don't hold Cook anywhere near Jobs, Jobs was entertaining to watch despite what you thought of him, Cook is someone you would boo of the stage he's so utterly dull, and the rest aren't much better either. Ive should just never be allowed to speak in a product video, unapologetically plastic!

But who would replace Cook?
 
Tim: It's true, Jimmy. May I call you Jimmy? We've run out of ideas at Apple and our computer line up
is a prehistoric, over priced, steaming pile of junk. But we've got plenty of money to buy people
and companies who still have great ideas. Our innovative and magical vision is to throw lots of money
against the wall and see what sticks with our hordes of ever obedient and oh so pliant iSheeple.
Can I interest you in an amazing watch band? No?

Jimmy: Wooooooooooooooo

Has this forum just completely turned into a toxic pool of snark? I'm not sure why I bother to keep coming back.
 
I feel like they need a more tech-oriented guy at the top. Cook is a numbers guy and is tremendous at that, but I feel like he doesn't use the products enough to be critical of them when they are less than they could be.

Wouldn't mind seeing what someone like Craig Federighi (SVP of Software Engineering) would come up with if given control. Or maybe bring back Avie Tevanian.
 
"We remain optimistic about China", "Incredible market opportunity", "We care about creating amazing products", "Incredible product pipeline", "Incredible customer satisfaction numbers", "Incredible team", "Strong US$"...-ish

... Incredibly easy to predict what he will say. Boring, even.
But he is right, you know.

That's the thing. Apple still makes the best products in the business. Apple has one slightly down quarter after dominating the entire world of business under Tim Cook's watch and people are trying to get rid of him.
 
Tim: It's true, Jimmy. May I call you Jimmy? We've run out of ideas at Apple and our computer line up
is a prehistoric, over priced, steaming pile of junk. But we've got plenty of money to buy people
and companies who still have great ideas. Our innovative and magical vision is to throw lots of money
against the wall and see what sticks with our hordes of ever obedient and oh so pliant iSheeple.
Can I interest you in an amazing watch band? No?

Jimmy: Wooooooooooooooo


Bubba - it hurts to read that but it is on the money...
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SJ put all of his passion and soul into building products that people loved. Tim Cook seems to be more concerned about stock price these days.

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I do not believe that Cook & his team have a vision or an execution capacity - that is why the stock is in the tank. Apple is doomed if Cook's concern about stock price is being reflected in the stock price performance - think about it.
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You mean an arrogant ass with an absolute vision? Jobs was a you know what alright, but good God did he have vision and was a hell of a salesman and spin doctor.
But he was also a perfectionist.
I don't hold Cook anywhere near Jobs, Jobs was entertaining to watch despite what you thought of him, Cook is someone you would boo of the stage he's so utterly dull, and the rest aren't much better either. Ive should just never be allowed to speak in a product video, unapologetically plastic!

But who would replace Cook?


The CEO is responsible to the board for delivering ROI to the shareholders. You do that by envisioning and launching game changing products in the tech space. Cook is a failure as a CEO.
 
Considering that Tim would never reveal "what's coming next", should make for a pretty boring interview. This would seem to be a reaction to the tanking of Apple's stock.
 
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So like I said then. But who would you have replace him?

A certain ex-CEO of HP would be a fine choice. Great political connections, not afraid to drop the ax and high profile enough to make an immediate splash and demand respect from all employees.
 
That cash is stuck overseas and if repatriated would take a 35% haircut due to taxes.
Foreign cash can buy companies, just can't be repatriated to the original firm!

Plus Apple can borrow at near 0% interest, maybe negative rates in EU! At 0% one should buy everything with a growth rate above 5% and discuss the rest later.

100% of the proceeds from that junk should be in an account to reduce debt one minute after rates go above 3%.

BTW foreign entity balance sheets are separate from Apple so do not drag down the growth rate by investing in lower growth firms on their cash. Just increases the IRR.
 
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I think what's interesting to me is that people don't remember this happening before the iphone 6 came out. Apple went through this cycle already with 5s not selling as well as initially thought. People crying that "innovation is dead" then apple came out with the iphone 6 and then people cried that apple is just "following the crowd" but apple made a killing.

People are going to say there's not much more "obvious" upgrades to the iphone, but I don't think that's true. There's still stuff like VR, even bigger screens with smaller bezels, new materials, etc. i'll wait until the 7 cycle to determine if innovaiton has died in apple.
 
Not that I dislike Tim but I miss Jobs, he was uncompromising in his vision and that's what made Apple what it is/was.

You mean, profitable? Yes, Tim Cook is doing a terrible job here. What is this weird longing for the Apple of the late 90s, when its survival was not assured at all? The bulk of Apple's profits didn't come from Steve Jobs' tenure (whose record at unveiling new products isn't flawless); they've been accruing rather impressively overall since he died.

But given the near hysterical reaction (and I don't mean "funny") here, it appears that *you* all need to be reassured more than investors do.
 
I feel like they need a more tech-oriented guy at the top. Cook is a numbers guy and is tremendous at that, but I feel like he doesn't use the products enough to be critical of them when they are less than they could be.

Wouldn't mind seeing what someone like Craig Federighi (SVP of Software Engineering) would come up with if given control. Or maybe bring back Avie Tevanian.

... or maybe Scott Forstall. Sorry Jony, you'll have to sit down now.
 
It could be a lot worse, I don't see what the guy has done wrong. We have more choice under Cook, bigger iPhone's for a start, and since job died Apple has grown. They have had one bad quarter and everyone is over reacting, they made 10 billion in profits and sold more iPhone's than any other company can probably dream of for one quarter.

The first problem is that Apple is expected to be a perpetual novelty machine. No one and nothing on Earth can be that. It is, however, by its own advertisement, supposed to be a premium product corporation. I am finding it increasingly difficult to see where Apple is ahead of some of its competitors in the products it offers. Dropbox is superior to iCloud. iTunes needs fine-tuning (whose idea was it to remove the icon to tell songs to repeat?!). iWork has been dumbed down and has never recovered from that. Then there are the usual complaints about not making waterproof iPhones (not been a problem for me), lower battery life (yes, that is an issue for me), lower RAM space than peers, and so on. Finder still won't let me me Cut and Paste files.

Has Tim done anything wrong? Not really. He just hasn't done anything that the picky public (myself included) considers spectacular.
 
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"We have some amazing products we are working on."

"We are pleased with the overwhelming positive reaction to our products"

"We are so happy so many love what we do, WE love what we do"

Yes, Tim, keep rolling the same lines out
 
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