Apple CEO Tim Cook: Trump's Decision to Withdraw From Paris Accord 'Was Wrong for Our Planet'

[RamGuy]

So everyone is upset over this, what difference will pulling out actually make on the environment ? The planet has been changing climates for 1000's of years, some of you people act like your mere existence means everything should stop changing now.

Your argument is counter-intuitive. You claim the Paris deal and acts to try saving the environment is prohibiting change? But the fact is that it forces the world into going in the complete opposite direction.
Trump is pulling out of the Paris Accord for one simple reason; he does not want to change. He doesn’t want to be forced into changing the US from utilizing coal mines, he doesn’t want the US to have a newer, more environmental friendly market that puts US car manufactures in a disadvantage as they have a rough time keeping up with the newer, stricter environmental requirements etc...

It’s all about Trump, and the US not wanting change as change would be bad for American jobs and economy short-term. He’s acting like all other rich and stubborn people that won’t accept the fact that our climate and environment are in rough shape and something must change to save it. As one being in a good position today, he does not want things to change as that might result in himself and his country being in a worse position in the future.

One can always argue and understand his logic, at least short-term. But the thing is does it really matter if the environment makes the plant inhabitable in the coming generations? For Trump this is all about creating jobs and strengthening the US economy which is his sole purpose for becoming the President. He does not think long-term, not at all. All he wants are numbers that he can use to proclaim he has been successful in his term as President. The climate and environment is not his problem, as he won’t be President for more than the next seven years, tops anyways.

 

[niploteksi]

If it hasn't been posted already...

WAIVER you idiot. Not WAVER!!

He's been

Wait. Are you being serious? Because he used it correctly... **facepalm**

So much covfefe these days.

 

[sudo1996]

If it hasn't been posted already...

WAIVER you idiot. Not WAVER!!

Just right-click each word, press show definition, and check for yourself.

 

[Bacillus]

TC: Don, you blew it.
DT: What ?
TC: You made us, sorry US, look ridiculous in front of the world !!
DT: Who's saying so ?
TC:: I am, as CEO of the largest company of the Planet: Apple
DT: Well, wasn't that a leading computer company once ? Before it got lamented ?
So, to resurrect that and the rest of corporate America I had to make this decision.
Making myself look like a fool. Bye.

 

[chr1s60]

Just came here to read all the Macrumors experts.

 

[Planey28]

China is the largest polluter, not the US. Check your facts before making false statements.

Yeah and the US is second and not far behind. Tit for tat, the US is still heavily polluting either way and needs to sort it out.

 

[sudo1996]

I suppose but then we really don't need the federal government. Maybe just a defense treaty and that's all. Everything else is, in one way or another, someone forcing something on someone else. I personally think our system of government is idiotic. The whole state versus federal battle, only two political parties, etc. It's as if the people who invented this dumb system wanted the country to be in a constant state of internal conflict.

I enumerated some reasons back there, and I think the trade/currency is a big one... What you're describing is like NATO, and a step towards the US is the EU. Both of those have problems with nations trying to do their own thing, and social issues don't matter there. NATO for example always has problems with certain nations not providing military support. And all these international organizations seem to be falling apart now. I'd say the US is looking really solid for such a big collection of country-sized states.

 

[Planey28]

In a few years you will get to re-vote and your new president will most likely make it their mission to sign up again.

If this forum is anything go by, plenty of ignorant stubborn people will vote for him again

 

[BruceEBonus]

I'll bet there are a few world leaders who would sign a new climate change accord , that would involve farting noxious gases into Donald Trump's Whitehouse bedroom

 

[Three141]

If this forum is anything go by, plenty of ignorant stubborn people will vote for him again

I'm not in the business of calling people uneducated or degrading them for how they vote, doing that will just cement people's resistance, everyone has their reasons for voting and everything has an opposite.

On Trump, I can't see him winning a second term, you will have 3 years worth of new voters who detest the current president, you should get a higher voter turnout, the media will need to learn to focus on oppositions strength as opposed to Trump's jokes and general bashing of him and his base; which united them so well.

One beautiful thing about the US, is those guys love an underdog; that 'underdog' aura would need to be diss-armed from Trump.

If he wins the next election; I'll be surprised and nothing has done that since the Tories won the last election.

 

[ilian92]

This is false. One, it's not a treaty ratified by congress. Two, we are a sovereign nation and other countries can't force us to do anything.

People far smarter than you and I have spoken in support of this. The majority of countries in the world are in support of this.

No one is forcing you to do anything, but the rest of the world is asking you to do the right thing. Unless your ego is bigger than that of course.

 

[CoreForce]

In a few years you will get to re-vote and your new president will most likely make it their mission to sign up again.

Actually the exit procedure takes so long (3+ years) it touches the period for the next president, if there is. A new president would simply have to cancel the vote to exit the Paris agreement.

 

[dragje]

Now the good news, even the fact that Donald Trump is food for psychologist, Trump can't stop companies willing to continue in investments for new technologies which deal with various climate change issues. Even whole states, like California for example, have already committed to continue with investments in alternative energie.

So even when American voters choose to put a really ignorant and uneducated leader in charge, it will not stop the movement dealing in a positive way with climate change issues.

 

[sudo1996]

I'm not in the business of calling people uneducated or degrading them for how they vote, doing that will just cement people resistance, everyone has their reasons for voting and everything has an opposite.

On Trump, I can't see him winning a second term, you will have 3 years worth of new voters who detest the current president, you should get a higher voter turnout, the media will need to learn to focus on oppositions strength as opposed to Trump's jokes and general bashing of him and his base which united them so well.

One beautiful thing about the US is you guys love an underdog, that needs to be diss armed from Trump.

If he wins the next election; i'll be surprised and nothing has done that since the Tories won the last election.

Exactly. His victory was (hopefully) a wakeup call. I sat through months of asking people what the heck "Drumpf" meant, only to get a sarcastic response, and it was clear that they didn't take things seriously enough. And then it happened! My friends set up an election party, and many were treating it like a Clinton election party while a few had their MAGA hats on, watching the TV closely. I saw their smiles fade very slowly as the votes came in. Beer-guzzling turned to arguing over his chances of winning. I left to do homework. Came back later to friends crying in the house and randos rioting in the streets, and I knew he had won somehow. And now they're calling our president a Nazi, just like all the Obama-haters did in 2008. Pathetic.

Next time, Democrats, realize that Trump voters do exist. Don't dismiss them as a bunch of idiots who don't deserve representation like Romney did with the Democrats in 2012; it looks pretentious. And put up a candidate who isn't terrible. That's the only way to win an election. You know you messed up your strategy when someone like Trump wins. (I say this thinking Trump won't do a good job, but I'm still unsure myself.)

 

[alexgowers]

I suspect trump is still the lesser of two evils, those in succession are as bat **** crazy as him or more so. He put in unpalatable alternatives to make himself look like the better choice. I feel sorry for you guys and the damage he's doing to your country that will take decades to undo. Tech companies getting pissed is a really bad sign, he's making enemies and expanding military spending. If it looks like a dictator it is a dictator.

 

[dragje]

Great move by Trump. Now lets go after those epa nazis and their ridiculous demands for our automakers.

You're living in the past, reality can't be denied.

It's your opinion versus 98% of scientist who do share the consensus that climate change is real. It's really a rhetorical question which side can be 'trusted' more in all of this, the ignorant people with zero knowledge about science to begin with or the scientist who simple base there views on climate change based on scientific research.

On top of that, "your" automakers will eventually make products which are obsolete when the world is slowly heading towards electronic cars. There is no "our automakers" in this context, climate change and the consequences will affect everyone world wide, so spare me the silly nationalism in this, or as Einstein rightfully put it, quoting: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind".

 

[Taipan]

I wonder on what planet Trump has lived for the last two decades or so that he hasn't noticed it's real.

 

[JGRE]

I don't get this, how can one maniac (becoming president by money and suspicious connections with Russia) change the whole USA back to the stone-age without anybody doing something against this. This is not democracy, this is dictatorship!!!!
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Great move by Trump. Now lets go after those epa nazis and their ridiculous demands for our automakers.

People like you scare the hell out off me. Where is the world getting to?

 

[actinide]

Is he though? Apple tries to make it so that you replace your computer more often, and they try to make it so that you do it through their own Apple Store's or certified resellers. Same goes for all servicing on the phones, if you want to keep your warranty it must be done through certified service partners.
By doing it this way, Apple has much better control over the entire recycling process and that gives them a much better opportunity to do it in an environmentally friendly way.
How exactly would upgradeable notebooks be friendlier to the environment compared to the one's Apple is currently offering? The technology becomes more power efficient for every generation, having people shrug along their old computers with degraded batteries and higher power requirements is not benefitting anyone.

One can always argue that the whole “use and toss” mentality that we have going on is not good for the enviroment. But claiming that Apple is somehow doing worse for the environment just because their products are not easily upgradeable or serviceable for people outside Apple doesn’t really make much of difference.

This seems more like an argument people use because they don’t like the fact that they can’t easily upgrade their Apple products. They use “environment” as an excuse to get back user replaceable components even though it doesn’t really have anything to do with the environment.

You do realize recycling is among the other options (being reduce and reuse) the worst alternative. Recycling can be a energy-intensive process and can also generate quantities of pollutants. Consider the following steps in recycling: transportation, disassemble, size reduction, separation, reduce to raw material, transportation, redesign, reuse, transportation.

Please tell me how this is a poor call of judgment from people wanting upgradeable devices.
Please tell me how this is more environmental sustainable / energy efficient, knowing that apple doesn't do anything of the above. Hence working with third parties.

Will they reintroduce upgradable devices, not a chance. Tim Cook has the responsibility to please his investors / shareholders.

Apple is doing a great job in deceiving most consumers with regard to their commitment to environmental sustainability.

Please remove your comment because it screams ignorance / naiveté.

 

[JGRE]

So what are you really saying? That everyone should feel the way you do? See things the way you do?

In respect to this: YES, 100%!
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How is getting good gas mileage a bad thing?

Because the Japanese and the Germans are way better at this. It is just a point of ignoring the truth and looking the other way.

 

[alexgowers]

Exactly. His victory was (hopefully) a wakeup call. I sat through months of asking people what the heck "Drumpf" meant, only to get a sarcastic response, and it was clear that they didn't take things seriously enough. And then it happened! My friends set up an election party, and many were treating it like a Clinton election party while a few had their MAGA hats on, watching the TV closely. I saw their smiles fade very slowly as the votes came in. Beer-guzzling turned to arguing over his chances of winning. I left to do homework. Came back later to friends crying in the house and randos rioting in the streets. It was pathetic.

Next time, Democrats, realize that Trump voters do exist. Don't dismiss them as a bunch of idiots who don't deserve representation like Romney did with the Democrats in 2012; it looks pretentious. And put up a candidate who isn't terrible. That's the only way to win an election. You know you messed up your strategy when someone like Trump wins. (I say this thinking Trump won't do a good job, but I'm still unsure myself.)

I think it's important to remember that hillary was a very very unlikeable candidate but still got more votes. Trump winning a second term against almost anyone human is an impossibility. The likelihood he'll last the first term is scarce.

 

[Winni]

trump is right. we don't know who is actually getting $400 billion dollars. thats too much money. its time to stop American citizens from paying for everything

Funny. I always thought we Germans are paying for everything. And I'm pretty sure if you ask somebody from France or the United Kingdom, they will most likely believe that they're the ones paying for it all.

 

[JGRE]

You do realize recycling is among the other options (being reduce and reuse) the worst alternative. Recycling can be a energy-intensive process and can also generate quantities of pollutants. Consider the following steps in recycling: transportation, disassemble, size reduction, separation, reduce to raw material, transportation, redesign, reuse, transportation.

Please tell me how this is a poor call of judgment from people wanting upgradeable devices.
Please tell me how this is more environmental sustainable / energy efficient, knowing that apple doesn't do anything of the above. Hence working with third parties.

Will they reintroduce upgradable devices, not a chance. Tim Cook has the responsibility to please his investors / shareholders.

Apple is doing a great job in deceiving most consumers with regard to their commitment to environmental sustainability.

Please remove your comment because it screams ignorance / naiveté.

Agree, if I would not have been able to upgrade the HDD to SSD in my 2011 MBP, it would have landed in the garbage bin some time ago (recycling is just a media term), now I can happily use for some more years (saving the planet). With the new MBP's this is no longer possible (killing the planet).

 

[honglong1976]

Volcanoes produce quite a lot of C02 and they don't pay anything towards climate change.

Europe is all for climate change and yet VW managed to polute and contribute a huge amount of C02 via their diesel cars all over Europe! (trojan horse style) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

Do we really know the effects of population over a sample of 100/200 years for a planet that's been around millions of years? surely we need a bigger sample?

Also, I suspect a lot of those against the US are more worried about their business than the environment!

 

[JGRE]

Funny. I always thought we Germans are paying for everything. And I'm pretty sure if you ask somebody from France or the United Kingdom, they will most likely believe that they're the ones paying for it all.

The world is full with self-centered people and the US is becoming the world champion is this. But let's wait when this starts back-firing at them, they will be crying like babies in a few years when they have to pay the real bill Trump is creating with his short-sighted self-centered populistic madness.