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Actually the exit procedure takes so long (3+ years) it touches the period for the next president, if there is. A new president would simply have to cancel the vote to exit the Paris agreement.

Thanks for the information, I did not know it took that long.
 
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I think it's important to remember that hillary was a very very unlikeable candidate but still got more votes. Trump winning a second term against almost anyone human is an impossibility. The likelihood he'll last the first term is scarce.
Republicans who win the presidential race always lose the popular vote. The delegate vote system is factored into their strategies, and it's factored into the Democrats' strategies. I wouldn't say a lost popular vote means it was a close battle.
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I don't get this, how can one maniac (becoming president by money and suspicious connections with Russia) change the whole USA back to the stone-age without anybody doing something against this. This is not democracy, this is dictatorship!!!!
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People like you scare the hell out off me. Where is the world getting to?
I also don't get how he can do so much, but apparently he can. It's a little disturbing. I guess the president has all sorts of power I didn't know about before.
 
Frankly, I am not too worried about all this. Leaving Paris can't be done over night, its a process that will take years — and in the meantime Trump will become history and his successors will have to fix all the damage.

I also don't get how he can do so much, but apparently he can. It's a little disturbing. I guess the president has all sorts of power I didn't know about before.

Yep, Trump is exposing how bonkers U.S. system actually is. Its incredible how much power is delegated to a single person.
 
Exactly. His victory was (hopefully) a wakeup call. I sat through months of asking people what the heck "Drumpf" meant, only to get a sarcastic response, and it was clear that they didn't take things seriously enough. And then it happened! My friends set up an election party, and many were treating it like a Clinton election party while a few had their MAGA hats on, watching the TV closely. I saw their smiles fade very slowly as the votes came in. Beer-guzzling turned to arguing over his chances of winning. I left to do homework. Came back later to friends crying in the house and randos rioting in the streets, and I knew he had won somehow. And now they're calling our president a Nazi, just like all the Obama-haters did in 2008. Pathetic.

Next time, Democrats, realize that Trump voters do exist. Don't dismiss them as a bunch of idiots who don't deserve representation like Romney did with the Democrats in 2012; it looks pretentious. And put up a candidate who isn't terrible. That's the only way to win an election. You know you messed up your strategy when someone like Trump wins. (I say this thinking Trump won't do a good job, but I'm still unsure myself.)

Completely agree with you.

I learned in the UK to treat all candidates and votes with a genuine view they could win it, after the conservative win, according to 'opinion polls' they was not going to win and boom they did, opinion polls omit people lying, there are people who repeat the popular rhetoric for fear of being alienated but vote against the grain.

You should of seen Brexit (I was remain), our remain campaign treated it as a done deal; as only the 'stupid, uneducated, racists' would vote to leave and let's not forget the veiled threats by corporations including 'banks'. Add in some usual election promises (lies) and the opposition created a united base, this base were so used to being brow beaten or insulted they had a thicker skin and no longer cared how they were deemed, this makes them harder to debate with but more importantly very driven.
 
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So Tim will himself no longer, buy any personal products for himself or his family that are not made from renewable s?

Or, if we are honest, will just says this, but in his personal life, he does not care, and would buy what he wants, and would fight anyone telling him what he can and can't have.
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A very sad day for our beautiful country and the world. May people will needlessly suffer as a result of this irrational action by president Trump. Many people will suffer.

In many ways I am glad that I am near 80 and will not live to see the troubled times to come, but my grandchildren and my great grandchildren will. Very sad.

Why be sad?

Perhaps they will be able to live a comfortable live with a nice climate in areas that are now inhabitable and a frozen barren wasteland.

Just who decided the current land/sea/ice areas on the planet are how they are supposed to be?
Why is NOW right?

The concept of "what's right the the planet" and "the planet is suffering" ect are just hilarious bizarre views.

That is the same as saying yellow paint will suffer if you put some blue in it.
Yellow paint does not care, it's just paint.
The earth does not care, it's just a ball of rock in space.
 
trump is right. we don't know who is actually getting $400 billion dollars. thats too much money. its time to stop American citizens from paying for everything

Well actually we do, don't we? Think Trump does it too and thats why he gives them the finger. Organised crime will get it, the mafiosis that designed the system. Think Al Gore is one of the owners of the privately owned exchange that will trade in emission fees.

The Paris Accord was never about the environment, it was about enhancing the power of the global oligarchy.

Gratz, you are a critical thinker.

This is not politics.

Nope it's called racketeering.

Yes, global warming is an issue that only the globalists care about

The whole concept that those that have the means to eradicate human poverty, give all humans access to clean water and food and (hopefully) non-liberal education really care about humanity is hilarious. A handfull of the most rich people in the world could do it and still live in their mansions with more money to spend that would be practically possible. Why don't they do that if they care so much?

/kek (i.e. lol in wow)
 
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Apple has the capital, influence and power to actually fix much of this world.

But, keep making those watch bands, Tim.

They are investing money on the environment... What a stupid comment.
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While I may not disagree with Cook's take on the Paris Accord, I do think he's being hypocritical by making computers that get harder and harder to repair and are impossible to upgrade (and thus extend their useful life), but criticizing others for not being green. And yes, I know about all of Apple's green initiatives....

...then why are you moaning? They recycle their computers, even if you can't open them up and add more RAM in.
 
Jesus this dude should resign

We get it Tim you're a proud globalist

Indeed. Only globalists and leftists believe that pollution travels around the world. All you have to do is declare a travel ban on pollution and it will stop at the border. It's obvious.

Science is a hoax invented by globalists and commies. If you wanna fly, just stop believing in gravity.
Also the earth is only a globe because globalists declared it so. It's not a globe, It's flat.

Duh.
 
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Historical perspective:

The foundational agreement that lead to the EU (European Union) as it is today started out under the guise of the European Coal & Steel Community.

Now look at the EU today... it's far from pretty.

I'd say you've dodged a curve ball of epic proportions.
 
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It's disgraceful that this issue is even considered "politics," that some are so wilfully blind as to think the long term well being of our species and our planet is just another issue that can be debated back and forth and used as a political cudgel, as if the science isn't clear and the dangers aren't real.

It's a true embarrassment that not everyone is behind doing anything and everything we can do, as the richest and most powerful nation in the world. Even more shameful is how Paris was just a tiny first step, and we couldn't even make that.

It's power play. You don't understand the world stage. You don't understand Globalism. You don't understand the left. You seem to be clueless to the means of subterfuge. You don't understand politics. This is merely a critique and you can change this if you want. My point is you are approaching it from an highly emotive position. To do this leaves you open to much manipulation and therfore open to making really poor assessments due to being open to handling compromised information without detection. So you can't even grasp the actual power grab that such a deal represents. Here's a clue, how do you swipe the planets resource from under the noses of covering nations and their people?

Trump comes along as a usurping force and totally disrupts the status quo. This happens form time to time and is typically of power plays over time.

It's just that so much has been staged managed the last decade or more where even politics has been reduced to platitudes of the warm and fuzzy variety to the point it has no capacity to do anything meaningful and people see this and relate it directly to the real destruction and collapse in their standards of living, while they are told by the same political players that the world problems are their fault and they should feel guilty.

You should start to see similarities to other system of control form the recent past. However I'll let you think about it and see if you can spot them as I wouldn't want to spoon feed. That's the method employed by the globalist left.
 
This is the saddest day in American
politics since the assassination of MLK. If you don't think that, I doubt your sanity.

The human race will probably be extinct in 100 years because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and indeed climate change. These days there is only a focus on climate change but if the other aspects are not treated equally the only effect will be more overpopulation as the more we save on energy, the more that can be used to fuel population growth as oil will be pumped and burned regardless if we buy it or not.

Same with the green revolution 60 years back, it would eradicate hunger in the world but it's only effect was an extreme population growth that is now biting us in the butt. This climate change BS will do exactly the same, i'm not saying it's not important but the problem is much more complex than climate change alone.

"Humans will be extinct in 100 years says eminent scientist"
https://phys.org/news/2010-06-humans-extinct-years-eminent-scientist.html
 
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Why be sad?

Perhaps they will be able to live a comfortable live with a nice climate in areas that are now inhabitable and a frozen barren wasteland.

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Also, if the air becomes so polluted it's unbreathable, just sell them gas masks. And making gas maks is good for the economy. Therefore pollution is good for humanity.
It's so obvious I don't understand why these globalist oligarchic commies don't get it.

It's probably all that time spent in school. Education is bad for the brain. Trump gets it, that's why he chose to be so uneducated.

Stop going to school guys ! Soon you'll start believing in science and all that "the earth is round " crap...
 
I always chuckle when you guys say things like this. You conservatives are against education and in shows in all your low brow posts.
I agree, "in does show in all our posts".
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Like the 8-10 Trillion dollar wars we've been waging, right? I'd consider that to be too much money, lol.
Is Trump waging any wars right now? I believe Trump thinks they are too expensive as well.
 
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It's power play. You don't understand the world stage. You don't understand Globalism. You don't understand the left. You seem to be clueless to the means of subterfuge. You don't understand politics. This is merely a critique and you can change this if you want. My point is you are approaching it from an highly emotive position. To do this leaves you open to much manipulation and therfore open to making really poor assessments due to being open to handling compromised information without detection. So you can't even grasp the actual power grab that such a deal represents. Here's a clue, how do you swipe the planets resource from under the noses of covering nations and their people?

Trump comes along as a usurping force and totally disrupts the status quo. This happens form time to time and is typically of power plays over time.

It's just that so much has been staged managed the last decade or more where even politics has been reduced to platitudes of the warm and fuzzy variety to the point it has no capacity to do anything meaningful and people see this and relate it directly to the real destruction and collapse in their standards of living, while they are told by the same political players that the world problems are their fault and they should feel guilty.

You should start to see similarities to other system of control form the recent past. However I'll let you think about it and see if you can spot them as I wouldn't want to spoon feed. That's the method employed by the globalist left.

Right. And only Syria and Nicaragua ( and Trump ) are intelligent enough to be able to see into this conspiracy. Because all the other countries on the planet are "globalists".
 
I wonder if the Paris Agreement is really understood by some of the loudest critics of this move.
 
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"Humans will be extinct in 100 years says eminent scientist"
https://phys.org/news/2010-06-humans-extinct-years-eminent-scientist.html

Yes, but Trump believes that all scientists are oligarchic communist globalists. Therefore science is wrong and he is right.
And the proof that he is right is that he is rich. If you're not rich , you're not intelligent ( he actually said that). And most scientists are not rich, therefore scientists are less intelligent that Trump.

That's why you people can't grasp the powerful meaning of covfefe.
 
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Right. And only Syria and Nicaragua ( and Trump ) are intelligent enough to be able to see into this conspiracy. Because all the other countries on the planet are "globalists".
I think more than likely it's that those who signed on saw ways to lined certain pockets. That's all.
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I wonder if the Paris Agreement is really understood by some of the loudest critics of this move.
Or it's supporters?
 
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Right. And only Syria and Nicaragua ( and Trump ) are intelligent enough to be able to see into this conspiracy. Because all the other countries on the planet are "globalists".

A good portion of the nations that are 'on the list' are there because they put very little into the till or they are actually there to take the money out of the till. It's misleading to think because a country is in on this that it's pulling its fair share.

Doing the right thing doesn't require an agreement like that, if everyone is interested in renewable energies and cleaner environments then they should put the money that was going into the Paris Agreement and invest it into their infrastructure.
 
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