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We'd have to attack climate change from all angles. Solar, Wind, Nuclear, life style changes, and transportation infrastructure changes.
That's true but the simple solution to stopping CO2 emissions fast is to go nuclear big time. If we are going to say that's the leading cause of climate change (which many seem to agree on) then the obvious solution is more nuclear now while investing in solar and other renewables long term. I'm tired of seeing the nonstop talk of moving to solar to cut CO2. Solar can not completely replace fossil fuels within a decade but nuclear can. Why we aren't going big on nuclear makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
I'm not angry about anything. I'm a realist. I know the Paris agreement is a meaningless piece of wealth distribution disguised as a way to save the climate because "who could be against that?!"

I want to do away with all fossil fuels and I recognize and accept that the ONLY way to do that is to push nuclear in a big way. Pretending this Paris accord was going to save the world and acting like now we are dooming everyone on earth to an early death is ridiculous. Based on a lot of comments here and on Reddit there a more people being driven by anger over an issue they absolutely do not understand.

This so called "issue" is just the same bunch of bafoons who cried when trump got voted as president. Same bunch of losers who whine about every damn thing on the news and every single one of them looking for ways to impeach trump. A bunch of 5 year olds who are rolling around on the ground wailing out loud.
 
This so called "issue" is just the same bunch of bafoons who cried when trump got voted as president. Same bunch of losers who whine about every damn thing on the news and every single one of them looking for ways to impeach trump. A bunch of 5 year olds who are rolling around on the ground wailing out loud.
I mean I pretty much hate Donald Trump. He is a con man and a loser of a person overall with a horrible personality but that doesn't change the fact that the Paris agreement wasn't about climate change and the millions of people freaking out about this are all idiots or people trying to sway public opinion so guys like Elon Musk can make more money.
 
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The whole concept that those that have the means to eradicate human poverty, give all humans access to clean water and food and (hopefully) non-liberal education really care about humanity is hilarious. A handfull of the most rich people in the world could do it and still live in their mansions with more money to spend that would be practically possible. Why don't they do that if they care so much?

/kek (i.e. lol in wow)

Because it's more fun to keep the little people in their place.
 
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Except that Apple makes some of the greenest products and most Apple products have the longest useful like in their respective categories. They've already been using green energy etc...but you all and the rest of the MacRumors conservatives complained made these changes. Now you want to make the claim that someone else is a hypocrite who won't put their money where their mouth is.

Secondly, the rich can't stay rich by simply surviving climate changes. The rich need people to sell products to in order to stay rich. They need people who will do the work of building the products etc.... Suddenly it's in their financial interest to clean up the climate because that is the most profitable thing to do.

You'd think the poor conservatives would like to save money on gas as a result of better fuel efficiency. You'd think poor conservatives would like to take one of those high paying green jobs. Nope they just sit around pointing fingers making excuses for why they refuse to become contributing members of society.


The biggest losers are the American people. Our automobiles aren't wanted anywhere outside the USA. Even in the states no one wants to own a domestic car brand. Perhaps due to the declining quality and design - you can argue that. But the reality is every company doesn't want to talk about the #1 polluter - CHINA. Because they all have deals in that country especially apple. I know apple is leading on green products but think about how it's all made and where it's made. It can never be made here because in the USA we value lives and have regulations - tons of regulations on safety and regulations against hazardous materials.

Apple can't save the planet nor should they - but their CEO should shuTFU because he's not in the position to say anything. Run your own business first and foremost. Your agenda isn't saving the planet and my idea is if he is so hot shet for saving the planet, form your party to tackle "climate issues". I'm sure he has tons of connections. Don't expect broke ass USA to pay for anything. Trillions in debt doesn't mean we should be more in debt. Most other countries are smart to not speak up because all they do is leech. China is the smartest because they always stay quiet; they are making money hand over fist and why would they want to stir trouble. They are the biggest country to take part in destroying the planet. Like I said the SMOG doesn't come from the USA.
 
This is the saddest day in American politics since the assassination of MLK. If you don't think that, I doubt your sanity.
it's not just you, but well over 80 that liked your post that seriously worry me if you see it that way , pulling out of a scam is equivalent to the day MLK was assassinated

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I don't care about a global climate issue - what I'm really concerned is the extreme amount of plastics and garbage. Nearly all the plastics and wastes are dumped and end up floating in the water. You have China being #1 and will scale up within the next decade. Look up "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" - let's all focus on REAL problems like these instead of weather problems because your weather forecasters can't even predict the weather correctly within 3 days let alone 30 years.

All of these companies have some sort of financial investment or else why would they all cry about this. The USA isn't rich either look at the trillions in debt and the money in this stupid Paris accord will just line the pockets of other nations while these idiots complaining can sleep at night knowing how they "saved" this planet.

China & India are the ones who need to deal with their own problems. The smog in China doesn't come from the USA.

edit: I need to add that as a president of one country, your job is to look after the citizens living in your country first. Their welfare and well being come first. You take care of your own FIRST. That's why the hell I'm proud to be a US Citizen; but as of late, I'm ashamed. You have Hollywood comedians decapitating the President of the United States and showing everyone how mocking this is somehow funny. ISIS groups are just laughing at the USA - their own people don't even respect their own president to the point of holding their president's beheaded head. Right now being a US Citizen is the laughing stock of the world - we can't even manage our own problems yet we want to stand up and be known as some kind of "leader". It's not Trump's fault - it's the fault of these liberal no common sense dumb assses.

Right now the USA is trillions in debt and you take out your wallet to do what??? This is exactly the same mentality of people who buy apple products - can't afford them but will finance them going in debt for the "prestige" of owning something material.
I'm digressing....
I have never financed an Apple product.

The liberals are the ones paying the bills. If conservatives contribute instead of complain then we'll be in less debt or out of debt completely. Nope, that makes too much sense.

Instead the states and people who contribute the least have the most say on matters they don't know anything about and they refuse to trust the experts who've spent their lives studying the subject of weather, climate and green energy etc...

Maybe they just need to take a step back and worry about why they aren't contributing enough to at least sustain themselves rather than taking liberal money. I think thats what they need to figure out. Figure out why they won't train for the currently available jobs or the future jobs?
 
Has earth's climate been effected by human CO emissions in the last 100 years? Yeah, most likely, a bit.

Has earth's climate fluctuated radically over the past several billion years without any help from humans? Yes, a lot, and relatively quite frequently.

Should we, as residents of the earth, make an effort to maintain or stabilize the earth's natural climate fluctuations, for the sake of our own self-preservation? Probably a good idea.

Does the Paris Accord do much to that end? Nope.

Was the Paris Accord, on the whole, "bad" for America? From my understanding thus far, I believe so.

Does that mean companies shouldn't still make an effort to reduce their carbon footprint? Not at all, and us not being in the Paris Accord doesn't change that one bit.

Is Tim Cooks statement largely PR and pandering to Apple's large base of urban hipster do-gooders? Absolutely, and that's what you expect a company to do, pander to their core demographic.

Trump believes he is doing right by America, and Cook believes he is doing right by Apple. Move on and let them both do their jobs... IMHO.
 
All third world countries will take the cheapest easiest (and almost always dirtiest) path to raise itself up. It's their ONLY option in trying to catch up. If there was a cheaper cleaner option then that would be chosen. It's only after they reach a certain level that they have the luxury of "clean". Redistributing money to solve this won't work because there's not enough money to give every (or even a few of the biggest polluters) third world country to reach that level. Not to mention the reality/inforcement of using the money wisely for its intended purpose.
 
Good luck getting the public to accept nuclear power. The word "nuclear" scares people.

Actually the word "NUCULAR" from former Presidents Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush scared people far more! :D

The problem with nuclear power is that regulatory agencies have made it prohibitively expensive to build a nuclear power plant in the U.S. and green energy folks simply do not regard it as clean energy even though it has no C02 emissions. There is no chance of making a dime on nuclear unless you can put 2 or more reactors online simultaneously and keep them going continuously. This is why Three Mile Island might be ultimately shut down. The simple cost of maintaining 1 reactor is more expensive than what the energy from that reactor can be sold for on the open market.

The only reason Apple is for the Paris agreement by the way, is that it doesn't affect their bottom line, same with Elon Musk. Apple makes most of its products in China, which is virtually exempt from the Paris agreement! It's easy to preach green energy when it doesn't affect you monetarily.
 
Wow! Nuclear is the answer.
I am sure you have it all figured out:

1. What is the half-life of Uranium 238 isotope required for fission? [Hint: In billion-years.]
2. How long ago did the dinosaur extinction event took place? [Hint: In million-years (three orders of magnitude less)]
3. What is the depth of the lithosphere crust? [Hint: In 10s of miles]
4. How and Where are you going to store safely the concentration of spent Uranium ore, protected from unavoidable natural catastrophes as well as human-made events? [Hint: In miles underground]

And, you say that fissionable nuclear energy is the way forward? Please illuminate us all.

1. Wow, that shows a frightening lack of knowledge for someone with such strong opinions. You seem to think that all forms of radioactivity are created equally.

2. The human body contains short half-life radioisotopes amounting to about 8000 decays/second. Mostly K-40 and C-14 but there are several others. From the wikipedia page on U-238, 1 mole has 3 million decays per second. So 1 gram has 3,000,000 / 238 = 12,605 decays per second.

3. So you personally are as radioactive as about 0.64 grams of U-238. 1.5 million people are as radioactive as a literal ton of U-238. Think of how many people are in the US. Now also realize that all plants and animals in the ecosystem have the same proportion of radioisotopes as people do.

4. How many billions of tons of biomass are in the US?

5. U-238 gives off its radiation in the form of alpha decay. Alpha particles can be stopped by a single sheet of paper.
 
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Then apple needs to ShutTFU. Do you know what runs any country in the world? It's MONEY. Apple may not have the power of executive branch in govt but they have the money to influence. Of course they worry about the bottom line which is money that's why you see their profit margins increase YoY because that's what they do best so Tim Cook needs to just run his own business or pay for this garbage treaty he sees as so important. What's apple, inc in 30 years if there is no planet left?

Freedom of speech so they can say whatever they want. Also there are so many things to fight for and different ways to do so. Apple has Product Red and they bought acres of forest land to preserve and reuse for their packaging.

I'm not trying to be offensive towards you in particular but I'm sick of having to take care of other countries while my own country can't even take care of me.

And I'm sick and tired of domestic spending being gutted so the rich can get richer. Healthcare, schools, police, firefighters, roads/transportation, social programs, renewable energy, etc.
 
What I don't understand is this coal/oil vs renewables line of thought. It's not an either/or sort of thing. The US can and does make use of varied energy infrastructure. We already do have a head start. But a transition isn't going to happen over night, and contrary to popular belief you do actually need sources like coal to make steel, or oil for heavy machinery and any number of consumer products. Coal and oil use will likely never be totally reduced to zero.

You're from the UK and I'll give you a pass for thinking there were no financial implications that would be imposed upon us Americans. True to form and like most global deals and agreements, we, the American taxpayers, would have shouldered the burden of having to pay billions to other nations. We're not made of money. To be frank, I'd like to see our tax money spent on our country, not yours or anyone else's.

I don't believe the US spends any money on the UK. The US does spend around 0.18% of their GDP on foreign aid, which has always been considered a good thing. The US helps a lot of nations around the planet which in turn buy and support America. I agree with looking inwards before outwards, however economies are global in the 21st century, every major corporation operates globally, and America is a leader in that field. The US have extended their capitalist beginnings into a global competitive market, which in turn benefits Americans first and foremost.

Anyway I'm not getting into a political debate as a foreigner, I am merely speaking as an individual. Just because I am from the UK does in no way mean I represent nor align myself with the UK government. We're all citizens of this planet first and foremost, my government does not speak for me so I was only showing support.

P.s. US pledged $3b to the global fund, the UK has pledged £5.8b. The UK as a nation are nowhere near as wealthy as the US.
 
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I'm always amazed by the high number of right wing nutjobs here... you can deny climate change all you want, or think Trump is right for this, but if any of you have kids, they're going to inherit a ******** world because we weren't better. That's what's sad.


I'm more amazed by the left wing nut jobs here - a better world for kids is a good thing and will require REAL SOLUTIONS, not crap like the Paris Accord.
 
it's not just you, but well over 80 that liked your post that seriously worry me if you see it that way , pulling out of a scam is equivalent to the day MLK was assassinated

I suppose they're equivalent in the sense that millions of ignorant fools cheered for both.
 
That's true but the simple solution to stopping CO2 emissions fast is to go nuclear big time. If we are going to say that's the leading cause of climate change (which many seem to agree on) then the obvious solution is more nuclear now while investing in solar and other renewables long term. I'm tired of seeing the nonstop talk of moving to solar to cut CO2. Solar can not completely replace fossil fuels within a decade but nuclear can. Why we aren't going big on nuclear makes absolutely no sense to me.
Are you even remotely aware of the emissions released in mining for nuclear material (to be transported and processed)?

I get that the likes of the Heritage Foundation are renewing their push for nuclear big time, my question is why has a new generation of people decided to listen to them? It's ****ing nonsense.
 
I don't believe the US spends any money on the UK. The US does spend around 0.18% of their GDP on foreign aid, which has always been considered a good thing. The US helps a lot of nations around the planet which in turn buy and support America. I agree with looking inwards before outwards, however economies are global in the 21st century, every major corporation operates globally, and America is a leader in that field. The US have extended their capitalist beginnings into a global competitive market, which in turn benefits Americans first and foremost.

Anyway I'm not getting into a political debate as a foreigner, I am merely speaking as an individual. Just because I am from the UK does in no way mean I represent nor align myself with the UK government. We're all citizens of this planet first and foremost, my government does not speak for me so I was only showing support.

Wasn't meaning to come across as hostile. I must say that your observation of our political situation here in the states was pretty spot on. There's a severe case of 'Us vs You' going on between the left and right / liberals and conservatives / Democrats and Republicans.
 
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Are you even remotely aware of the emissions released in mining for nuclear material (to be transported and processed)?

Actually I'm not, so please enlighten me. How much carbon is released in mining and transporting enough nuclear material to produce 1TWh of electricity.

And to compare, how much carbon is released when you produce 1TWh of electricity through mountaintop removal coal mining? How much carbon is released in the energy expenditure to pulverize a mountain into gravel? Then how much is produced to transport the coal which is much bulkier than nuclear fuel? Then how much is produced actually burning the coal to produce electricity?
 
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The biggest losers are the American people. Our automobiles aren't wanted anywhere outside the USA. Even in the states no one wants to own a domestic car brand. Perhaps due to the declining quality and design - you can argue that. But the reality is every company doesn't want to talk about the #1 polluter - CHINA. Because they all have deals in that country especially apple. I know apple is leading on green products but think about how it's all made and where it's made. It can never be made here because in the USA we value lives and have regulations - tons of regulations on safety and regulations against hazardous materials.

Apple can't save the planet nor should they - but their CEO should shuTFU because he's not in the position to say anything. Run your own business first and foremost. Your agenda isn't saving the planet and my idea is if he is so hot shet for saving the planet, form your party to tackle "climate issues". I'm sure he has tons of connections. Don't expect broke ass USA to pay for anything. Trillions in debt doesn't mean we should be more in debt. Most other countries are smart to not speak up because all they do is leech. China is the smartest because they always stay quiet; they are making money hand over fist and why would they want to stir trouble. They are the biggest country to take part in destroying the planet. Like I said the SMOG doesn't come from the USA.
American people are the biggest loser now that Trump backed out of the climate agreement. Ford is the #1 carmaker in the world. Thanks to liberals bailing out Ford. China is actually investing hundreds of billions of dollars and has only recently become the #1 polluter. Before China, we in the US were the #1 polluter. We are next in line as it relates to pollution and waste.

The minute China gets green manufacturing up and running there is almost no chance of ever getting manufacturing jobs back into the USA. The USA should be much further along on green energy and green manufacturing.

Conservatives complain but don't contribute. They complain about not having any jobs or any money in one breathe and in the other say they don't want other people leeching off of them. There is no way for anyone to leech off of conservatives because they are nothing but a bunch of nagging deadbeats. In the US the deadbeat conservative states don't pay for anything. They don't have any money. They don't pay any taxes. Nope. They can't be counted on for anything other than hating people who are different from them or don't live the way they do.

They leech from those awful spend thrift liberals states...never mind the fact that they are directly responsible for the Trillion dollar debt they claim they want to cut off. Maybe they should avoid filling out the mountain of forms and paperwork you have to fill out to get Obamacare, Welfare and Food Stamps first.

Apple, as the most profitable company in the world, can influence and have already influenced what the rest of the world does.
 
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American people aren't the biggest loser now that Trump backed out of the climate agreement. Ford is the #1 carmaker in the world. Thanks to liberals bailing out Ford. China is actually investing hundreds of billions of dollars and has only recently become the #1 polluter. Before China, we in the US were the #1 polluter. We are next in line as it relates to pollution and waste.

The minute China gets green manufacturing up and running there is almost no chance of ever getting manufacturing jobs back into the USA. The USA should be much further along on green energy and green manufacturing.

Conservatives complain but don't contribute. They complain about not having any jobs or any money in one breathe and in the other say they don't want other people leeching off of them. There is no way for anyone to leech off of conservatives because they are nothing but a bunch of nagging deadbeats. In the US the deadbeat conservative states don't pay for anything. They don't have any money. They don't pay any taxes. Nope. They can't be counted on for anything other than hating people who are different from them or don't live the way they do.

They leech from those awful spend thrift liberals states...never mind the fact that they are directly responsible for the debt they claim they want to cut off. Maybe they should avoid filling out the mountain of forms and paperwork you have to fill out to get Obamacare, Welfare and Food Stamps first.

Apple as the most profitable company in the world can influence and have already influenced what the rest of the world does.
same apple that build products in the country that pollutes the most?
 
same apple that build products in the country that pollutes the most?
But China has vowed to clean up by signing onto the agreement and they've made tangible investments in going green. Apple also has them building greener products.
 
Are you even remotely aware of the emissions released in mining for nuclear material (to be transported and processed)?

I get that the likes of the Heritage Foundation are renewing their push for nuclear big time, my question is why has a new generation of people decided to listen to them? It's ****ing nonsense.

Are you aware those emissions would pale in comparison to the amount produced with our current energy sources? Come on dude nuclear is the solution.
 
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