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All part of shipping MORE of our jobs to China, India, etc.

Lets get out and stay out. Regulations are killing this country. No surprise the large companies want to stay in - more protection for them through regulation!

MAGA!


I'm afraid that pulling out will only increase costs of products. We don't have the skill set in this nation to open large scale chip foundaries: at that we don't even HAVE large scale chip foundaries.

To do so would require *Tadaaaa* regulation to force products sold in the United States to be made and sourced in the United States.

It would require *TADA* regulation to ensure schools train kids to be ready for tech-producing jobs.

Know what is a HUGE industry right now? Renewables. Know how to ensure the United States economy stays relevant and competitive in a globalized world?

Jobs. Jobs in renewables. Jobs in industries which produce the components for those renewables. Encouraging wind farms to use US steel to revitalize the Midwest and eastern Midwest.

From taconite from Minnesota to copper from Michigan to steel foundaries in Pennsylvania which will still rely on coal from West Virginia to build that steel.

All while building that education roadmap to ensure our nation is ready for a services-based and tech-manufacturing economy so when Minnesota runs out of taconite and Michigan runs out of copper and West Virginia runs out of coal we are ready.

We and the economy will then be ready for a closed-loop production cycle. We will be energy independent.

We will not rely on the Middle East for oil, for Russia for natural gas, for Canada for lumber, for Mexico for producing autos, for China to build our electronics, for Japan to design our OLED TVs.

By COMBINING the ideas and ideals of the "Snowflake Left" and "Snowflake Right" you get such a beautiful, productive, job-producing America-First Blizzard of Productivity that will revitalize the economy like the 1950s.

It will not happen overnight or even in one or two presidential terms. We need to thing 20 years.

And that's how we, together, all of us working together toward a common goal: the future of our nation, our planet and our children Make America Great Again.
 
Get out. @Potus and @TimCook

Trump needs to do what he needs to do (not stay in the pact) and Tim Cook needs to focus on next week's keynote and less on the president. Smfh.

Trump needs to stay in the pact. Global warming is dangerous for America and business.

We need more and stronger regulations to control dangerous corporations that decide profit is more important than environment.

A good way to do that is to limit the rights and freedoms of corporations by staying in the Paris climate accord.

The more government regulations, the better.
 
Here is a better idea. Since only the Senate makes treaties and not the president - instead of just jumping in or out like Obama, send it to the Senate and they can decide. The previous accord went down 99-0 in the Senate. Maybe this one will do better, maybe the same, but that is the mechanism we use for treaties in the US, not the random whims of one man.

Obama should have sent it to the Senate, but he did not, so Trump can either behave like Obama and decide as one man, or he can send it to the Senate.
 
All part of shipping MORE of our jobs to China, India, etc.

Lets get out and stay out. Regulations are killing this country. No surprise the large companies want to stay in - more protection for them through regulation!

MAGA!

It's better that we send our factory jobs overseas, since America is too destructive for the environment.

I, and most people, would much rather buy a product made in China that follows global warming regulations, than a product made in America that ignores global warming regulations.

Let's fire the Americans that work for companies that don't follow global warming regulations.
 
but Trump is expected to withdraw on the grounds that the accord would harm the economy and impact job creation in areas like Appalachia and the West.
This is pretty funny. Not funny ha-ha, but funny-what-the-ever-lovin-hell-is-the-Orange-Covfefe-talking-about kind of funny. He already blew coal smoke up the butts of his constituents in the Appalachia area. Coal jobs aren't coming back. They never were. That region is going to be the new home of fracking since the old home, out West, seems to have issues keeping the ground from quaking.:rolleyes: That dude is stupid and dangerous.
 
No proof of man-made climate change. Plenty of evidence without tampering with data to suggest there is no man-made change.

If we are going to invoke economic policy that has the potential to make US products expensive and uncompetitive, it better be solid.

Musk has a vested interest in perpetuating the climate myth, does Apple need justification for all the solar and biomass? I think not. A private corporation can do what they want.

I personally think solar power is really cool and fascinating, just don't want the government mandating it.
 
Trump needs to stay in the pact. Global warming is dangerous for America and business.

We need more and stronger regulations to control dangerous corporations that decide profit is more important than environment.

A good way to do that is to limit the rights and freedoms of corporations by staying in the Paris climate accord.

The more government regulations, the better.
No.
 
No proof of man-made climate change. Plenty of evidence without tampering with data to suggest there is no man-made change.

If we are going to invoke economic policy that has the potential to make US products expensive and uncompetitive, it better be solid.

Musk has a vested interest in perpetuating the climate myth, does Apple need justification for all the solar and biomass? I think not. A private corporation can do what they want.

I personally think solar power is really cool and fascinating, just don't want the government mandating it.

Are you a scientist?

What research have you published to draw this conclusion?
 
Exactly this attitude left the US in the mess it is in right now. "He's got to do what he's got to do" is not a very convincing motto.
(Just for the record: Could you explain why he has to withdraw from the climate deal?)
Use some critical thinking skills, and actually read into the article and you'll understand why.
 
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Sorry, but more important things to do than be apart of this "PACT". Even if all countries in the Pact did exactly what they were told/agreed the temperature of the earth would only drop a half-a-degree (heard on the radio) in 80-years.

Also, just because we drop it... doesn't mean the US is just gonna pump pollution left and right, up and down into the atmosphere. Why do we need to be apart of a pact? Most likely those countries are ripping us off anyways like other organizations we share with them... *Ahem NATO*.

I'd rather worry about the NOW then the potentially that really we have no idea which way it will go. The earth decides, we do not. If it doesn't want us anymore, then it will get rid of us.
 
Yeah right, because it costs them soooooo much to build their new products. And it's not like they have hundreds of billions of dollars in cash just sitting there. :rolleyes:

The cost of a product is not just the cost of its components. It includes:
  • The overhead for research and development, design and testing.
  • Manufacturing costs and contractual agreements with vendors
  • Transport of parts to the final assembly location
  • Transport of parts to stores.
  • The costs of agreements with stores.
  • The costs for running their own stores.
  • The labor costs from everything mentioned above to administrative costs along with benefits costs to those employees who design great products.
The cost is not a simple thing.


To have billions in the bank is great for Apple. It is a security blanket in case of a poor economy and will continue to allow them to research, develop and to innovate.

A lot of companies have billions in the bank but don't make anything but more money for themselves and investors.

Apple makes products which affect the very way our daily lives function. Without Apple innovation I would not be sitting here on my iPhone from my bed from a sick day at work easily tapping out multiple paragraphs.

Their billions are great for effecting positive change (like the closed loop production cycle) and affecting and encouraging other companies to do the same.
 
This is a discussion about global warming, not politics.

Don't bring politics into a discussion about global warming.

I'm not sure if there is sarcasm meant here or not. But having said that....

Global Warming is the ultimate scam. When the elites stop flying private jets to far off places and then hop into fleets of SUVs to get to the venue where they then try to guilt me into giving up my incandescent bulbs for reading lights, then maybe we can talk about it.
 
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Stay out of politics Tim and worry about the keynote next week.
Trump needs to do what he needs to do (not stay in the pact) and Tim Cook needs to focus on next week's keynote and less on the president. Smfh.
In other news, Apple customers urge Tim Cook to focus on Apple.
In yet other news, forum posters some day might realize that Fortune 500 CEOs
- can multitask
- acknowledge that many national positions affect their businesses and take steps to influence those positions
- establish corporate stewardship policies
- know that we and they don't live on an island
- understand that activities other than inhabiting a small room and focusing exclusively on the megahertz of their next chip can still be in the strategic interests of their customers
- patiently recognize that an apparent majority of consumers who post on internet forums are cranky, hard-to-please, shortsighted, narcissistic, and ignorant or indifferent about all of the guiding principles of the company that supplies their coveted gadgets
 
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I think we can all agree that more government regulations is a better government.

Nobody wants to be like middle-America/Somalia where the economy is weak.

Everyone wants a big-government liberal society like California or New York, where the economy is strong.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not... big government is not the answer. Never is. Never will be.
 
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